Forum Post: The only reason why you are POOR is because you are LAZY!
Posted 13 years ago on Oct. 27, 2011, 11:24 a.m. EST by HardcoreLibertarian
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The only reason why there are POOR people in the world is because some people are LAZY.
POOR = LAZY.
If you weren't so LAZY, you would be rich.
The cause of poverty is laziness.
Everyone who's poor is LAZY.
Ayn Rand is a crazy, fanatical who suffered from PTSD. Please do your research on the origins of Libertarianism, and remember her books were works of fiction, repeat fiction. It would be like saying that werewolves are nice and vampires are evil. In their fictitious state, this is a true statement, but in reality, they don't exist. Just like your phrase that poor people are lazy. Tell that to the small farmers who get up every morning to work their crops or take care of their animals. Tell that to the men and women who take care of your lawn. Tell that to the roofers in the summer, or the construction workers, or the police, or the teachers. Poor people are not lazy, this isn't about poor people, it's about everyone EXCEPT 1% of the population.
Funny you should mention it. I am a small organic farmer. And I realize that advancement is achieved through hard work, as I am a testament to.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1W8EVczrTyg
If I'm rich it's because I'm not lazy.
Or that you're a lying, cheating, self absorbed psychopath who is getting off on insulting people. Please read "The Psychopath Test" by Jon Ronson, I think you'll like it. Basically, the only thing that separates some CEO's from jailed sociopaths, is privilege of birth. You really have to have a disconnect to kill whole communities, or help fund quierrilla wars to maintain high profit margins. Or pay yourself 218% more than your workforce and force less employees to do more work.
Is that a guess.
I am not poor, kind of lazy but lucky for me that's ok. Here are some documentaries on finance, and politics, I think you would both enjoy, and find interesting. Your obviously a smart guy so you may have seen them, if so, let me know I have a few more that might interest you. Finance: Born Rich, Breaking the Bank, College Inc, I want your Money, Inside The meltdown, IOUSA, Maxed Out, Mind Over Money, Money Masters, Speaking Freely, Ten Trillion and Counting, The American Ruling Class, The Best Government Money Can Buy, The Big One, The Card Game, The Corporation, The Madoff Affair, The Warning, Trading on Thin Air,
Politics: After Innocence, An Inconvenient tax , An Unreasonable Man, Burzynski, Business of Being Born, Can Mr. Smith Get to Washington anymore, Casino Jack, Electile Dysfunction, Flow, Freedom Fries, Homo Toxicus, Ken Burns America the Congress, The American drug War, XXI Century,
LOL I think you are just bored not rich...perhaps home from school today?
If you work two part time jobs 38 hours a week at each of them, you put in a combined 76 hours a week. That's hard work. It gets you less than $600 a week BEFORE taxes, plus no benefits at all.
How does all that hard work get you rich? It doesn't in this system.
Teacher- Don't listen to the Ayn Rand worshiping fools and sociopaths. Clearly, many Ameircans, including yourself, work very hard and you are not rewarded, not nearly enough for your effort. This is why we need to push for reforms. Don't waste your time on mean people. - MJ
wah wah wah. teachers get absurd pensions thanks to stupid Unions. Give up the pensions and retirement at age 55 and you'd have more money to make now, stupid. Or, just smoke pot.
retirement is after 30 years of hard work. Not at a set age. Most teachers just start work fairly young.
IIn New York public school teachers may retire at 55 after 25 years in the system at a pension of 50% of the average of their 3 highest earning years. This defined benefit pension is exempt from state or city taxation , unlike private pensions in New York. As of 2009, 44% of all public school teachers made a base salary (not including “per session pay”, the teachers version of OT vacation pay etc) of over $75,000 , 33% made over $80,000 and 15% made over $90,000. There were over 10,000 teachers in the system making over $100,000. This is regardless of subject matter taught or performance but based solely on time in the system.
Job security in NY is excellent as no teacher has been laid off since the beginning of this economic crisis, and many say it is almost impossible to terminate a non performing teacher in NYC. My opinion is that the oft perpetuated myth of the underpaid teacher is just that--- a myth.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the cost of living in NYC extremely high? 80,000 sounds like a ton of money to me, but the cost of living where I live is super low.
Also, teachers pay into a pension fund, so its not like this money is 100% "free" when they retire.
Just try stepping into a classroon and dealing with 30 irrate teenagers all day and ask yourself how much you'd like to earn. Around here teachers start at 20-30, and there no extra pay of any kind.
The cost of living is somewhat high, but is more reasonable out in the boroughs rather than in Manhattan. My problem is (a) the fact that none of these contracts were ratifed by voter referendum giving those of who bear the costs any say and (b) no preferential legislation (no state or city tax on public pensions as opposed to state and city tax on private pensios. its like taxing blacks and not whites) was ever ratifed by voter referendum giving those of who bear the costs any say
State governments, city governments, and school boards are all elected.
