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Forum Post: The Evidence of SPECIES WIDE BRAIN DAMAGE - The Glitch In Our Evolution & Why Society Is Insane

Posted 6 years ago on Dec. 2, 2011, 3:54 a.m. EST by DiMiTri (134)
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Hello! This is extremely important

I'm posting this hear because i truly love this movement and you all..and i think together we are helping wake up the world. This book has had a huge impact on my life and i think the implications for this theory (and the evidence supporting it) are ginormous. And so i'm just trying to get the word out to people. The book is Left In The Dark, by Tony Wright and Graham Gynn

Here is a free online .pdf he recently put on his website (not sure why theres a massive gap right here suddenly): http://leftinthedark.org.uk/sites/default/files/Left%20in%20the%20Dark%20free%20edition.pdf

If you like what you see try and contribute to the research if you can

Here is a nice summary of the general theory and additional info: http://beyond-belief.org.uk/node/8 http://beyond-belief.org.uk/node/25 http://www.indiegogo.com/Make-up-your-own-mind

my really brief take on it;

Symbiosis proliferates on many many levels of nature.. Terence McKenna once said that "plants evolved animals so they could move their seeds around.." This is literally one of the reasons why fruit (which is literally a womb for the seeds) is how it is: to attract animals to eat it so that they disperse its seeds around the forest floor. This helps ensure the plants survival. This win win situation is largely why the chemicals in food like fruit are so good for us (as we are continually finding now adays), and why they make us feel great to. Just consider this scenario for a moment..

We all know that we originated in Africa where our hairy, big brained, fruit eating cousins still hang..and that throughout a span of tens of millions of years we began incorporating higher amounts of fruit into our diet. We also know food affects brain size ( http://kowb1290.com/diet-affect-brain-size/ ) and that fruit is one of the most, if not the most complex and and nutritious foods on the entire planet. This companionship with fruit was extremely unique in that the food itself is a developmental environment for the seeds, meaning its like a womb wherein the thousands of present chemicals are influencing what is developing. This was then incorporated into our own developmental environments and had extremely unique affects, which are punctuated by our uniqueness compared to most other mammals. Among the many different molecules in fruit, the thousands of flavonoids in there are transcription modifiers, meaning they are involved in chemically reading the DNA and changing how it is expressed..In other words, they alter how literally everything from cells to organs to brains are built- since this is all mediated through transcription.

Thousands upon thousands of these fruit chemicals flooded the womb the entire time the DNA was building the child because the mother was eating this cocktail of fruit bio-chemistry..and the blood of the mother literally is the blood of the fetus. This extended until after birth via breastfeeding where the same DNA reading chemicals would also be present.. And then on into life as the child began to eat by itself and acquire them directly. ( and yes mothers diet can affect child long into life http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/06/080616151748.htm ) These transcription chemicals, like flavonoids for example, are not only endocrine modulators, but also MAOI, anti-oxidants, and inhibitors of aromatase- meaning they inhibit testosterone which also has a monumental affect on what develops.Not only that, but its also proven that they stimulate pineal gland and brain activity.. Which creates a circular loop since this results in more transcription modifying chemicals being produced by the pineal (which are very unique and do many things), and hence more brain activity, and on and on it goes amplifying over generations in a positive feedback loop.

We also know our brains mysteriously exploded in both its size and complexity faster than any other organ in any animal in the ENTIRE ARCHEOLOGICAL RECORD..and that now they have suddenly stalled and are shrinking. http://discovermagazine.com/2010/sep/25-modern-humans-smart-why-brain-sh...

Its no coincidence the most complex tissue in the known universe evolved during a symbiosis with the most complex orchestra of food we have ever seen flooding it for millions upon millions of years. The forest was like our womb, these chemicals were housed in the fruit itself which literally is a womb with its own array of chemicals which became virtually one with our own system 24/6 for evolutionary time scales.. We literally fused into this system for millenia. How could suddenly removing virtually ALL of the thousands of chemicals that were actively involved in reading the DNA and thus drastically altering how our entire organism is built NOT make an absolutely humungus difference? If NASA was to dramatically change how they read or interpreted ( aka transcription) the blueprint(DNA) of a space shuttle, and then went about building it that way, would any sane person seriously think it would function as it did before? Say, if they used plastic or wood instead and goldschlager vodka as fuel? The human brain is light years beyond any technology we have created in its sheer complexity and sensitivity to even minute changes in its chemical make up (as any person who's taken mere micrograms of lsd, a few puffs of marijuana, or a few stiff drinks knows!)..and this is on a scale of millions upon millions of years and bam..suddenly our DNA looses basically all these transcription chemicals and its read totally different. Meaning the structure it produces would be extremely different as a consequence.

There is a ton of evidence for this. Even most mainstream myths, religions, ect. talk of this exact scenario, albeit in poetic right-brained lingo. A past golden age. The fall of mankind. The garden of eden. Basically our naked, harmonious, forest dwelling, fruit eating, paradisaical past. Most relatively aware people all intuitively know our society is insane, at least on some level. But science has recently stumbled upon a mountain of information that supports this being an actual neurological condition, although it focuses on tiny details and never realizes how all these fit together into a broader context..Just realizing our brains stopped they're mysteriously fast expansion, are now possibly shrinking, that diet affects brain size, and our diet is now totally different should be enough to make us ask some questions and set some alarm bells off. But ironically it almost never is, which is almost a sign of how numb we have become.

