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Forum Post: The real problem with Assad is...

Posted 1 year ago on May 9, 2013, 12:24 a.m. EST by Shule (1696)
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He's a Socialist, and the capitalist pukes here in the U.S.A. trying to take over the world can't stand it.

OWS is next.

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[-] 3 points by justiceforzim (-17) 1 year ago

Perhaps the better question is, What IS THE WEST' PROBLEM WITH ASSAD?

Syria has been invaded by Western proxy fighters and I have no idea why. Why is it being called a civil war when the bulk of fighters are foreigners?

[-] 3 points by SteadyRock (63) from New York, NY 1 year ago

Few months ago so-called Hezbollah,- political/terrorist organization declare state of war to Al-Qaeda . The Alqaeda organization fights against Assad militans along with Western Powers. Despite western aggression Russia and China propose peaceful solution to Syria, - negotiations table between rebels and Assad. Stop supporting so-called rebels! They are using chemical weapons against Syrian people. Here is another example of violence: http://edition.cnn.com/2013/05/14/world/meast/syria-eaten-heart/

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 2 months ago

the US sells 40% of all international weapons sales

paling russia in second at 18%

[-] 2 points by Shule (1696) 1 year ago

The people calling it a "civil war" is the Western capitalist puke media. The rest of the world knows better.

[-] 1 points by bensdad (8977) 1 year ago

Socialist ??? Clearly, he inherited his job & wiki shows him as a military dictator:
Did he spread the wealth outside of his own Alawite clan?
Sounds like a good old 1% military / bankster thief to me:

By July 2012, according to analysts, Assad had amassed for himself, his family and associates a fortune of perhaps $1.5bn, which is held in Russia, Hong Kong and offshore tax havens to spread the risk of seizure.

Initially seen by the domestic and international community as a potential reformer, this expectation ceased when he ordered a mass crackdown and military sieges on protesters during the Arab Spring, which gave way to the events of the Syrian civil war. The domestic Syrian opposition and large parts of the wider international community have subsequently called for al-Assad's resignation from power { does he have ANY support outside of Iran, China & Russia }

A 2007 law required internet cafes to record all the comments users post on chat forums. Websites such as Wikipedia Arabic, YouTube and Facebook were blocked intermittently between 2008 and February 2011

Human Rights groups, such as Human Rights Watch and Amnesty International, { both capitalist tools } have detailed how Bashar's government and secret police routinely tortured, imprisoned, and killed political opponents, and those who speak out against the government. Since 2006 it expanded the use of travel bans against dissidents. In that regard, Syria is the worst offender among Arab states

To further weaken the old Syrian order in Lebanon, Bashar replaced the long serving de facto Syrian High Commissioner of Lebanon, Ghazi Kanaan, with loyal Assad ally Rustum Ghazali. Under Bashar, Syrian corruption in Lebanon, which was already estimated at $2 billion per year in the 1990s, became more rampant and was publicly exposed with the collapse in 2003 of the Lebanese Al-Madina bank.
Al-Madina was used to launder kickback money in the illegal gaming of the UN's Iraqi oil-for-food programme. Sources put the amount transferred and laundered through al-Madina at more than $1 billion, with a 25 percent commission going to Syrian officials and their Lebanese allies, among the recipients of this money were Bashar Assad's brother Maher, Emile Lahoud's son-in-law Elias Murr, and Ghazali.

In August, Syrian security forces attacked the country's best-known political cartoonist, Ali Farzat, a noted critic of Syria's government and its five-month crackdown on pro-democracy demonstrators and dissent. Relatives of the severely beaten humorist told Western media that the attackers threatened to break Farzat's bones as a warning for him to stop drawing cartoons of government officials, particularly the President, Bashar al-Assad. Ferzat, who recently celebrated his 60th birthday, was hospitalized with fractures in both hands and blunt force trauma to the head.

On 10 January 2012, Assad gave a speech in which he accused the uprising of being plotted by foreign countries and claimed that "victory [was] near". Assad also said that the Arab League, by suspending Syria, revealed that it was no longer Arab.


