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Forum Post: The people serving food to the protesters dont want to serve the homeless? Is this true?

Posted 2 years ago on Oct. 27, 2011, 8:12 p.m. EST by figero (661)
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How Ironic !

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[-] 2 points by Shalimar (167) from Martinsville, IN 2 years ago

Hummm, I wonder where all of these hungry homeless people are coming from? Couldn't be hired by the corporations and politicians that the OWS are standing up against, could they? Don't believe everything you hear or see on television. Remember the national media (all of it) is OWNED by big business.

[-] 0 points by sdcheung (76) 2 years ago

Exactly...hired by the 1%

[-] 1 points by Mooks (1985) 2 years ago

I agree. New York city does not have any homeless people.

[-] 0 points by sdcheung (76) 2 years ago

Yeap. No Homeless People, Just a bunch a damn Transplants from madhouses and federal Prisons.

[-] 1 points by Mooks (1985) 2 years ago

Right....

[-] 0 points by figero (661) 2 years ago

LOL - everything you dont agree with is a conspiracy LOL! ok - I get it - your a lost cause LOL!

[-] 2 points by Freemarket (26) 2 years ago

Hello Pot, meet Mr. Kettle

[-] 1 points by bootsy3000 (180) 2 years ago

Actually, the Generally Assembly at OWS has not issued an official "ban" on feeding the homeless. They are merely not leaving food out unattended quite so much. But do carry on with your cynical bashing, facts seem to matter very little to the armchair keening.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 2 years ago

no.

[-] 1 points by spacemans (40) 2 years ago

getting every revolutionary warm and safe first should be the priority before food and fluff because the revolution is not a homeless issue its a marxist issue where every homeless person can work , live , and think he's a millionaire also . you know sam houstons failed experiment with socialism in the texas and Dixie (i am supposed the speak more assertive )

[-] 1 points by spacemans (40) 2 years ago

getting every revolutionary warm and safe from the elements and violence should be the first priority before food and fluff because the revolution is not a homeless issue its a marxist issue where every homeless person can work , live , and think he's a millionaire also . you know sam houstons failed experiment with socialism in the texas and Dixie (i am supposed the speak more assertive )

[-] 1 points by Uriah (218) 2 years ago

At this point, how do you tell the homeless from the protesters? When I used to drive over the road years ago I was always surprised by how many homeless I seen in NYC. Other places have them, but I've never noticed so many out in the open. Like in Knoxville, TN where I live close to they are mostly in one section of the city by one of the shelters. In NYC they are EVERYWHERE.

With that being said, if OWS helped them out a bunch, that would go a long way in many peoples eyes. I don't honestly know how you would help them though, there are so many. Kinda sad really.

[-] 1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 2 years ago

Its illegal to feed the homeless in Tampa

[-] 1 points by technoviking (484) 2 years ago

i'm sure a resource based economy within zuccotti will solve all problems. Where are the RBE folks when we need them? LOL!

[-] 1 points by PolkaDot (121) from Manhasset, NY 2 years ago

Show up at the kitchen meeting today and find out what's going on. Here's the info:

https://www.nycga.net/events/event/think-tank-discussion-2011-10-29/

[-] 1 points by armchairecon1 (169) 2 years ago

what a wonderful excercise in the limitations of a socialism...

its not that socialism can't work, it is that there is a limit to resources. if you want everyone to have something, you must spread it thinner

another look at it is, after experiencing the boom in middle class driving the economy, globalism (ie: giving everyone else in the world a chance at a middle class lifestyle) has taken from our middle class to distribute among the rest of the world, lower our standards of living.

there is a limited amount of resources in this world and there are (about to be) 7 billion people. if you want everyone to have a fair shot, dont complain when you are asked to contribute.

[-] 1 points by Oberon (35) 2 years ago

why are the homeless being foisted onto this noble endeavor? why are they not getting help at the shelters, churches, community support, outreach.etc...this keeps coming up...and I think it is being used to try and detract and derail.

[-] 1 points by figero (661) 2 years ago

Thats it - let it become someone elses responsibility LOL! Genius oberon. You are making my case with every keystroke LOL! keep it up !

[-] 1 points by Oberon (35) 2 years ago

look pal....it is not Jesus himself who is down there...it is regular folks. with your mindset, why not send the blind, the disabled, the sick, there too ....what are you some nut job:?

[-] 1 points by figero (661) 2 years ago

all I am saying is walk the walk. your ok redistributing other peoples resources but not your own lol! Why dont you ask Michael Moore or Al Gore to kick in a few more bucks ?

[-] 0 points by laffingrass (362) from Normal, IL 2 years ago

OWS isn't about redistributing resources.

But when your children or grandchildren can't afford to live on their own after college (hopefully they can afford that, the costs only go up), can't find a job, and are left trying to claw their way out of poverty, make sure you tell them that you were part of the problem.