Katherine Milton has found that our diets generally now contain only 5% of what they used to when we lived in Africa..This has huge implications in light of what we now know about our symbiosis and previous diets and its probably even less for most people these days stuck on processed garbage. That means we lost 95% + of the thousands upon thousands of transcription modifying chemicals, and for many they've lost basically all of it and replaced it with harmful substitutes..some of which seem to even cause the opposite of brain expansion- brain damage http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/12/31/trans-fats-brain-damage_n_1173487.html

There are also many hints of higher functioning. Many altered states hint at this..Then things like speed reading - there is people who can read paragraphs or pages in mere seconds and retain 100% of it, or both pages of an open book at once-, photographic memory, meditation states, various 'savant' abilities, near perfect memory ect. ect. Here is just a few glimpses of some of these abilities.. http://wastedatwork.com/beer/b1tKA.jpg

Just look around around with this idea in mind..pollution, deforestation, slavery (yes, even today in 2012), genocide, overpopulation, starvation while others buy yachts..look at this society where a state of anxiety and fear is the norm, where each country spends thousands of man hours and dollars designing and manufacturing countless devices made to kill other people. Where our genius is focused on creating these devices designed to slaughter our own species, or useless material distractions to pre-occupy the minds of a consumerist culture.. Where people are completely oblivious to the bigger picture and how they are being spoon fed crap by the media (and fastfood) all day. I mean..we are in the bottom of a gravity well on this beautiful slime-covered magma rock soaring through space..thousands of miles an hour around a nuclear fireball (the sun) in the neighborhood of billions of other swarms of trillions of nuclear fireballs(galaxies!) and people act as if this is 'normal'! Our culture is largely a reflection, or expression, of our collective psychology. And we all sense something is wrong with our society...that is why this movement has started. Some people don't even have any idea of what is wrong with our system, but they sense it on visceral level. Its because the fundamental problem is literally within us

This epigenetic theory of evolution would work in tandem with darwins natural selection. But even Darwin admitted he though we evolved while eating fruit.

"At the period and place, whenever and wherever it was, when man first lost his hairy covering, he probably inhabited a hot country; a circumstance favourable for the frugiferous diet on which, judging from analogy, he subsisted." Charles Darwin

"problems cannot be solved by the same level of thinking that created them" Albert Einstein

This is just a very miniscule summary i felt compelled to put together on Tony's theory since after experimenting a lot and researching many areas myself the general theory seems to fit together very well

Just look at the data in the book and decide for yourself. But keep in mind the you that is analyzing the info may be the you that is basically delusional ;-)

take care <3

**(UPDATE: help support (and basically pre-buy since there is perks like kickstarter) two new books in the works on the guys project page here http://www.indiegogo.com/Make-up-your-own-mind This info has to reach more people, so spread the word please)



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[-] 2 points by hamalmang (722) from Lebanon, PA 6 years ago

is the d,m, and t in your name capitalized because of DiMethylTryptamine?

[-] 1 points by hamalmang (722) from Lebanon, PA 6 years ago

haha never mind. I just saw that Terence Mckenna quote.

[-] 2 points by jimmycrackerson (940) from Blackfoot, ID 6 years ago

I wish Terence Mckenna was still alive today. That man was wonderful at unfolding and explaining the some very complex ideas. I listen to his talks from the 80's, and can't even imagine the kind of things he'd be speaking about now.

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[-] 2 points by blazefire (947) 6 years ago

;).......Omnia vincit amor!

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 5 years ago
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[-] 1 points by DiMiTri (134) 5 years ago

interview with the author..the most thorough one out there: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-OVDRYcA_sk&feature=g-all-u

[-] 1 points by redandbluestripedpill (333) 6 years ago

For the last 2k years humanity has stopped using its unconscious mind to keep oral histories. The hypothalmus can hold 30k pages of verbal information and modern society only uses it for holding traumatic childhood memories or controlling politicians that act for secret societies.

I found this site while reading the ows forum and it introduced "epigenetics" to me. Epigenetics figures into your post about what is happening, but perhaps the below link brings in another aspect of "why"?


Why do we value gold when we have almost no use for it?

[-] 1 points by DiMiTri (134) 6 years ago

Anyone read this? I'd love to discuss :)

[-] 1 points by DiMiTri (134) 6 years ago

edited. Had to cut out a lot though. So has anyone read this? What do you think?

[-] 1 points by DiMiTri (134) 6 years ago

Here is the initial response from some excellent minds


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[-] 1 points by DiMiTri (134) 6 years ago

Heres an interesting picture that sheds some light on the glimpses of higher functioning we still experience


[-] 1 points by Quark (236) 6 years ago

Brain size is not the only factor for brain function. The folds or sulci & gyri are also responsible for brain function. These generalizations about brain size are misleading.