If this is socialism - no thank you !

[-] 2 points by Shule (1696) 1 year ago

Watch, Should someone manage to topple Assad, they will be worse than Assad.

[-] 1 points by bensdad (8977) 1 year ago

sort of like the Soviet Union.
what is worse - an oppressive thief dictator ?
....................or - a religious fanatic dictator ?

[-] 1 points by orwellian (1) 1 year ago

This is a dumb position. I'm a passionate socialist. I also think Stalin was scum and wouldn't have hesitated to put one between his eyes if I'd had the chance. My namesake agreed. Not all socialists are good, and let me tell you that Assad isn't good.

He's a despot whose family assumed power in the middle of the last century in a wave of Arab Socialist regimes that promised modernization and national unity. They've proved to be authoritarian despots, and bloody ones too. The Syrian people agree, and you're a dumb leftist and not a good one if you'd deny them their chance at freedom through revolution.

Let's just hope that once the dust settles and Assad's out of power it'll be the secular left-wingers and not the Islamists who hold the reins of government.

[-] 2 points by bensdad (8977) 1 year ago

I'll second that motion.
Just because his party's name includes the word "socialist" - so did a group in Germany in the 1930s

[-] 0 points by Shule (1696) 1 year ago

Sure, Assad is no sweetheart. But think of all the despot and belligerent regimes the U.S.A is supporting in the Middle-East now. Think of all the terror and war the U.S.A. has and is creating. Assad is just another one of the bunch, and certainly not the worst of the bunch. So, what makes him different? He is a socialist.

We talk of non-violence as the road to change here in the States, but we are all too quick to drop bombs on foreign countries. Helping people bomb Syria to liberty is doing no favor to the Syrian people.

[-] -1 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

I dont know if it has as much to do with this government views as much as it has to do with little relationships between the power brokers that go bad sometimes. There are much more successful socialist govs out there right now that we have no problem with.

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17440) 1 year ago

The problem with Assad is the alliance with Russia. Syria has notoriously run Lebanon and maintained a relationship with Iran. On the one hand it is a one country issue but that is somewhat deceiving because it is more of a regional issue.

[-] 2 points by Shule (1696) 1 year ago

I'm not so sure Assad is the bad guy here. It is the West that is hell bent on getting rid of him, and has created a war to achieve that end. The war in Syria is not of Assad's choosing.

[-] 2 points by Builder (4202) 1 year ago

Yes, it's quite easy to demonise anyone when you have control of the propaganda machine, and your reporters are actually repeaters, who pass on your information as if it is gospel.

[-] 0 points by GirlFriday (17440) 1 year ago

But, I'm not stating he is the bad guy. I am simply acknowledging what is at work.

[-] 1 points by BradB (2693) from Washington, DC 1 year ago

America is no longer Capitalist... it is Corporatist ....

[-] 3 points by Builder (4202) 1 year ago

It's a line in one of Brad Pitt's latest movie roles; "America is a business, so pay me mofo."

[-] 1 points by Shule (1696) 1 year ago

Yes, Corporate pukes.

[-] 1 points by grapes (2763) 1 year ago

He was a hereditary ruler who was overly heavy-handed against his own people. He is right up to now that he still stays in some meager semblance of power but at what price is it and for what? All I can really say is 'bon appetit' to all of such hereditary rulers when their people's grapes of wrath are served up.

[-] 3 points by Shule (1696) 1 year ago

The reality is that the Syrian people are not the ones fighting Assad, but rather mercenaries brought in and supported from outside the country. There is no "civi war" in Syria. What is happening in Syria is a siege brought on by foreign interests.

[-] 1 points by grapes (2763) 1 year ago

To be fair and truly understand, you must trace back to the beginning of the disturbance -- Assad let peaceably assembled demonstrators and innocent bystanders be brutally suppressed and murdered. There were quite a few women and children in the lot, too. I doubt very much that even babies were raising arms against his regime.

