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Forum Post: The only way to deal with these idiots, this November, come out and vote!

Posted 11 years ago on Jan. 26, 2012, 6:48 p.m. EST by jssk (170) from Naperville, IL
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Let's stop trying to convince them, it's impossible.



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[-] 1 points by ARod1993 (2420) 11 years ago

The best way to do that is to hit congressional incumbents hard in local party primaries. Regardless of party, the best thing to do right now is pick people from the community with the proper training to handle elected office and strong enough ties to their constituents that they can't really be bought, and plop them in the primaries of whatever party is dominant in the given district or state. It's far more likely to succeed than a third-party or independent run, because success in the primaries gives you support of the entire party machine in the general election.

[-] 1 points by jssk (170) from Naperville, IL 11 years ago

Where are these people?

[-] 1 points by ARod1993 (2420) 11 years ago

That''s the problem; they do exist, but nobody seems to want to go to the effort of finding them, talking them into running, and then providing them with enough resources and manpower to make their campaigns anything more than a protest rather than a serious attempt at a leadership change. My original hope was that OWS and its local affiliates would put their money and manpower (especially the latter, given the number of activists involved) into something like that in an attempt to change the game in DC. Unfortunately, that doesn't appear to be happening.

[-] -1 points by Kirby (104) 11 years ago

You have to be cold and heartless to want these jobs. Decent people won't do it. Dickheads that like an envelope under the table love these jobs. Corrupt as hell.

[-] 1 points by ARod1993 (2420) 11 years ago

That is the status quo, but that doesn't have to be how things operate. When the people who make the decisions that shape the future of this country are mostly corrupt, we can't simply sit back and accept that as how things are going to be (if we do, then as far as I'm concerned we deserve what we get). We have to fix DC, both by changing the environment in which politicians operate so that the corruption we've been seeing so much of recently is comprehensively investigated and thoroughly punished, and the most obvious incentives removed, and then by putting in a new crop of people with close enough ties to their constituents that they don't want to sell out to begin with. That means that those people need to have those jobs even (and possibly especially) if they don't want those jobs.

[-] 1 points by jrhirsch (4714) from Sun City, CA 11 years ago

Vote with your dollar instead. Don't support corporate influence!

[-] 1 points by jssk (170) from Naperville, IL 11 years ago

You have more dollars than the corporate?

[-] 1 points by jrhirsch (4714) from Sun City, CA 11 years ago

The 1% have 40% of the wealth, the 99% have 60%. We have more dollars. Don't support corporations by buying their products, starve them until they let go of our Democracy.

[-] 1 points by jssk (170) from Naperville, IL 11 years ago

But half of the 60% supports the party that supports the corporate.

[-] 1 points by jrhirsch (4714) from Sun City, CA 11 years ago

I'm working to lower that 1/2 to much lower. We have for decades voted out corrupt politicians from government only to have them return with new faces, and new promises, but hiding the same lies. It should be no wonder, since we are asking the corrupt to remove the source of their power, corruption. Asking congress to do this is like asking the mafia to give up their machine guns. Congress has intentionally failed to enable any meaningful reform, and will continue to only if we allow them to.

It will take force directed not through congress, but directly at the source of funds, the corporations, the special interests, and wealthy individuals. The key is to remove the money, the mothers milk that feeds this corruption. The weapon is our wallet, and the bullets our dollars. We must boycott every company, organization, and individual who unfairly influences our government until they end their tyranny.

[-] 1 points by jssk (170) from Naperville, IL 11 years ago

And we can have our own political organization. There are groups for business, ethnic groups, for workers in certain industry, but there is just not a organization directly for the lower 80% on the wealth spectrum. Of course some of them claim to be, but really none.

[-] 1 points by jrhirsch (4714) from Sun City, CA 11 years ago

True Democracy is steered by individuals, not any organization or group. Once you become part of an organization, you lose your personhood.

[-] 2 points by jssk (170) from Naperville, IL 11 years ago

But individuals have to work together. Don't you think the so called "individuals" are losing the warfare to those lobbying groups and political parties?

Why are people gathering to occupy wall street instead of doing it individually and separately?

[-] 1 points by jrhirsch (4714) from Sun City, CA 11 years ago

When some individuals form a streetgang, they increase their power at the expense of individuals who are not in the gang. The Republicans, Democrats, Libertarians are like thugs relative to Independent voters. Power is fixed in society. It flows to those that take it and away from those who do not hold on to it. Power is actually given up by the members of a group, it concentrates in the leadership.

If OWS becomes a political party like the Democrats or Republicans, we will become just as corrupt. Each party only wants what is best for themselves, at the expense of others.

One aspect of OWS I like is that power is distributed more evenly than any other movement. Our power comes from recognizing injustice, then acting positively to counteract that injustice. Not by forming a group. Boycotting corporations that unfairly influence government is an example. Each individual makes their own decision to take part.

The key to end injustice is first to understand it's cause, then open other peoples eyes to it so that they may also take positive action. It doesn't take a group, it takes knowledge put into action.

[-] -2 points by Kirby (104) 11 years ago

I see California is flat on it's back. Taking bailouts from the feds so your state government doesn't have to take responsibility. Your once great state is a fucked up liberal cess pool now isn't it?

[-] 0 points by kingscrossection (1203) 11 years ago

Don't you?

[-] 0 points by Kirby (104) 11 years ago

Throw out the dimocrats and repubicans. Anyone that has been involved in "legal insider trading" needs to go down the steps on their fat ugly ass! Get it?


[-] -1 points by ironboltbruce (371) from Miami, FL 11 years ago
[-] -2 points by TimMcGraw (50) 11 years ago

agreed. Romney gets my vote

[-] 1 points by jssk (170) from Naperville, IL 11 years ago

Then vote, nobody needs to hear about it.

[-] 0 points by ironboltbruce (371) from Miami, FL 11 years ago

How many times do you plan to vote for him? I mean, once you get in the booth...

[-] -1 points by toonces (-117) 11 years ago

I plan on going to Chicago and telling them I have no ID and that I want to vote DemocRAT. Each time I get in the booth I will vote for Romney.

[-] 0 points by ironboltbruce (371) from Miami, FL 11 years ago