[-] 1 points by DiMiTri (134) 6 years ago

Of course, your right. No one ever said brain size was the only factor in brain functioning. Sorry if i implied such..this is only a very, very vague summary i quickly construed in an attempt to deliver an extremely elegant hypothesis (although the premises are very simple) in a way that people will generally begin to understand without outright denouncing the theory as rubbish (and if we are even slightly less functional than we once were, then refusing to even look at the info and checking would be basically a symptom)

That said, the brain/body ratio of an organism almost always says a a lot about its level of intelligence

[-] 1 points by DiMiTri (134) 6 years ago

the theory is actually more focused on the neocortex btw

[-] 0 points by DiMiTri (134) 6 years ago

And the brain/body ratio of fruit eating mammels is actually abnormally large and is largest in those species with the highest fruit intake often

[-] 1 points by ChristopherABrown (550) from Santa Barbara, CA 6 years ago

The "nice summary" leaves out the mention of the "unconscious" mind which is 86% of our mental capacity. Meaning it's not competent. It is psycho babble trying to make excuses for the effects of televsion and video games probably.

[-] 1 points by DiMiTri (134) 6 years ago

can you elaborate?

[-] 1 points by ChristopherABrown (550) from Santa Barbara, CA 6 years ago

We do not know everything about the mind. For example.

Our unconscious is continous from birth to death. Our conscious is intermittant every 24 hours, with an over all presence for about 65% of our lives. Making roughly 35% of our lives absolutely continuous unconscious.

Accordingly, the potential for conscious control is always interupted while the potential for the unconscious control is not. While conscious, the unconscious is the prime receptor of perceptual info. It passes on a copy of what is perceived to the conscious. All motor control is unconsciously delegated.

If the unconscious dictates a perception or and action that is to be perceived as conscious, based in the exploitation of a primodial instinct, we are fairly helpless to even know what we are doing let alone effectively control it.

Media IS our collective conscious for all intents and purposes when examining the masses. That includes all forms of mass produced communications.

Perhaps you see my point:) -

[-] 1 points by 21stCenHomoSapien (7) 6 years ago

"we are fairly helpless to even know what we are doing let alone effectively control it."

Thank you, I also believe this is true. We are not as self-aware as we may (consciously) like to believe. This inaccurate assumption turns us all into "loose cannons" of thought and behavior at times.

But I have to disagree with earlier comments that imply there is some natural state we need to return to. We are what we are: half-conscious primates at a certain point of evolution. I do believe that we can and will learn to be more self-aware and attentive to the crap that bubbles up out of our subconscious minds. And that possibly through epigenetics (mentioned elsewhere) that there is hope that intentional mental discipline will result in permanent species self-improvement. Until then efforts to change things are temporary (but necessary) fixes that inevitably will be torn down by the same intellect that initiated them.

[-] 1 points by ChristopherABrown (550) from Santa Barbara, CA 6 years ago

"But I have to disagree with earlier comments that imply there is some natural state we need to return to."

There is a simple fact. "We do not know what we do not know." I'm certain that books are easier to burn than people, and that is why they were invented, and people were burned for knowing what those burning them did not want them to know. That which we do not know is what we need to know to control our world ourselves, and those burning books want to control our world instead of us controlling it. Having said that, I will say that the oral histories of ancient people were kept in the unconscious mind using very deep trances, a state calle somnambulism. The entire planet of those people has been persecuted for 200 years and almost eliminated. Perhaps for a reason, but clearly, our control over ourselves needs to return or we will destroy our atmosphere and toxify our environments causing mutations and de evolution.

the potential to use the unconscious is still with us, just latent because the skills of working with it are quite shattered and fractured amongst our poulations. We now fear ourselves, our unconscious and anyone that can work with it effectively. Truly an unreasonable fear.

So you are correct, we do not need to return to "some natural state", but we do need to recover the skills to reach that state and work with it. We must lose our fear of that state and our unconscious existence, or, suffer some form of extinction. This is our test now, determining whether we will evolve, or not.

[-] 1 points by DiMiTri (134) 6 years ago

You guys, read the book. Coming to conclusions after reading this post of a few paragraphs is sort of silly, and, as the evidence indicates; almost a symptom of the neurological condition itself. If there is the slightest chance this is near the mark then the least we can do is look into it more in depth.

It also centers on these topics of the unconscious in profound ways and recalls loads of evidence that our current state of mind is but a shady gimmick compared to what we were thousands of years ago when the most complex biochemistry on the planet was flooding our brains for millions upon millions of years. The right hemisphere has been thought by many to be the seat of the unconscious, and more and more data point towards that holding weight. Now we know WHY it is unconscious, and what we can do to make it conscious..once you dabble a bit into this is just becomes self-evident that there is something very, very interesting going on

The unconscious is something that's intrigued me since i had visions as a young lad laying in bed at night. It would just bubble right up, as my ego dissolved into a psylocybin-esque bliss blop. Since then i've looked into jung and tons of other information, just in hopes of understanding the 'big questions'. Direct experience has always been the foci, and its simultaneously something out culture has lost in its quest for gnosis

The key to the unconscious, in my opinion, is primarily dreams and psychedelic experiences. There is a reason lsd is far more active in the right hemisphere. And why mushrooms have been clinically shown to initiate profound mystical and healing experiences in people with long lasting personality benefits and anti-deppression qualities. John hopkins literally showed it helped terminally ill cancer patients make peace with death..what could be a brush with the unconscious more than that?