It is true that what is happening now in Syria has a large component of foreign interests involved but it is really the long-term result of escalation and devolution. What was the civilians to do but to pull in foreign help in their fight against the heavily armed regime? For instance, the U.S. had help from France in our quest for independence. Yes, we still have a lot of Lafayette Streets, Lafayette Parks, etc. to commemorate our brotherhood in Liberty with France and it is very fitting that the Statue of Liberty was a gift from France watching over our New York harbor. We will keep the lights on for you, it says.

[-] 1 points by Shule (1696) 1 year ago

Hard to say exactly what the perturbation that started events in Syria really was. Remember, most of the info we get is from the puke media. I don't trust it one bit.

I'm sure Assad is no choir boy. Nobody in the Middle-East who is the leader of a country is. But let us put Assad into perspective. Obama murdered more kiddies and other innocents with his proxy wars wars and drones.

But the truth remains, Syria was on the Pentagon puke regime change list from way long ago, well before we even got into Iraq and Afghanistan. What is happening now in Syria has been planned out in the bowels of Washington some twenty years ago.

[-] 1 points by grapes (2763) 1 year ago

I dislike Obama murdering kiddies and other innocents with his proxy wars and drones but the battles had been brought to U.S. territories (including embassies and diplomatic compounds) so the choice became very obvious if the U.S. populace did not support sustaining any U.S. war casualties incurred by pursuing 'police actions' against terrorists overseas (which was a FAILED policy by the Clinton administration). There are often sovereignty and diplomatic issues involved.

Drones should NOT be used for killing if the host countries can interdict the terrorists by themselves (which sometimes cannot happen) or with U.S. help.

I surmise that Syria was on the change list even longer than some twenty years ago. Remember our marines killed in Beirut. Yes, I am sure that Israel understands why a faction of the U.S. populace may tacitly be clapping its hands behind its back for Israel's attack on Syria's armaments. It is nevertheless very discomforting to others because the chaos resulting from the disintegration of Assad's regime without a powerful and stable moderate replacement can roil the Middle East with repercussions worldwide.

[-] 1 points by Shule (1696) 1 year ago

One needs to ask why is there so much terror action against U.S. interests overseas, and in recent years domestically. What are we doing that makes so many people hate us that much?

[-] 1 points by grapes (2763) 1 year ago

The U.S. meddled with many countries due to its global commercial interests (yes, doing overseas the bidding of the wealthy). Other countries' peoples saw the money flow corrupting their rulers and their laws, pushing their countries into chaos. Sure enough, the U.S. tended to be the gusher of that corrupting influence of money so peoples latched on to the biggest target visible.

In recent years, this meddling also turned inward so domestic terror actions proliferated.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (34865) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

GREED THE #1 CAUSE OF DISEASE/DEATH/DESTRUCTION IN THE WORLD.

[-] 1 points by grapes (2763) 1 year ago

Greed forms a major component of the motivator of most business people so a commercial/technological empire such as the U.S. has ample GREED to share with the world. Greed when properly harnessed can be a powerful source of human progress, too, but that presumes a strong and non-corruptible social framework to contain and channel the Greed. As peoples all around the world had found out repeatedly, letting Greed run amok without strict enforcement of justice is always extremely destructive.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (34865) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

As Greed is a mental illness - those with it should not be allowed to run loose - they should never be away from sane supervision in a safe atmosphere/environment far away from money and it's works. Let them be Greedy at an all you can eat buffet or something.

In an attempt to teach them how to control their Greed - they should be made to eat everything they take before they get more and before they can leave.

[-] 1 points by grapes (2763) 1 year ago

I do not think that it is a good idea to confine those with Greed to an insane asylum isolated from money and its works -- it would be too hard. Can you imagine how many people we have to confine here in the U.S.?

