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Forum Post: The Rebel Jesus

Posted 5 years ago on Nov. 22, 2012, 8:05 p.m. EST by GypsyKing (8719)
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[-] 7 points by MaryS (678) 5 years ago

Very pretty. That man can't hit a bad note. I'd like to add, from Films for Action: "What Would Jesus Buy?" http://www.filmsforaction.org/Watch/What_Would_Jesus_Buy/

[-] 5 points by GypsyKing (8719) 5 years ago

Thanks, great link. What would Jesus buy indeed?

[-] 4 points by Nevada1 (5843) 5 years ago

Hello Mary,

Thank you for link.

Hope you and yours enjoy a nice Holiday Season.

Best Regards

[-] 6 points by GypsyKing (8719) 4 years ago

Just re-posting this on Christmas Eve. It kinda says it all.

[-] 3 points by Builder (4202) 4 years ago

Already Christmas here, GK.

Hope you and yours have a great day.

[-] 3 points by GypsyKing (8719) 4 years ago

The same to you, Bulider.

Merry Christmas!!!

[-] 4 points by GypsyKing (8719) 4 years ago

Jesus tried to wake us. His message was "Do not fear death."

Fear and hatred are worse then death. They are the death of the soul, which is worse than the death of the body. That was what he tried to tell us.

"Consider the lilies of the field . . ."

Our hatred, and above all our fear, are what binds us in our self-created cycle of mysery.

Hamlet: "Why then 'tis none to you; for there is nothing either good or bad, but thinking makes it so."

[-] 3 points by therising (6643) 4 years ago

Wow - fantastic lyrics! He nails it.

[-] 2 points by GypsyKing (8719) 4 years ago

It's a really beautiful song.

[-] 3 points by RedDragon (-161) 5 years ago

What I have always found most interesting is that as our world has become increasing more secular we have failed to disengage our music; by and large the verses that emerge from the musical artist embrace both Christianity and the spiritual. This is just as true today as it was of the 60s; what it represents is bold contradiction between the sociopolitical and that which inhabits the emotional subconscious as uplifting.

[-] 6 points by GypsyKing (8719) 5 years ago

Interesting point. We seem to be longing for re-connection to the spiritual, and a retreat from empty, disconnected, materialism.

Perhaps we can find a way, and, at the same time, reconnect reason and spirituality. They are NOT contradictions - NOT mutually exclusive. The truth is out there, it is free, and it resides in us!

[-] 2 points by Middleaged (5140) 4 years ago

Nice post. You know I only found out that Jackson Brown was English this last year. I always felt he spoke to me or for me. He really has at least a small gift in expressing humanity. I don't know enough art words to define better. Hold Out, Hold On.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33314) from Coon Rapids, MN 4 years ago

Here is one for people to consider the reality of:

The Sins Of The Father ( parent? ) will be visited on the son ( child? )

Pollution = air land water - from industrial practices on-going.

[-] 1 points by Middleaged (5140) 4 years ago

I think Jesus would agree on below program of Sameritan help for the Mentally Ill.

Free, Voluntary, Socialized Mental Disease Testing and Evaluation & Treatment. Make it affordable to get mental illness treatment... even treatment for drug & alcohol.

Look at Work Place Shootings. Is there any doubt that the stresses on people are all four 1) Social 2) Economic 3) Mental illness 4) Drugs & Alcohol.

The problem is Mental Health Testing can take up to like a year. It is very expensive. Many people will not seek treatment, evaluations, advice, or even pay for drugs for a mental illness. This is way beyond any stigma from having a mental illness. There are many factors in why people don't take care of themselves or get advice or go find medical evaluations.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33314) from Coon Rapids, MN 4 years ago

Just a thought - on mental health. Could generic behavior/perspective tests be created - along the lines of the national IQ testing ( perhaps incorporated into ) - that looks for how an individual looks at the world and people and other life that is around them.

An IQ test could be used to spot strengths and weakness in an individuals skills/abilities that could help plan proper educational activities/approaches for that individual. Could not the same be approached for good mental health?