Ignorance and apathy are ruining this country and turning it into a bunch of self-interested pricks. Do you ever think about anyone besides yourself?

[-] 1 points by figero (661) 2 years ago

I'm thinking of the homeless being denied fod by the OWS movement.

[-] 0 points by laffingrass (362) from Normal, IL 2 years ago

I was unaware that OWS moonlighted as a soup kitchen, which there are plenty of already.

[-] 1 points by figero (661) 2 years ago

yea - let it be someone elses responsibility.

[-] 0 points by laffingrass (362) from Normal, IL 2 years ago

Unless you take the time to donate food to shelters or volunteer at them, you are no different.

[-] 0 points by figero (661) 2 years ago

your not about redistributing resources? you want the 1% to fork over their money is that not redist?

[-] 1 points by laffingrass (362) from Normal, IL 2 years ago

I don't want either of those things. But, there are no signs of this machine stopping, so I can only assume that things will get worse unless something changes.

For me, that means taking the influence of money out of politics. So many millions of Americans are fooled daily and they just don't give a shit.

We need to start giving a shit, OWS does.

[-] 1 points by figero (661) 2 years ago

then lobby your congressman. you are aiming at the wrong target

[-] 1 points by laffingrass (362) from Normal, IL 2 years ago

So I should attempt to use the system I know is corrupt?

No Congressman is going to give a fuck about any regular citizen's opinion, don't be so naive.

[-] 1 points by Misguided (373) 2 years ago

So how does it get fixed?

[-] 1 points by laffingrass (362) from Normal, IL 2 years ago

Stop letting the opinions backed with thousands/millions of dollars have more say than those that aren't. Everyone should have an equal say in Government.

If a CEO wants to endorse a candidate, fine by me. They should not be allowed to use their entire corporation to endorse them, though. Same goes for any sort of employee.

[-] 1 points by laffingrass (362) from Normal, IL 2 years ago

It won't let me reply to your post, but I guess it would happen by doing what I already said, not letting corporations endorse politicians.

I didn't expect that anyone would need any further details, it's rather self-explanatory. Then again I've seen this attack frequently, because apparently you have to have a solution to something in order to claim its inadequacy, right?

Try coming up with an original rebuttal, this is getting old. Especially considering I already told you how.

[-] 1 points by Misguided (373) 2 years ago

So how do we make that happen?

[-] 0 points by figero (661) 2 years ago

ha - what do you hope to achive by throwing a temper tantrum in the park lol ?

[-] 1 points by laffingrass (362) from Normal, IL 2 years ago

Raising awareness, which has already been achieved.

Anything else?

[-] 0 points by Oberon (35) 2 years ago

you don't seem to understand ..that it is clear the game is rigged. ill gotten gains you know? crime? ever played Monopoly as a kid? bet you lost every time.

[-] 0 points by figero (661) 2 years ago

I dont understand - the game is rigged in Zuccotti Park ?

[-] 0 points by Oberon (35) 2 years ago

the game I am referring to is the overall game that has pitted the 1% against the 99%. there is a conscience of unity awakening in all the People and from the very Living Planet itself at work to in a very relatively short amount of time act upon with direct action to correct this game or journey we are evolving along in the unfolding universe.

[-] 1 points by Mooks (1985) 2 years ago

http://sociology.ucsc.edu/whorulesamerica/power/images/wealth/Figure_5.gif

That is a graph comparing the wealth of the 1% vs. the 99% for the last 100 years. What we see today is really about average for the 20th century. And I think it is safe to say America pretty much dominated the 20th century.

[-] 1 points by Oberon (35) 2 years ago

that link is dead, but whats your point.

[-] 1 points by Mooks (1985) 2 years ago

The difference we see between the 99% and the 1% has been pretty constant for 100 years. Why do people care so much now?

[-] 0 points by Oberon (35) 2 years ago

my friend, the health of the earth is in decline and consequently mankind too. people on the whole planet can see and feel the results of unabashed big money at work to maximize itself. It comes at the price of environmental degradation and human enslavement. at least that is what the evidence is telling us. look around man.

[-] 1 points by Mooks (1985) 2 years ago

I am just saying it is nothing new. It has going on for well over 100 years.

[-] 0 points by figero (661) 2 years ago

here is the link you need - the 1% contributes 36.7% of the Federal Income Taxes collected while the bottom 50% contributes 2.3%

http://www.taxfoundation.org/news/show/250.html#table1

[-] 0 points by figero (661) 2 years ago

In your mind lol!

[-] 1 points by Oberon (35) 2 years ago

the trajectory we are on is an existential threat to all living inhabitants of this planet..including ourselves....sure man...nothing new at all...go back to yer california dreamin

[-] 1 points by Oberon (35) 2 years ago

whose side r u on anyhow?