It is better to take a hint from producing reliable communication from message transmission over unreliable channels. We do not need all components of an economic system to be free of Greed to be able to construct the system to be overall free of Greed.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (34865) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

If they are not confined and treated - they should at least never be placed in a position of power or influence. But keeping them away from money and power ( their drugs ) should be done whenever possible.

It IS after all a public safety public health issue.

AS GREED IS THE #1 CAUSE OF DISEASE/DEATH/DESTRUCTION IN THE WORLD.

[-] 1 points by grapes (2763) 1 year ago

Yes, indeed, keeping them away makes sense but identifying who they are would still be a major problem. No one likes to admit that they are Greed reincarnated and there is no good objective measure to determine who is greedy. Allowing Greed to go against Greed while putting in measures to prevent the resulting damages can go a long way towards mitigating the ill effects of Greed in an economic system.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (34865) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

[-] 1 points by grapes (1844) 6 minutes ago

It sounds scary to me. You mean that people have to undergo a brain scan to deal with money and power, really? It concentrates too much power in the ones interpreting the results of the scans.

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AS GREED IS THE #1 CAUSE OF DISEASE/DEATH/DESTRUCTION IN THE WORLD.

Not an occasional death nor even curable disease or minor destruction - But Earth Shattering events 1,000's killed millions killed mountains torn down rivers lakes oceans land and air poisoned - resulting in sky-rocketing cancers.

You don't think this is worth the effort to stop?

No - brain scans will not be enough - but they could be a1st line of defense. Follow-up review observation of activities of business's and government officials leading to expulsion from position or office also necessary.

AS GREED IS THE #1 CAUSE OF DISEASE/DEATH/DESTRUCTION IN THE WORLD.

[-] 1 points by grapes (2763) 1 year ago

Excision from positions of power can work but so can conversion through social power. Cancer can be cured by being cut out but metastasized cancer needs a more systemic cure.

Mucine experiment showed that a patch of cancer can revert to being normal if implanted to young developing embryos. Apparently, the proper inter-cellular communication can convert cancer back to being normal. Perhaps we can do the same with the pervasive Greed infestation without the trauma of systemic excisions also known as purges.

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[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (34865) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

On the contrary - there is mind mapping research that shows that the same portion of the brain lights up when presented with the addicts choice of drug - alcohol Gambling Money etc. Should be easy enough to set up screenings - check-ups.

Allowing Greed to go against Greed while putting in measures to prevent the resulting damages can go a long way towards mitigating the ill effects of Greed in an economic system.

This has never been done before - perhaps attempted - but never successfully. And people suffer and die due to the actions and fallout of GREED.

[-] 1 points by grapes (2763) 1 year ago

It sounds scary to me. You mean that people have to undergo a brain scan to deal with money and power, really? It concentrates too much power in the ones interpreting the results of the scans.

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[-] 1 points by gnomunny (5783) from St Louis, MO 1 year ago

"OWS is next."

Next what?

[-] 1 points by grapes (2763) 1 year ago

'Syria, the horror show, the humanitarian disaster, and the international apathy' coming to a theater near you?

[-] 2 points by gnomunny (5783) from St Louis, MO 1 year ago

Hmmm, could be.

Or OWS is next to feel the wrath of the "capitalist pukes?"

Nah, that can't be. We don't have any vast reserves of oil or precious metals to exploit.

[-] 1 points by Shule (1696) 1 year ago

Yes, but we, OWS that is, are concerned about the average persons welfare. Such anti-capitalist thinking can't be tolerated by the pukes.

That is what the wars in the Middle-east are really all about; to eradicate all socialist and socially beneficial governing and thinking in the world. The 1% are to reign, and the 99% are to slave.

[-] 3 points by gnomunny (5783) from St Louis, MO 1 year ago

"The pukes." I kind of like that. And I definitely agree about the 99% being delegated to servitude. In fact, that's pretty much what's happening here in the States considering we've become a low-wage 'service industry' nation. And as my slavery thread points out, over 20 million people on the planet are already there. The writing is definitely on the wall.

[-] 2 points by Shule (1696) 1 year ago

I read that slavery thread. That is a very too real happening which you bring attention to.