[-] 1 points by Middleaged (5140) 4 years ago

well you caught me sort of unable to answer. I shared some personality traits with a friend and learned of the extensive testing he got into. I'm thinking it is very long, probably standardized, you continue testing over weeks, & months, to cover a lot of ground. In the end results will be higher in areas leading to conclusions.

I don't know why if could not be one standardized test. Sounds like a good approach. It probably is proprietary or has some rights like copy rights. (Capitalism) On the other hand, the government has people doing the same testing for military, military dependence, and social work. Should be government owned tests available. But that will cut capitalist out of the big money - so industry will oppose it.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33314) from Coon Rapids, MN 4 years ago

Down with profits over people.

[-] 1 points by Middleaged (5140) 4 years ago

I dont watch news much. Has TV been talking about Mental Health in America? I guess I should look at the news websites and see what is going on today. I guess you have a lot of family here in the USA. You would never go to a foreign country for health care or as a full time resident.

But I got to say I hear some good things about health care outside of the USA. As a foreigner and someone with money, you would be going to the top teir hostpitals. I need some dentist work, and I need a dermatologist. I need to buy a ticket this week.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33314) from Coon Rapids, MN 4 years ago

Mental Health in the USA has become more of a topic - the fact that medical funding/coverage has been systematically reduced over the years - as well as the all too apparent growing need for stress disorder treatments.

Sometimes I think I should go for a vacation to Canada and get ill - perhaps their universal health care/medical system would give me a good once over while I was there.

But all in all I am fortunate to live in the twin cities metro area of Minnesota as we have pretty good health care as far as a national standing anyway.

[-] 1 points by Middleaged (5140) 4 years ago

I suppose there are more and more empires or projects looking for funds. Are you seeing the pie being split by more and more projects? They used to say that Cancer took most of the money for research in Medicine... as drag on Aids Reserch perhaps.

If you look at the Federal Catalog of Subsidies ... the Health And Human Services subsidies has proliferated. Total Subsidies and Total Dollars are grwoing by leaps and bounds. perhaps what you see is some wealth people siphoning off big compensation packages for executives...

I never traced the money though. There are private research and university Hospitals, probably corporations doing research ... I don't know ...anyone can apply for a grant if they can prove they are qualified ....

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33314) from Coon Rapids, MN 4 years ago

Care for the mentally impaired was cut significantly back in the RayGun days. I saw people showing up on the streets that could not properly care for themselves - because the funding for housing them dried-up.

[-] 2 points by Middleaged (5140) 4 years ago

Exactly, Reagan did that I heard. And I think a Governor in Michigan even targeted mental institution for cuts in the 90s.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33314) from Coon Rapids, MN 4 years ago

Yes - mental health has made some forward progress - but has also met with resistance and roadblocks. The ills of society are real and need proper care and treatment or left alone will spread.

[-] 1 points by Middleaged (5140) 4 years ago

When you add it all us. There are no nice guys in government doing good things for you or ...going to war for humanitarian reasons.

All the rights fought for in the 1960s ... but the sorry shape of medicine today, prison system, drugs laws, young black men targeted and sent to prison, union busting, decreased wages, cost of college, cost of medicine ... it all smacks of oppression

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33314) from Coon Rapids, MN 4 years ago

GREED is all pervasive in it's disease of destruction for money/power.

[-] 1 points by Middleaged (5140) 4 years ago

yes, it destroys many men and worst ... I think any of us could be a victim and not even know something happened, who did it, why they did it. It is just evil. And it seemed to have affected teh Church very early. Maybe the Romans were just so dominating, their church dominated also.

Maybe worst still is that we can be hit by greed. We can fall into the traps, many traps are waiting for us.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33314) from Coon Rapids, MN 4 years ago

Yes - recognition of self in others.

[-] 1 points by Middleaged (2021) 0 minutes ago

Oneness. ↥twinkle ↧stinkle permalink

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33314) from Coon Rapids, MN 4 years ago

Proper mental health care and enforcing that no one is above the law ( most especially law makers/enforcers ). Yes - we as individuals and as a society need to feed good fellowship and all healthy values over acquisition. Acquisition is a byproduct - NOT A GOAL. Self-serving needs to be addressed as a wrong perspective - that to have a healthy prosperous life for ones self is to engender it for all.

