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Forum Post: the real crisis is a crisis of ignorance

Posted 12 years ago on Jan. 9, 2012, 7:54 p.m. EST by fightclub2012 (74)
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[-] 1 points by ChristopherABrown (550) from Santa Barbara, CA 12 years ago

Article V Convention NOW!

Being decieved is one thing, knowing you've been deceived and pretending ignorance, because you are so afraid of truth, so you can avoid acknowledging them is a another matter.

"What kind of fears?" you might ask. I would say, "social fears" which are those unconsciously created by conditioning in our various societies.

"Will they allow those fears to compel their ignorance up to the brink of chaos, maybe beyond before confronting them?" would be the next logical question. I would answer, "Yes, because those using the fears to control and divide people know when it is too late to use truth to unify and recover the US Constitution."

[-] 1 points by LSN45 (535) 12 years ago

Chris - I agree. I think it is going to take a constitutional amendment pushed by the masses. Spread the word!

Here's my 2 cents:

There are a lot of improvements that need to be made. The list of reforms Americans want to see is long and varied depending on who you talk to. That said, I believe there is one reform that would provide the American people the best chances of seeing other meaningful reforms actually happen - that is REAL, loop-hope free CAMPAIGN FINANCE REFORM! I have seen others on this site calling this the "fulcrum" or pivotal issue. Right now the current legalized bribery, pay-to-play system of campaign donations and paid lobbyists has disenfranchised the American voter. Until this is fixed, any other reform the politicians may try to placate us with (be it a change to healthcare, clamping down predatory school loans, new financial regulations, etc.) will be about as effective as a farmer putting a new roof on his CHICKEN COOP, but still letting the FOX guard it.

We need to go back to the original political currency. Instead of the current system of who can collect the most money from corporations and special interests it should be who has the BEST IDEAS to EFFECTIVELY RUN THE COUNTRY (we don't need "Wealth Redistribution," what we need is "Political Influence Redistribution")!

For the sake of our children and future generations of Americans, we need to take back our democracy from the rich and powerful who are using their vast sums of money to "speak" as if they represent millions of Americans. This "Corporate Personhood" that has crept into our laws is allowing them to manipulating our policies in their favor at the expense of the average American (the recent "Citizens United" Supreme Court ruling is a miscarriage of justice and must be reversed. The $50 or $100 a normal American may give to a political campaign becomes meaningless when corporations or other special interests are handing our millions to buy political access to the decision making process.

For decades now the corporations and special interests have had our "representatives" bought and paid for (both on the right and the left). Concentrating our efforts on getting the money out of our politics is the best way we can create an environment in which further reforms can be realized. Until we end the current system of legalized bribery (campaign donations) and paid lobbying our politicians will continue to be the LAP DOGS of the corporations and special interests. What we need first and foremost is real, loop-hole free CAMPAIGN FINANCE REFORM!!!! If the corruption is not dealt with first, the chance of any other meaningful reforms becoming a reality is almost zero - the special interests will just use their money to buy votes and put forward bills that create loop-holes or otherwise twist the law in their favor. If we want our children to live in a country where there vote matters, we need to get the money out of our politics, otherwise they will increasingly become the 21st century version of the "landless peasant." Spread the word - End the LEGALIZED BRIBERY!!! CAMPAIGN FINANCE REFORM needs to be THE main goal of the protests!!!

[-] 1 points by ChristopherABrown (550) from Santa Barbara, CA 12 years ago

Article V convention NOW!

LSN45 wrote:

There are a lot of improvements that need to be made. The list of reforms Americans want to see is long and varied depending on who you talk to. That said, I believe there is one reform that would provide the American people the best chances of seeing other meaningful reforms actually happen - that is REAL, loop-hole free CAMPAIGN FINANCE REFORM! END-----

Yes, lots. I agree, campaign finance reform is primary.

However, and most others promoting vital aspects/inteersts also leave this pout, so do not feel alone; the media stranglehold on the truth must end or democracy cannot be. Democracy depends on opinion, opinion depends on information and information currently comes from the mass media for probably 90% of the population.

For example. Proposals for direct democracy are actually dangerous without this aspect fully covered. Actually, all will eventually fail without because without we have babylon. Currently we are getting close.

That said, Realize that PREPARATORY AMENDMENT for an Article V convention is comprised of first the MEDIA ISSUE, because even without the others fulfilled, if people knew what was going on, they would rise up in any way needed to defend their futures. Eventually the others will come along IF the people prevail.

The second is CAMPAIGN FINANCE REFORM! and with that, is ELECTION SYSTEM REFORM!

Without such things a fully constitutional convention is not possible. Without such things, a constitutional nation is not possible. Examine our current situation to confirm that.

Therefore, the cry is, Prepare for a convention to propose amendments to the constitution where we will first convene to create the environment that is needed to do so constitutionally. Something that we currently do not have. Damm, can you think of a way to shorten that?

[-] 0 points by fightclub2012 (74) 12 years ago

waste of time. this system is done.

[-] 1 points by ChristopherABrown (550) from Santa Barbara, CA 12 years ago

Article 5 Convention NOW!

This system hasn't been constitutional in 150 years, so you'll be giving up that which 90% of the population will support, and turning them into enemies. OWS has a good start on that by not supporting the constitution vocally.

BTW, I not seen one competent alternative proposed . . . anywhere.

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