These things just get lumped into the "substances with no medicinal benefits with a high potential for abuse" category for bullshit reasons. We actually have DMT, one of the most intense psychedelics on the planet, in our brains and in our bodies, all the time. And in more than one form! And its illegal? Even though its been used for thousands of years as a medicinal and shamanic tool?

To me, these are the tools. They propel you into the realm of the unimaginable. These plants are the keys to an archaic mode of being thats almost been entirely forgotten in our society, but which still lays dormant in each of us nonetheless. Its almost impossible for this idea to click in people unless they've had a spontaneous or intentionally induced experience of the numinous which pervades us like fish in water

[-] 1 points by ChristopherABrown (550) from Santa Barbara, CA 6 years ago

The problem with such drugs and such approaches is that the methods lack proper control. It is vital to focus upon love and understanding, rather than the sensationalism that is possible. Not that we should ignore it, but that is not what life is about and that does not nurture life well.

All ancient ceremony using psychoactive plants etc. were directed by forms of post hypnotics. All people carrying that knowledge are so persecuted they will not mention the fact today. The books carrying the facts were burned. There are methods using safe procedures that are legal but the fear of the unconscious is too great currently to engage any of them.

In fact there are laws saying that what works, if life is endangered, must be used and developed by government. But no court will compel government to follow those laws because such activity will also expose things that are considered secret. Courts protect this ultimate form of secrecy and this will be the end of our evolution.

All that you speak of was done very well by the ancients using forms of hypnosis that are all but gone, and no one of authority will allow their return, condemming us to extinction.

[-] 1 points by DiMiTri (134) 6 years ago

Its not died by any means

Shamanism worldwide is in some sense based on healing and building a connection with the unconscious and the torch of their knowledge has been successfully carried into the present, in spite of the persecution... If you go work with ayahuasca shamans in the amazon, who use this brew that is proven to even cause an increase in serotonin receptors (it actually mimics internal pineal chemistry, and so indirectly supports the theory perhaps), you'll see that they build a healthy relationship with this other mode of existence based on love and understanding, essentially.

And westerners are doing this sort of thing everyday now. Its spread all over the world and cannot be stopped, at this rate. Not everyone is using these psychedelic plant allies to get fucked up. Thats just what our authorities want us to think. They are being consciously used for personal growth, healing, and exploration.

There are many many ways and many techniques. Some work better than others. I personally find a very nutritious diet, with yoga, meditation, and psychedelics to be the most effective methods for reliably accessing and working with this other mode that is always there, but has been suppressed out of our awareness.

Check this out http://wastedatwork.com/beer/b1tKA.jpg (domain is unrelated heheh, i just randomly found it)

[-] 1 points by ChristopherABrown (550) from Santa Barbara, CA 6 years ago

See a video about California Indians, the "Keepers of the Western Gate", essentially the leaders of ancient America. They were the ones that developed the instructions used to program bearers of oral histories. Turn down the audio for the beginning, the public access producer that uploaded added an intro that is kinda' loud.


[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 6 years ago

I don't find the unconscious to be a great mystery

just a vast memory dump with some association processing

[-] 1 points by ChristopherABrown (550) from Santa Barbara, CA 6 years ago

At 86% of your total mental capacity, it can pretty much dictate what your conscious mind is going to percieve and believe. That issue of your conscious mind being interupted every night sleeping pretty much says what is in control.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 6 years ago

I think the senses bring greater input

[-] 1 points by ChristopherABrown (550) from Santa Barbara, CA 6 years ago

Your senses are directly connected to the unconscious. Your conscious mind gets a copy. Your thinking is of the 14% which is not unconscious. Hallucinations are caused by the unconscious.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 6 years ago


the mind is capable of imagination based off sensations gathered from the world

[-] 1 points by ChristopherABrown (550) from Santa Barbara, CA 6 years ago

Through somnambulism, which hyperamnesia is normal, meaning the events of the trance are not remembered, we wouldn't know if it was imagination or . . . whatever.

Watch that video. It is an entertaining and well documented piece of the secret history that is controlling our world. I guarantee you will have never seen anything like it.

[-] 1 points by DiMiTri (134) 6 years ago

but but but

We have no fucking clue what the human imagination even IS


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[-] 1 points by DiMiTri (134) 6 years ago

DIET AFFECTS BRAIN SIZE: http://kowb1290.com/diet-affect-brain-size/

big surprise :-P

just found that on Tony's facebook page. I'll upload more later

[-] 1 points by innerverses (1) 6 years ago

I think the ideas of Tony Wright are of vital importance!!! This is basically both at the root of the problems in our world today (both economic, social and otherwise) and explains why we all have an underlying sense that our society has gotten seriously out of touch with reality.

[-] 1 points by DiMiTri (134) 6 years ago


people who have extraordinary memory ^

This is just one of many many instances we see unusually advanced functions emerging in humans

[-] 1 points by DiMiTri (134) 6 years ago


What kind of sane society would allow this? (and for the most part not even realize it)

[-] 1 points by DiMiTri (134) 6 years ago


"The study, published September 16 in the journal Science, provides the first evidence that an organism's "epigenetic" code -- an extra layer of biochemical instructions in DNA -- can evolve more quickly than the genetic code and can strongly influence biological traits."