[-] 0 points by figero (661) 2 years ago

why are there "sides" ?

[-] 1 points by jph (2652) 2 years ago

No it is not true,. .

[-] 1 points by proudhon (3) 2 years ago

Of the people camping out in Zuccoti , how many are there just because they are homeless and how many are dedicated protestors?

[-] 1 points by PandaMe73 (303) from Oakland, CA 2 years ago

No, this is not true, not a single homeless person has been turned away. If the kitchen is serving food, it's serving it to everyone.

Their resources were being strained by the homeless population, and they are looking into a solution-- a Rupert Murdhoch spin machine publication ran an article on this to twist it into a story trying to make it look like OWS doesn't support the homeless, and then trolls like you ran with it.

[-] 1 points by figero (661) 2 years ago

Murdock is the only spin machine? the other outlets are honest upstanding journalists with no motive lol!

[-] 0 points by laffingrass (362) from Normal, IL 2 years ago

That was never stated, you jumped to that conclusion on your own.

As seen as you wake up and stop gobbling up the bullshit ANY mainstream media feeds you, you'll find out who we truly are. Until then, it seems that you're locked in ignorance and think that we're all socialist-loving Obama humpers.

Obama can go fuck himself.

[-] 0 points by figero (661) 2 years ago

so the resources were being strained by the homeless 99% - oh - I see. They don't count.

[-] 1 points by Noid (22) 2 years ago

From what I heard the kitchen in Ny is set up and feeding anyone who wants food.

[-] 0 points by Rob (881) 2 years ago

What they did was change the menu from practcallly gormet fare to rice and beans to "discourage" the homeless and "encourage" them to go to a soup kitchen. Yes, everyone is getting fed, but not like the are used to.

[-] 1 points by figero (661) 2 years ago

Just like will happen under socialism lol!

[-] 0 points by OkFineIWin (46) 2 years ago

What is this a circle-jerk for trolls?

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[-] 0 points by figero (661) 2 years ago

hahaha! finally - the true colors of OWS are revealed LOL!

[-] 0 points by Misguided (373) 2 years ago

Aren't the homeless some of the most effected 99%?

[-] 1 points by figero (661) 2 years ago

I'd say so - They definately fall into the 99%. When the shoe is on the other foot the protesters are cowards. Do as I say - not as I do.

[-] 1 points by Misguided (373) 2 years ago

Or is it that people don't want to work 18 hours a day to feed people that they feel are not contributing?

[-] 0 points by figero (661) 2 years ago

what are the protesters contributing?

[-] 1 points by Misguided (373) 2 years ago

I don't know? It's Animal Farm I guess then. Some people are just more equal than others.

[-] 0 points by figero (661) 2 years ago

ah - reaLLY ! not contributing? what are you contributing to be demanding the 1% BE GIVING YOU ANYTHING?

[-] 1 points by Misguided (373) 2 years ago

Relax. My point was that the providers are getting upset. It's a perfect example of how socialism sucks even on the smallest scale.

[-] 0 points by flip (6821) 2 years ago

socialism sucks on the smallest scare - really - you are truly misguided - you did name yourself correctly - do you know much about human history and what socialism really is - you can't if you say such silliness - and why are you on this site - constantly! nothing better to do - go out and make money if you are such a rugged individual - go away - go listen to glen beck or some other moron

[-] 1 points by Misguided (373) 2 years ago

Listen dude I work for a living and to support my family. If you choose to give away what you earn to the government God bless you for your intent, even though I believe it's wasted, but if you try to use the force of government to force me into giving what I earn to the government and not to whom I choose God help you. I don't know who you are but you sound like someone without much life experience. Once you grow up and become a big boy/girl who has to fend for yourself you will become enlightened to the way things really work and how they work best for everyone. Until then talking to you is like debating a 2 year old. Actually no a 2 year old has a much better conceptual understanding of property rights than you do.

[-] 0 points by flip (6821) 2 years ago

dude?

[-] 0 points by flip (6821) 2 years ago

in case you haven't noticed the gov't is taking your money right now - god help them april 1 - i imagine the irs will back off you! and you never answered my question - do you know anything about human history - how long have we lived in communal societies and when did capitalism come into the picture - how long have property rights been on the agenda - do you know anything about this - misguided

[-] 1 points by Misguided (373) 2 years ago

Yeah I know enough about it and our founders knew enough about it to know that on a large scale it's impossible. Has you ever read Bastiat, or Jefferson? They give plenty of justification for why we have what we have and not communism. Besides if you love communism, the beauty of our country is that you are free to leave and go to Cuba, or better even you are free to buy some property with your other communist friends and start a commune of your very own.