[-] 1 points by Middleaged (5140) 4 years ago


[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 4 years ago

That was governor Engler, who also helped engineer the attack on unions here.

He was also head of domestic manufacturing under the Bush admin.

A slimy fuck no matter how you cut it.

[-] 2 points by Middleaged (5140) 4 years ago

yeah, he was proud of himself. He had a lot of Conservative support. I actually was like 6 feet away from him as he did a little campaign event. he sort of looked at me to give me a handshake, but I was wearing a green army field jacket. I didn't think he would really want to shake my hand and just looked at him. He was all pumped up with his little event.

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 4 years ago

Be aware that he is still active with ALEC and the teabagge(R)s.

As Bush's chief of domestic production, he oversaw the exodus of millions of good jobs.

Orwellian title, eh?

[-] 2 points by Middleaged (5140) 4 years ago

Yeah, Domestic Outsourcing. We are still waiting for something anything to come out of that office to help domestic production.

No, I never followed him, but someone may have told me in this forum this year. sounds familiar. ALEC, huh. wow. Now that is a picture of a perfect GOPer and Union buster. Neoliberal. Damn, I guess he makes a good case study if you can get enough info. THe corruption of America staring Engler.

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 4 years ago

Did Ron do anything good at all, other than admitting that SS has NOTHING to do with deficits?

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33314) from Coon Rapids, MN 4 years ago

Ronnie Raygun? He was a very popular actor with TPTB. Hand him a script and point him in the desired direction - and off he would go.

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 4 years ago

B actor, but he could read a script with the best of them.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33314) from Coon Rapids, MN 4 years ago

I think that TPTB were too successful as painting him as a Hawk - I believe they scuttled their own plans to invade Iran at that time because they did too good of a PR job. Hostages released - excuse for invasion removed.

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 4 years ago

He held up the hostage release to aid in his election.

Can you say .........TREASON?

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33314) from Coon Rapids, MN 4 years ago

TREASON? Yep - unfortunately it is the name of the game - why we are protesting all around the world. Time for the business of treason to be ended.

[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 4 years ago

Treason was legalized under Nixon.

The precedent was set.

Those committing it, never looked back.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33314) from Coon Rapids, MN 4 years ago

The Health(?) industry - such as Hospitals ( for profit testing and such ) probably hate this kid :

I'm Pretty Sure This Video Of A Kid Freaking Out Is Going To Save Me From Dying Of Cancer

[-] 1 points by Middleaged (5140) 4 years ago

Wow, I really liked that video. But it sounds like our cancer people are not organized. Of course, I don't really know the whole story and might not understand the science that Jack understands....

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33314) from Coon Rapids, MN 4 years ago

Jack seems like one really intelligent kid who got inspired to take a deep look at an issue to see if he could understand the problem of a particular health issue - and by using knowledge already in use - redirected a simple test in an apparent causal relationship to a disease. Amazing what avenues and connections can be made by an interested individual.

There are causal relationships to minute toxins found in food and water that show direct connections to many cancers - but have been deemed not to be an issue due to the low quantities - but then there are studies of synergistic effects of some minute parts per billion content of heavy metals and other things that when they are combined become quite a bit more potent/threatening/poisonous. Compounds found in different products which can be introduced to each other by random chance of diet.

[-] 1 points by Middleaged (5140) 4 years ago

Sort of sounds like Gulf War Syndrome. There was specualtion that Deet, depleted uranium, war dust, smoke from war or oil burning, might have combined... but that was like in the 1990s... I dont' know the current theories.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33314) from Coon Rapids, MN 4 years ago

I am not up to speed on the gulf war syndrome - I know that people have fought for medical coverage/treatment and have been somewhat successful at getting the military/government to recognize and start covering treatments. Always such a hard battle to get proper care for our veterans.

[-] 1 points by Middleaged (5140) 4 years ago

Yeah, usually like 10 years to get VA to admit to injury. Even then the VA and Congress will exclude people like the Red Cross workers, volunteer nurses, or people handling agent orange on an island in the pacific which shows no records of the agent.