[-] 1 points by Idaltu (662) 6 years ago

The 1997 fossils at Herto caused quite a stir when the results were published in 2003. The findings suggested that the birthplace of modern man was in Africa and one prominent archaeologist from the original research team concluded that “we are all, in this sense, Africans." However, the skulls found at Herto seemed to be unrelated to any other prehistoric human fossils yet found. For this reason the Herto skulls were classified as a new subspecies referred to as Homo sapien idaltu rather than Homo sapien sapien. A curious factor of the Herto skulls was that the brain cases were actually larger than that of Homo sapien sapien. This was especially evident in the fossil labeled BOU-VP-16/1. Brain case size has been used by archaeologists as a measure of potential intelligence over the course of evolution. Therefore it might be expected that the subspecies of sapien would have a larger brain case than that of its predecessor homo sapien idaltu and not a smaller one. The case of shrinking brain size has been demonstrated by John Hawks,a professor of Anthropology at the University of Wisconsin–Madison. Over the past 20,000 years the human brain case has shrunk by just under 10 percent.


[-] 1 points by DiMiTri (134) 6 years ago


Thanks for the info

[-] 1 points by DiMiTri (134) 6 years ago

do you have a link btw?

[-] 1 points by pathwhisperer (57) 6 years ago

The problem is not species wide brain damage, but the significant percentage with psychopathic brains. Fighting corruption and evil while ignoring psychopathy is to tie both hands behind one's back and depend on head butting. It will not be, and has not been, successful.


[-] 1 points by DiMiTri (134) 6 years ago

We're basically talking about the same thing..but what i'm saying is that this is seen in everyone to varies degrees because we've lost 95% or more of the materials that were involved in making our unfathomably complex neocortex

[-] 0 points by irsfaggot (171) 6 years ago

Thanks this is my main problem with OWS and claiming to be 99%, if you know about sociopathy then you know that the USA has the highest rate of homicidal maniacs in the world, something about 3% because of it being a prison colony like australia simply bad-blood, long ago the world sent it losers to the usa colony.

Thus any group that seriously would consider to have 99% of the sample population as its members is in deep denial of the US population.

Whats worse is we tend to take the 3% sociopath's and make then cop's and prison guards and unleash them on the weak in our society.

The OWS embraces the cops and prison unions they are part of the 99%, its insane to follow the rhetoric of OWS.

[-] 1 points by pathwhisperer (57) 6 years ago

Ah, a sociopathic 180 degree truth reversal -- the second favorite sociopathic type of lie. The favorite is the 360 truth that is taken as a lie (or joke).

I can hear you going 'chortle, chortle.' Your name also would fit a sociopathic choice.

[-] 1 points by DiMiTri (134) 6 years ago

"The problem is not species wide brain damage, but the significant percentage with psychopathic brains. Fighting corruption and evil while ignoring psychopathy is to tie both hands behind one's back and depend on head butting. It will not be, and has not been, successful."

All the evidence shows we are suffering from a neural damage and that the left hemisphere is far more damaged than the right, leaving tons of possibilities for a recovery of perception very quick. Adressing this issue seen within all of us to various degrees (and most intensely in psychopaths and power seeking people with little empathy) IS addressing the psychopath problem. The two issues are intimately intertwined.

The reason all these neurological problems are accelerating across our species is likely to be because of continued degeneration. Look at the evidence. It stacks up. You can't fix the psychopath or any other neurological problem like this until you realize we are trying to build the most complex tissue in the known universe (that was powered by the most complex chemical-fruit cocktail known to exist for millions of years) out of junk food which can hardly even be considered food.

[-] 1 points by DiMiTri (134) 6 years ago

Trying to fix the system without addressing the internal dysfunction within all of us isn't going to get us very far. There are a million external 'fixes' for our problems that have been pushed throughout history but all are temporary and alas we still live in a fragmented world. We need to fix the internal damage that is the root of the external dysfunctions.

[-] 1 points by 4TheHumanSocietyProject (504) 6 years ago

Have you heard of THe Venus Project and JAcque Fresco?

[-] 1 points by DiMiTri (134) 6 years ago

I've heard of the venus project yea, and the idea is very elegant.

The problem, obviously, is implementing it. Will it happen? It certainly could, no doubt, but peoples minds stand in the way.

Something like that doesn't stand much of a chance at taking root as long as the powers that be are still running much of the show in alignment with corporate interests. If it would take root globally among the people then yea we could carry it through i think. Basically it comes back to peoples minds. Thats what it comes down to. Thats where all the enormous problems we've created begin.

It seems like all of our attempts at this sort of thing are almost set up to fail in the long run though..as long as we don't address the internal neural damage we all suffer from. Our society and all its problems are a reflection of this internal dysfunction.

If we addressed this and worked at a global restoration of consciousness we could get very very far very very quickly i think..This should be our first priority because all other attempts at saving the planet are set up to fail if we continue down our road of increasing mental dysfunction..

But once enough people start really waking up, and we address this internal issue that fractures our view and understanding of the world, then at that point i think making the move to a fully sustainable global system like the venus project would seem like our first priority, and the way to do it would be very obvious to all of us from that perspective. And the motivation would undoubtedly be there

[-] 1 points by DiMiTri (134) 6 years ago

“We have been to the moon, we have charted the depths of the ocean and the heart of the atom, but we have a fear of looking inward to ourselves because we sense that is where all the contradictions flow together.”