So are the president and congress. So why are people protesting? just elect a new one, right? The problem is it seems that those elected, whoever they are, are always beholden to special interests. In any negotiation, both parties must have skin in the game. The workers put up their labor, the residents put up their tax dollars--- so let the residents ratify a contract just as the rank and file union members get to ratify a contract.
The special interests are the problem. You vote for people to negotiate on your nehalf. You said it. If the schools in NYC aren't doing their job, vote in a new school board. Find a candidate who only wants better schools.
No civic employee has their contract ratified by referendum. Not cops, firefighters, nobody. But if you think the system is flawed protest vote, go crazy.
but you see our opinion doesn't matter. When they write the tax code to whom do they look for input?...... is it the clerk at the tax office? is it the Teacher at the school? no its some banker from I will look for a nice way to put it.. Elsewhere and to him money is just lines on paper people are just de-humanizing terms like payee or what have you
? The tax code is written; not in a series of drafts looking for "banker" input.
yea written by bankers.......
bankers don't write tax rules. they only find ways to get around it.
corporations lobby to write rules to keep their competitors out of the market.
when you say corporations could you possibly mean the corporate banks??? dude come on and get real Wall street hijacked America a looooong time ago and they have joined with other banking and financial types around the world please go read about the g20 and see how much they affect even America when it comes to financial policy
corporations - exxon, walmart, coca-cola, mcdonalds, chevron, conoco, GE
a long time ago, they co-opted the financial industry.
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mmm, lets parse that out:
Lazy means: "averse or disinclined to work, activity, or exertion; indolent." Poor means: "a : lacking material possessions "
If somebody exerts lots of work, activity or exertion, than they are not lazy correct? So we can agree a marathon runner is not lazy, after all they train every day, they are working on improving there running, they are active, they are exerting energy.
So no marathon runners can not be considered "lazy" Lazy = Poor Some marathon runners are in fact poor. Therefor we must conclude that the set which we label "poor" is larger than the set we call "Lazy." okay, but the inverse must be the case right? Rich =/= Lazy. well, I think many of us have observed that though some children born into wealth know that the need not exert any energy to maintain wealth, and would prefer to simply live the fun life. While this is not a value statement on that, we can all agree that this is lazy behavior.
Therefor the set which we call "Lazy" does not exclude "Rich"
We must conclude that laziness is independent of wealth, and that hardworking is also independent of wealth, to all its varying degrees. Knowing this we must look beyond the individuals capacity to exert effort, and consider greater variables. I think in the end no matter what avenue you choose to take, 'laziness' 'intelligence' 'physical ability' 'selfishness' 'socialness' we will end up finding that there is no simple binary reason as to why some one is not wealthy. knowing this we can address that it must not be simply a matter of an individual, or simply a matter of society, but rather a complex network of hidden and exposed forces which determine this status of wealth. Furthermore knowing that it can't be simply pinpointed on the individual we can no longer make a judgment of character be the basis of defense for an obviously immoral system.
This is the most logical thing I have read in FIVE days.
i thought i was just being a snarky fuck.
What Weatherman said.
Somebody studied for their GREs!
I was laid off from a job in which overtime was mandatory. I went to college and paid for it out of my savings, in order to change career fields. Jobs require experience that I don't have and can't get in a nice catch 22. In the meanwhile, I have been taking care of aging parents and a sibling with cancer. Your comments demonstrate lazy thinking, stereotyping, and poverty of empathy. I feel very sad for you.
You are LAZY!
If you were not LAZY you would have started your own business already, and would be a prosperous business owner.
I feel sorry for you. Your hatred will eat your soul.
You do know that it takes more than hard work to own your own business. And that even with hard work, businesses fail.
Im a Libertarian and youre wrong. You cant get a loan to start a business because no one can save any capitol. You get the money to start a business from 2 places. 1) loand which come from savings and 2) from savings. Inflation is so high that you cant save and interest rates are so low that when you try to say it makes no difference. Its Loose - Loose.. although I dont like to use the phrase.
Wait a minute, when did being rich ever bring happiness or true fulfillment. It seems to me that some of those who have money are soul poor. If money is your goal here on Earth, it is an empty goal as when you die none of your money will go with you. Careful who you call rich and poor as many of those who don't have physical wealth have vast spiritual wealth and you can only take one of those with you in the end! You may not understand us as we don't care about money. We want fairness and to not have our government mind control it's people! Who cares about physical money!!! Our priorities are different from yours HardcoreLibertarian.
Yeah...lazy and/or not intelligent. Everyone saying that farmers and teachers are not lazy yet are poor are missing the point. You are getting paid what you are worth...period. It takes very little intelligence or self development to be a farmer or teacher or fire fighter or other noble job. Yes it might be hard, but there are millions of people (obviously, they are protesting) that are willing to work hard for little pay.
There are many teachers out there not in the public system getting paid 1% wages and are very happy. How? They didn't rob or cheat their way there, they planned, worked, educated themselves and took control of their environment and life.
Lazy is a good all encompassing word, whether your too lazy to get better educated or too lazy to create new ideas or businesses or too lazy to sustain yourself in a way that doesn't require buying so much crap...it all comes back to some form of laziness or hope of entitlement.
