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Forum Post: The reality

Posted 12 years ago on Oct. 6, 2011, 7:39 p.m. EST by The (12)
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The reality is that in capitalistic society the corporations goal is to constantly increase profitability - every quarter the investors look at the results. That lead to lower wages for lower and middle class. Globalization accelerated that process, Multinationals were moving production into low cost countries and then they were selling back to products to the middle class in US. Now we have huge corporate profits, huge executive bonuses and richer supper rich and 9% unemployment and barely surviving "middle" class! What should Government do in this situation?



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[-] 1 points by uzzimike (2) 12 years ago

It's always easier point your finger out and spinning around in circles, blaming everyone except the one person who is truly at fault. Point to yourselves when casting the blame, and use that to change yourself - then perhaps will we all have the power to make a real change.

[-] 1 points by sylvain (7) 12 years ago

Well, government should not be open to the influence. I humbly believe that this organization is at the wrong folks doorsteps, only because of a simple point. What is the purpose of money? Could it be to manipulate one's surroundings to benefit themselves? On a micro and macro level? Wall street is a business. What's wrong with this countries systems is that these corporations are having a direct impact on me. And that friends, are the policy makers faults. You can't blame businesses for trying to manipulate their surroundings but you can blame the people that accept the manipulation. The government should be making a world (because what happens in the US impacts the world) that protects the workers. Instead they simply allow the corporations to have their impact.

[-] 1 points by uzzimike (2) 12 years ago

The reality is that everyone let the 1% run amok for far too long and now there is too much power within the realm of the 1% to bring down. You think peaceful protests will do anything at all? So you think the 1% are just going to relinquish their accumulated power and money because people culminate on the streets for a couple months? We are NOT unified in our cause, and the reality is that perhaps 5% at ABSOLUTE MAX are protesting the 1%. Wake up - this is 1984 and you can do nothing with your peaceful protesting. .

[-] 1 points by shinyheart (27) 12 years ago

The rationale for separation of powers is that the founding fathers didn't trust human nature with a concentration of power. There should be checks upon the power of concentrated wealth.

I suggest three:

  1. Publicly financed elections - cut off Congress' dependence on money to get elected. fixcongressfirst.org

  2. Instant run-off voting, so people aren't scared that they'll be throwing the election to the guy they hate most if they vote for a third party. http://www.tree.org/instant.htm

  3. Tax income and wealth so that no one can make more than ~2 million in income per year. We already did this in the 1950's and it makes perfect sense: http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/festival/2010/10/video-malcolm-gladwell.html

[-] 1 points by The (12) 12 years ago

Absolutely! Tax who? Tax the person that just has donated me $1,000,000 for my campaign? No way! Even worst! Tax person that just donated millions of corporate money that he lead to my campaign? How that sounds to you?

[-] 1 points by rbe (687) 12 years ago

Automation is accelerating the process, maybe more than globalization. Check out this thread: http://occupywallst.org/forum/our-current-system-is-obsolete/

[-] 1 points by The (12) 12 years ago

Automation definitely increase productivity of the society but if that leads to higher living standard and purchasing power for whole society that will lead to larger market for goods and services and maybe to shorter working time non working parent etc. But unfortunately automation lead to lower wages, longer working hours and huge corporate profits! We need redistribution of the profit! Huge profit from Automation or Globalization for US corporations should lead to higher living standard for American people, not the opposite!

[-] 1 points by rbe (687) 12 years ago

Automation is maybe the main reason jobs are being eliminated. That's what I was getting at. The demand for human labor is decreasing. There's a good book on the subject: The Lights in the Tunnel. Here's a link to a pdf if you want to check it out.


[-] 1 points by LibertyFirst (325) 12 years ago

Stop colluding with with the big corporations? Stop appointing people from the big corporations to head the industries they're supposed to be regulating? Stop accepting political contributions from big corporations? Stop allowing corporate lobbying?

Might be a good start.

[-] 1 points by gawdoftruth (3698) from Santa Barbara, CA 12 years ago

the reality is that we don't live in a capitalist society we live in a corporate oligarchy.

[-] 1 points by The (12) 12 years ago

The reality is that Capitalistic society leads to corporate oligarchy! There are many small companies first, then some die, some get acquired and that lead to couple of big corporations that turn into oligarchy that control not only the market but the political system, Congress, Senate, White house etc.! Look at AT&T - what % of cell phone market they control? Or huge banks! They took huge bailout in 2008 and now they say "We need small Government! Take away Frank - Dodd regulations!"

[-] 1 points by gawdoftruth (3698) from Santa Barbara, CA 12 years ago

the reality is that we have never lived in and there has never been capitalism. oligarchy. always been a corporate oligarchy. its not decay- its how its always been.

[-] 1 points by The (12) 12 years ago


[-] 1 points by MyHeartSpits (448) 12 years ago