[-] 0 points by flip (6821) 2 years ago

ah yes - the old dead rich white men card - slave owners etc - did anyone mention communism - oh, that's right - you did - shows how many options you can hold in your mind - 2

[-] 1 points by Misguided (373) 2 years ago

You mentioned communal societies there genius. It's apparent you have no idea what you are talking about but instead throwing out some old BS talking points about racist Founders and flawed Constitution. It really is sad that @ 61 years old you have never taken the 30 or 40 mins it would take you to actually read the Constitution and maybe a few of the Federalist papers or anti-federalist papers or maybe a few of the auto biographies of our founders. But why not just take everything some teacher or pundit told you as gospel and then spew those talking points to anyone who disagrees. That's way easier and requires no thought at all. Congrats. You're a superstar.

[-] 0 points by flip (6821) 2 years ago

read madison - how he does not want real democracy and wants to protect the minority of the opulent from the masses - that is you big guy. stop worshiping the dead white guys and think - i never said genius - you need to read better - and think not just repeat something you heard from another white boy - i know it hurts but you can do it

[-] 0 points by flip (6821) 2 years ago

i am 61 and have run my own business for 40 yrs - don't be stupid - you refuse to understand that we live in a society - no one makes it on their own (buffet - that silly old socialist - agrees with me here) - where did you go to school - who pays for the fire dept - do i need to go on??? it is self evident - if you cannot grasp the idea it must be because you don't want to - read about roman law (the basis for our property law) and how they thought about it - "debt the first 5000 years" has a very good explanation of this subject. you are on the wrong site - time for you to step up or step out - misguided

[-] 1 points by Misguided (373) 2 years ago

Flip unfortunately this site and possibly this movement is destined to fail because of these socialist/communist style philosophy. The fact that you get your information about the taxes you should be paying from one of the richest men in the country who admittedly cheats the tax system is insane in itself. Of course some of our local taxes are necessary as well as some of our state and federal taxes. But have you ever taken a few mins away from listening to Jimmy, I mean Warren Buffet to maybe read the Constitution? (I won't hold it against you if you went to public school and never read it, you get what you pay for.) The point is they are stealing our money and we are not getting our value for it now. You must be a horrible businessman if you don't understand that premise. The problem is in our government, their waste, fraud, and abuse of taxpayer funds. Hand them more of your money if you like but for all of your buddy Buffet's talk he damn sure didn't cut the treasury a check now did he, sounds like he really agrees with me more.

[-] 1 points by flip (6821) 2 years ago

wow - you are not worth talking too - it brings nassem taleb's line to mind -"if you're so rich why aren't you so smart"

[-] 1 points by Misguided (373) 2 years ago

Great counter point. About what I expected. Can't win the argument, attack the individual.

[-] 0 points by flip (6821) 2 years ago

did i start that mean spirited nonsense - sorry. tough to win an argument with someone who is not only misguided but misinformed and close minded - or maybe just stupid - go ahead - have the last word - this is silly don't you agree

[-] 1 points by figero (661) 2 years ago

No one is saying there should be no safety net or basic government functions. but how much is enough before it kills insentive? do you want a safety net or cradle to grave entitlements?

[-] 0 points by flip (6821) 2 years ago

most of your taxes goes to the military - take a look - google war resisters league pie chart - there are others but they spell it out pretty well - the next huge chunk goes to the rich and corporations as we just witnessed

[-] 1 points by figero (661) 2 years ago

Military makes up 20% of the federal budget. the rest is SS, medicare, safety net programs & interest on the debt. oh yea -of these categories, Military is the only constitutional fed program

[-] 1 points by Misguided (373) 2 years ago

Flip do you have any idea what the 3/5 thing is and why it was done? Maybe if you had just a bit of intelligence or just reflected a moment or even read supporting documentation on our founders you would know and maybe have not just some respect for what those men did but some perspective. But I completely understand, you probably went to government schools. They want you to be an ignorant zombie. Do as they want. Don't read anything on your own.

[-] 0 points by flip (6821) 2 years ago

go to the war resistors site - your info is incorrect - that is what the gov't wants you to believe - lbj put social security into the budget to disguise the cost of the vietnam war - it is a stand alone project - not so impressed by the constitution so that will not convince me - they did the 3/5 thing you remember

[-] 0 points by figero (661) 2 years ago

I love it - everything is one big conspiracy theory LOL!

[-] 0 points by flip (6821) 2 years ago

history is not conspiracy theory - well some is - have you read that history - lbj did put social security into the regular budget - do not believe me look it up

[-] 0 points by figero (661) 2 years ago

hahahahaha! ok - I've heard enough

[-] 1 points by Misguided (373) 2 years ago

Were you talking to yourself or were comments deleted?

[-] 1 points by flip (6821) 2 years ago

not very thoughtful but expected - afraid to look and have your poor little ideas shattered? remember others are reading this - you may not want to look so foolish

[-] 1 points by TheScreamingHead (239) 2 years ago

If anyone sees this, I want video.

http://occupyyallstreet.blogspot.com/