“It’s a crisis of consciousness and conditioning. These are the two things that the psychedelics open. We have the technological power and the engineering skills to save our planet.. to cure disease.. to feed the hungry.. to end war.. but we lack the intellectual vision.. the ability to change our minds. We must de-condition ourselves from 10,000 years of bad behavior..and it’s not easy.” Terence McKenna

[-] 1 points by metapolitik (1110) 6 years ago

I am talking about structural, systematic revamps.

[-] 1 points by DiMiTri (134) 6 years ago

Yes and these can help.. but if meanwhile the system that facilitates our consciousness is degrading rapidly then should we not address this and incorporate it into 'the fix'? It is doomed to only get worse and worse as the fear based irrational part of us takes control and any fix for the system is unlikely to be implemented or even hold up until this is looked at.

Like Einstein said, problems cannot be fixed from the same state of mind they were generated in. The new evidence takes that quote quite literally. Our sense of self shifts dramatically once dominance is reversed..so much so that we can scarcely begin to image the state or even retain full memory of it once it fades. If this was integrated as a cultural mode then seeing and implementing solutions to our social problems would be much easier and an immediate priority for everyone.

[-] 1 points by metapolitik (1110) 6 years ago

I get what you're saying about a fundamental shift in consciousness... But what are you suggesting exactly?

We dose everyone?

I don't think Herman Cain and Mitt Romney are quite ready for self dribbling machine elves do you?

[-] 1 points by DiMiTri (134) 6 years ago

Hahah, what an image. They're not but if this theory is true then those who seek control (like the power elite, CEO's, ect) are likely to be the most damaged and are the ones who need to see this information. Whether or not they listen though is irrelevant. Many people are on the job, but we need more scientists studying this.

A fix would go so far beyond merely dosing, although that may be a part of it.

I'm simply suggesting we look at the evidence and take it seriously. And see what changes we can make when actually putting some effort into restoration. We spend trillions on meaningless crap and wars. Take a fraction of that and focus it on figuring out how to restore the very system that facilitates our consciousness and we'd see some massive changes very quickly.

[-] 1 points by DiMiTri (134) 6 years ago

I can tell you from experience that simply changing my diet to mostly fruit, meditating a lot, and using psychedelics has made some dramatic positive shifts in my perception and overall health in just a year. Theres no telling what sense of self would emerge when we put more effort into this. I mean look at the god helmet alone. Does nothing to the left hemisphere but stimulate the right and people start having the most profound experience of their life, not unlike mushrooms (which have been shown by John Hopkins University to induce life changing experiences in the majority who took it, among other beneficial things)

[-] 1 points by DiMiTri (134) 6 years ago

Let me reiterate that i'm not the author and i don't even know the guy or hold authority on these matters. I'm just saying what i know from the book and my own independent research. just take a look...its free

[-] 1 points by alexrai (851) 6 years ago

If you like that defiantly check out out Terrance McKenna's food of the gods, if you haven't already. He makes a very novel and compelling argument about the development of human consciousness.

Wilhelm Reich (one of Freud's original students who was persecuted by the USA inthe 1940s over his ideas) is great too, not the second hand info on his "Orgone energy theory" but his original writings where he talkes about the emotional plague infecting mankind, and why its important for women to have the same economic opportunities as men, etc... in 1945!

[-] 1 points by DiMiTri (134) 6 years ago

Alexrai, terence is my hero. If you click the link to the book, you'll see that Terence's brother Dennis McKenna wrote the forward.

[-] 1 points by alexrai (851) 6 years ago

sweet, that's awesome. Well see my edit above for another suggestion then. :)

Murder of Christ by Reich is awesome, and there were a few other ones but the names escape me. His books were actually rounded up and burned in NYC after WWII. He basically thought humans were turned into robots by conditioning, and was even advocating free love in the 1940s.

[-] 1 points by DiMiTri (134) 6 years ago

Yea Reich is interesting. Wilhelm Reich in hell by Robert Anton Wilson (a genius and friend of Terence) is a great book as well but i've only skimmed it. I would check out Cosmic Trigger, and Prometheus Rising by him if you haven't

And DMT: the spirit molecule by dr. rick strassman. And inner paths to outer space by strassman and 3 other neuroscientists

[-] 1 points by alexrai (851) 6 years ago

hehe I totally did one of my University papers on Wilhelm Reich in Hell, great book, but I actually dug Reich's original works out of the library to use in my paper and I was absolutely blown away by the fact that that those kind of ideas existed in the 1940s... let alone that anyone would publish them with no punches pulled, you can see why the US government wanted him gone.

He actually states point blank that open relationships between loving partners are more likely to last, well before free love was even on the social radar.

Totally. Now that you mention it, I should actually read that. :) I've done DMT a few times, love it especially on special occasions, but still haven't got around to reading Strassman. And thanks for the original post, I got it bookmarked and am gonna totally take a read through there when I get a chance.