[-] 2 points by gnomunny (5783) from St Louis, MO 1 year ago

It pretty much shows that what's happening here is just an extension of what's been going on around the world for decades, we just didn't know about it here until recently.

The pukes!

[-] 1 points by FreeNakoula (-29) 1 year ago

It has been going on since the beginning of time. Slavery has been around since before Christ.

[-] 3 points by gnomunny (5783) from St Louis, MO 1 year ago

Absolutely true, it's never really went away. "Decades" was a gross understatement.

[-] 1 points by Shule (1696) 1 year ago

We got a break sometime around the 60s. For a moment in time we thought we were moving towards human equality, but then the 1% started asserting themselves again in the 80s.

[-] 1 points by FreeNakoula (-29) 1 year ago

Naw.....slavery just became color blind again

[-] 1 points by Shule (1696) 1 year ago

Good point.

(guess that is why the white trash is so mad these days.)

Gives us ordinary folks reason to stop fighting with one another.

[-] 1 points by grapes (2763) 1 year ago

For you-know-whom, used motor oil and metallic gutters may be valuable enough for EXPLOITATION.

[-] 2 points by gnomunny (5783) from St Louis, MO 1 year ago

Yeah, tell me about it. My copper downspouts were 'exploited' in the middle of the night a few years ago. But in this rare case, Wall Street has been completely exonerated of any wrongdoing.

I think.

[-] 1 points by grapes (2763) 1 year ago

Hey! I have just discovered that there ARE building architectures that do NOT use gutters and still solve the problem of dispersing rain water. OWS people should get a roof like that on a Chinese pagoda -- no gutters.

[-] 3 points by gnomunny (5783) from St Louis, MO 1 year ago

No gutters on Chinese pagodas? I'll have to take a closer look. How do they disperse the rainwater? Are you sure they don't have what's called "inlaid gutters?" You can't tell they're there because they're part of the roof design.

[-] 1 points by grapes (2763) 1 year ago

I really think that many Chinese buildings may not have gutters (inlaid or otherwise) or downspouts made of copper because they are even more valuable targets of 'exploitation' in that rather low-wage exploited country. The pagodas' roofs let rain water fall to the roof of the next level down until it falls to the ground.

[-] 3 points by gnomunny (5783) from St Louis, MO 1 year ago

Interesting. It makes sense with the large overhangs that they may not need gutters or downspouts. Less (or no) damage to the foundation that way.

[-] 1 points by grapes (2763) 1 year ago

It is amazing that some pagodas have withstood the test of time for over a millennium in an earthquake-prone country worshiping the tornado as manifestation of dragon in the sky.

Pagoda architecture can eliminate altogether the target of the capitalist pukes.

[-] 3 points by gnomunny (5783) from St Louis, MO 1 year ago

I've always been a fan of Chinese architecture (and technology). They have a centuries-old temple, five or seven stories tall, hanging on the side of a mountain with a staircase built without a single nail. I know that's not high-tech necessarily, but I still find it fascinating.

[-] 1 points by grapes (2763) 1 year ago

The pagodas' multilevel distribution of water which is often a metaphor for money can avoid large concentrated pools of money that allow the capitalist pukes to manipulate to rip off covertly the fruits of labor of the common people.

[-] 1 points by grapes (2763) 1 year ago

Maybe you should think again more thoroughly why commodities could have gone up so much in price and so many people were reduced to penury that toxic 'wastes' can become attractive to steal. Taking over the world may just mean taking over our toxic 'wastes', too, in the name of exploitation.

[-] -2 points by ZenDog (13696) from South Burlington, VT 2 months ago

right, right

of course

how stupid of me

since of course Assad is a PARAGON of POPULIST DEMOCRACT RULE

right, right

.

[-] -2 points by Shule (1696) 2 months ago

Noam Chomsky is a 1%er agent working undercover. I sure he is a very smart man with many interesting ideas, but I would not trust what he says.