Was going to ask you about CODEX the EU/WTO suppliment guidelines that seem to be attached to CAFTA. If they plan to limit suppliments and have prescriptions for suppliments and restrict growing herbs ... wouldn't that be a reason for US people to hold on to their gun rights... I'm just saying... sorry not a joke ... can't even add any humor about this.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33314) from Coon Rapids, MN 4 years ago

It is about greed and control ( nope nothing funny about it ) - it is also why I am surprised at the military take-downs of national leaders deemed to be committing crimes against humanity ( on their own people ). Used to be they "TPTB" supported relocating those criminals to asylum in other countries rather then have them face any sort of justice. Defending their future need of using the same escape route. Is this another ooops moment for them? Setting/enforcing precedent that government is not above the law?

[-] 1 points by Middleaged (5140) 4 years ago

It would appear to be a kind of clean break with an older generation of allies. Normally, the US would set a reputation for taking care of our buddy the tyrant who took our money and did us favors. You want a good reputation of being a good friend to win new friends. But, yes, why would the new Libyan leader want to deal with the USA. Why would the new Egypt leader or Iraqi leader.

So a new strategy must have emerged. I think they call it proxy armies. Rebels in Syria and Libya. Leap Frog us bases around the world for small quick actions. Don't try to take a whole country any more ... try to take over the government or control the people ... or blockade the people, isolate teh people from food, fuel, jobs, ... maybe try to get the people to flee the region (as it happened in Iraq) is a great way to claim land and rights to mine or drill.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33314) from Coon Rapids, MN 4 years ago

Gone is the nice guy - we will protect you for your cooperation - now - don't play ball and we will invade you - one way or another.


[-] 0 points by PublicCurrency (1387) 4 years ago

Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

Rom 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.


[-] 4 points by GypsyKing (8719) 4 years ago

If you have something to say, please say it. I don't know what "Z'at Jesus in 66" means. It is apparently aimed at triggering the emotions of people who share your worldview, whatever that is.

[-] -1 points by rayolite (461) 4 years ago

It means a spirit of justice or love socially expressed, has been sought by rebellion since at least 1966. The image hasn't changed much.

[-] 2 points by GypsyKing (8719) 4 years ago

Did I take your image as sarcasm, when that wasn't the intention? If so I'm sorry.

Why do so manyChristians mock the efforts of the protesters in the 60's, (and those today) who have actually tried to live the message of Jesus? Weird. I've never understood that.

And now I celebrate . . .

[-] 0 points by rayolite (461) 4 years ago

Not sarcasm, rather, irony. The good intent supports love and understanding and are at the core of activism found everywhere, always.

About the time someone noticed people had chosen dogs that had physical similarities to them, we should have noticed that others take on the physical appearance of the spirit that has chosen them.

[-] 0 points by PublicCurrency (1387) 4 years ago

Remember the Pharisees (religious leaders of their day) opposed Jesus and would have killed him many times but they could not. Jesus laid down his life - it was not taken.

[-] 3 points by GypsyKing (8719) 4 years ago

Oh, I forgot. You're the guy the Koch brothers (or fellow travelers) pay to encourage people to back an Article V Convention, so that they can revise the constitution to their own evil blueprint

Merry Christmas.

Yes, even to you, Merry Christmas.

[-] -1 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 4 years ago

You dont think that enough American's would show up to make a serious difference? Article V's would be democracy in it's rawest form.

I guess then, our problem is really with the people, and apathy.

Hmm...sounds like a familiar rallying cry.

[+] -4 points by outlawtumor (-162) 4 years ago

A pagan like you wishes Merry Christmas??

[-] 3 points by GypsyKing (8719) 4 years ago

Pagan? How do you know what I believe? You just need to put everything in some box where you can identify it and then feel superior, without ever making any real effort at comprehension, and especially without ever doing any introspection.

You are motivated by nothing but fear and misunderstanding.

Merry Christmas.

[-] -1 points by outlawtumor (-162) 4 years ago

Again,Merry Christmas and a happy new year.

I guess you're not a Pagan but you are a Leftist. May you find the truth in the new year.