[-] 1 points by DiMiTri (134) 6 years ago

Yea the theory digs into dmt as well so i'm sure you'll find it interesting ;)

[-] 1 points by francismjenkins (3713) 6 years ago

Actually, I have no idea where this stuff is coming from. In truth, average IQ is increasing by 3 points per decade. There's studies that suggest that if we rely on (for instance) electronic devices, we're less likely to commit that information to memory (such as a phone number), but that has no bearing on IQ (or any aspect of our cognitive abilities). The same was true previously with books, or business cards, or whatever (our mind prioritizes, for efficiency purposes). So no worries people ... our IQ is just fine (we should worry more about educating our citizens properly, so they can utilize that IQ).

[-] 1 points by DiMiTri (134) 6 years ago

I don't know what truth there is to the whole IQ claim, but regardless, that number is a shakey indication of our overall functioning of a nervous system. This theory doesn't say that no one can get smarter. I'm talking about an evolutionary timeline here, not a few years.. Tens of thousands of years. In that period of time it is well documented that OUR BRAINS HAVE SHRUNK. We know they are not expanding like they used to be. The claims that they aren't expanding as they used to because we no longer rely on memory like we did is laughable. There are people with the majority of their brain removed and they're memory capacity is not affected. Memory is an extremely plastic ability.

[-] 1 points by DiMiTri (134) 6 years ago

It IS on the otherhand well known that the age of puberty is declining. This is exactly what you would expect if this hypothesis were true. And a decline in the age of puberty means a smaller window for neural and endocrine system development. Leading to less connections and smaller brains. Its also been found that too much testosterone kills brain cells http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/releases/52813.php

These hormones and chemicals in fruit inhibit testosterone, which itself is what initiates puberty. They also boost pineal functions, a gland which secretes analogs of these fruit chemicals which would have a huge affect on our development. Its often called the master gland. Although all the speculation on DMT and the pineal gland is still un proven

[-] 1 points by DiMiTri (134) 6 years ago

Well it looks like this is going to fade into the flood of threads as expected. I guess i'll bump it occasionally in hopes that some more people will take notice and think about these things. i think this is huge news personally. especially after DMT..my god

[-] 0 points by Adeimantus (23) 6 years ago

Your thread is going nowhere because nobody cares for this stupid and false idea. You can keep bumping it. However, at one point, you have to ask yourself - "If I'm the only one bumping my thread, what does that mean?".

"Countless religions and myths from ancient cultures tell tales of 'the fall of mankind' from a previous 'golden age', and employ tactics/techniques to regain connection with a more balanced and in touch way of being. This is a worldwide phenomenon."

This is an example of the kind of nonsense intelligent people do not care about.

[-] 1 points by DiMiTri (134) 6 years ago

For someone so modestly intelligent as yourself, i really wish you wouldn't resort to petty attacks. There's no need to be rude. We are all civil humans here trying to make the world a more peaceful place, are we not?

I'm not religious, and the theory is biologically based. You can still learn things from traditions you don't adhere to. Like robert anton wilson said- look at all incoming information. You can even learn from those whose realities are completely opposite of yours. I mentioned what i said because I was simply highlighting the fact that almost every tradition on earth talks about a previous golden age of humanity and the subsequent fall of it. In light of the data on this that our left hemisphere is a dysfunctional version of the right, i think it at the very least beckons to be looked into further.

[-] 0 points by Adeimantus (23) 6 years ago

Suit yourself. You are free to keep bumping your thread and having a discussion with yourself. I only wanted to show you a tad of reality.

[-] 1 points by DiMiTri (134) 6 years ago

Smoke DMT if you ever develop the courage to glimpse more than your tiny tad ;)

[-] 0 points by Adeimantus (23) 6 years ago

It's not a lack of courage. I simply don't see the reason to investigate further if no evidence is provided. I don't investigate Santa Claus or the Tooth Fairy for the same reasons. I have better stuff to do.

[-] 1 points by DiMiTri (134) 6 years ago

also - not sure why you posted the zeitgeist video here? Yes i've seen it and its wonderful, but any particular reason?

[-] 1 points by DiMiTri (134) 6 years ago

Dingy, indeed our brains are programmed by our culture, and TV is a large factor in crafting peoples individual 'reality-tunnels', to borrow a term from Robert Anton Wilson. The theory though predicts that the level of functioning that existed in the past can't even be comprehended by our rational minds today. We get glimpses of these states, but that is but a sliver of what was possible. Luckily we have the technology and resources to make a quick fix if our efforts are focused. Personally i've noticed tons of improvement simply by changing my diet to an uncooked one filled with fruits and vegetables mainly, and a lot of DMT, of course ;) . Its important to get the fuel but reversing the dominance is the primary factor in experiencing what we are capable of.

[-] 1 points by DiMiTri (134) 6 years ago

George Carlin RULES!

[-] 1 points by dingy58 (172) 6 years ago

In my opinion our brains are being rewired by electronics and cable TV, and mostly by the constant barrage of ads and commercials. I agree with the bit on food. We just don't feed our bodies what it needs...organic produce and natural foods...no additives. The medicines we take poison our systems. Yes we were meant for higher level thinking, especially on a spiritual realm IMO.

[-] 1 points by DiMiTri (134) 6 years ago

thanks for the link blazefire, i appreciate it

[-] 1 points by blazefire (947) 6 years ago



2 Documentaries that point to some very very similar conclusions.... p.s. Love the post.... keep that truth coming!

[-] 1 points by 5thelement (27) 6 years ago

Great post! This is right up my alley, will most def check out the book. Thanks.

[-] 1 points by DiMiTri (134) 6 years ago

by the way, sorry for the long ramble ! ^__^

[-] 1 points by dingy58 (172) 6 years ago

S'all good. I like the rambles better than chat. My eyes can't read that fast.

[-] 0 points by buphiloman (840) 6 years ago

You need to read up on the Post Hoc Ergo Propter Hoc fallacy. Then reread this post. It will change your life.


[-] 0 points by eyeofthetiger (304) 6 years ago

I am an ape come from the hollow of a tree I have size 21 feet I eat food with my fingers Ugga Ugga Ugga Ugga

[-] 1 points by DiMiTri (134) 6 years ago


[-] 1 points by DiMiTri (134) 6 years ago

you know what they say about big feet :-P

so are you some creationist or....?

[-] 0 points by MVSN (768) from Stockton, CA 6 years ago

Please explain how this age is any different from any age in the past.

[-] 1 points by DiMiTri (134) 6 years ago

Well where to begin. We currently are spending what genius we have left largely on machines designed to kill other members of our species or rip our home planet of its resources in complete disregard for every other species on the planet and the future world that our childrens children must live with. Or on material distractions to feed the blind consumers slaves to a system they are engulfed in but cant even sense., for starters. Look at the distribution of wealth. that itself is a sign of insanity. If some species had suddenly started raping the resources of the earth like we do and killed 100million of its own with weapons in the last century and was completely oblivious to how insane it was acting, don't you think we might assume there is something wrong there?

The behavior of our society is considered INSANE by many tribal societies that live more in tune with the earth. You don't have to believe me. be skeptical. Decide for yourself and just look at the evidence with an open mind..and remember that study that came out recently that showed creativity makes most people want to vomit..

[-] 0 points by MVSN (768) from Stockton, CA 6 years ago

I'm sure those tribal societies believe we are insane. Are you suggesting a return for the West to a tribal society? And creativity is bad?

[-] 1 points by DiMiTri (134) 6 years ago

No, not at all. Creativity is great, but how we implement it is a reflection of our insanity, i think. How much creativity goes into bullshit propoganda for the corporations that are literally ruining the world for everyone? Or killing machines? New poisonous products like fast food? more distractions that aren't sustainable? Our culture is a projection of our inner dysfunction. I'm suggesting we look at the overwhelming evidence seriously, do some research, see what we find, and develop more ways to restore our damaged neural system. There are many ways that already exist and none of the involve reverting to tribal societies. I'm merely pointing out how we are like fish in water in our society and sometimes can't see its contradictory nature untill we step outside it and into someone elses shoes who has a deeper connection with life processes and the earth

[-] 0 points by MVSN (768) from Stockton, CA 6 years ago

I see. Surprisingly I can agree with you to a point. The problem as I see it is you assume that a liberal/Marxist/socialist/new age/ KUMBAYA perspective and it won't work. For a while now I have noticed the deplorable lack of knowledge of history in this movement. In the past the human race can see the future.

[-] 1 points by DiMiTri (134) 6 years ago

So you've looked at the evidence then and decided there are no signs of dysfunction? hmmm..

[-] 0 points by MVSN (768) from Stockton, CA 6 years ago

I said that? Where?

[-] 1 points by DiMiTri (134) 6 years ago

sorry. guess i misinterpreted?

[-] -1 points by fandango (241) 6 years ago

How does that explain stupid vegetarians?

[-] -1 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 6 years ago

Well, that's what I've been sayin.

The whole world has gone mad,

driven into madness

by the madness that is M.A.D.

YES I am mad.

ah well.

[-] 5 points by DiMiTri (134) 6 years ago

Many sense the madness of our society. It just takes a quick shift of the viewing frame and the picture of reality and our culture completely changes. We're stuck in our hum drum notions about our culture because they're conditioned into us from the get-go. Break that conditioning just a bit and the filters on reality begin to give way, revealing information and connections you never realized existed

[-] 2 points by GlobalEd33 (2) from Washington, DC 6 years ago

Well said!-but that's just the beginning; now imagine helping everyone breakout of mind-prison! It won't be easy( you already know). We've all heard the stories about how folks prefer their captivity because it's safe and familiar. However, if we are patient, clever, and committed, we can erode-as opposed to break-the conditioning, through changes in public education. Motion strongly enough for changes in education that emphasize our socio/economic connectedness and and to some degree, take this education of other upon ourselves, and we'll all see one helluva shift. If we don't do this, the collective will always impose their psychological prison on us through the same subtle connections. The correct education of society in general will result in huge mass scale perceptual opening. This is the change Nature is demanding of us through all the various crises and we are the first wave of awakened. Let's roust the others...folks are practically snoring!

[-] 2 points by ruth67 (31) 6 years ago

GlobalEd33 and Dimitri I like what you guys wrote, so how can this be done, as we all know we are a summary of our conditioned (or should I say unconditioned society) we are under influences every min. of our lives. In order for something like this to become a reality calls upon us to perhaps build a virtual society that builds us and influences us into this direction ?

[-] 1 points by DiMiTri (134) 6 years ago

good movie, but without addressing the underlying cause of our collective insanity that sort of society will never have even a chance of being implemented