It takes little intelligence or self development to be a teacher. So they just hand out master's degree? Lesson plan write hemselves? Good to know.
Not everyone wants to be rich. Everyone wants to be able to earn enough to keep hemselves alive. There are people who work their tails off just to keep from being homeless. Not because they are stupid, not because they are lazy, because that is what is left for them. Not everyone can be a CEO. Someone has to be the clerk in the mailroom. Does that guy deserve to make starvation wages?
yes they pretty much do...you put in some time, pay the tuition (or borrow it), walk the walk, and churn out the correct answers enough times and you get a degree. I know, I've got some. If you want to be well paid you've got to have something everyone else doesn't and that doesn't come from school or government leaders/legislation or anyone else. It comes from the individuals choice to take responsibility and direct their life how they want it. Whether it be to make a lot of money or not.
"because it is what is left for them"...there is more abundance and wealth than people know what to do with that's why some people have so much more than others. There is not a single pie with slices to be handed out, it's an expanding pie that grows with every new idea and discovery. You can make a whole new pie with a single idea or business if you want to (the internet is a great example). Quit playing the victim long enough to sit down and think and you might surprise yourself with what you come up with.
Lastly, ever heard of e-mail? The clerk in the mail room is no longer a useful job so NO someone doesn't have to play that victimizing job anymore and it's because a bright person had the creative idea to relive humans from that menial task.
I saw an old Mexican working hard out in the fields, back bent, sweat pouring down his face, so I asked him how old he was. He said he was fifty and had been doing this all his life. I said, "According to the libertarians you must be a rich man." He spat into the dirt and replied, "What would a rich man be doing out here picking in the fields?"
HardcoreLibretarian, Really you guy that saying the truth , but take care your post with all comments will be deleted after some hours. That usually happened to my posts here.
Can't believe you guys fell for this one.....
Here's e better explanation.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1Ab0XLDZAQ
Your comment demonstrates your stultifying density and obtuseness.
That is some of the most narrow-minded thinking I have ever encountered. You really have no idea how the world turns today, do you? Factors that contribute to the wealth of any individual are so numerous it's impossible to narrow down. Because sometimes it has to do with who you know or to some extent, what class you were born into or what education was received in order to make intelligent choices in regards to financial gain. All of these and many more things contribute to personal wealth. Even each of these can be sub-categorized with innumerable ways in which these things transpire. Try again buddy, you're way off!
Even the poor people in wheelchairs? With a 10% unemployment rate lazy or not 10% will be poor. Not to mention the working poor who can't keep up with inflation.
I'm a property owner with a great annual income. This is not just about poor people. It's about corruption my clueless friend. Corruption that is not only effecting the bottom 10% (poor) but the rest of us too. Anyone who doesn't own multinational corporations that control our government should join. Just because you don't understand how you are being robbed doesn't mean you arent.
Understanding the ones you oppose will make your arguments more effective http://youtu.be/AzULm4d8h8w
Somewhat connected thoughts-
So if poor=lazy then logically rich=hard working. Maybe you haven't heard of the expression, the idle rich. And doesn't libertarian=minimal government or individual liberty, not libertarian=ignorant, self-centered and mean spirited? HardcoreLibertarian, certainly some poor people are lazy, but you need to educate yourself as to the causes of poverty, which are many. I am a 52 year old white, Wellesley College educated female. I came from a middle class family whose values included helping (not enabling by the way) those less fortunate. Even though my father was a libertarian from Vermont and my mother a Boston republican, they did not attribute poverty to laziness. I grew up expected to work hard by holding a job (I worked 20 hours a week starting at age 14) get good grades, AND do volunteer work in our community. When I went to Wellesley in 1976 I was appalled by the elitism of so many of the students I met there. I will never forget one student remarking in class, "The poor are poor because they want to be." I couldn't imagine having such a cruel and ignorant mindset. This same girl got a summer internship at a company run by her father's friend. I didn't have those connections. I went home in the summer and worked at a dry cleaner's to help pay for college expenses. Humm...Who do you imagine worked harder? Wellesley was a life changing experience for me, not because as a result of being educated there, I was able to become part of the 1%, but rather because I was exposed to the set of values which only serve to justify the 1%'s lifestyle. I rejected those values and instead, decided to devote my life to social justice. I have worked in Arizona as an advocate for Latinos, and in Nevada as a crisis intervention and peer counselor for battered women. I was a member of Nevadans for Constitutional Equality which succeeded in getting the felony sodomy law repealed in the early 90's. And the past 12 years I have been an educator in elementary schools in the poorest neighborhoods in the city, beginning my career in the South Bronx. So I have never been rich, and some years I have actually been poor, even though I have always worked ridiculously hard and no one who knows me would ever call me lazy. I have experienced great joy and satisfaction in my life as a result of the choices I have made. All I have ever done is try to do my part to make this world a little better place for those who have not had the privilege I have had whether that be as a result of their color, their ethnicity, their gender orientation, or their social class. HardcoreLibertairian, I invite you to think of what talents you may have that you might want to share with the world. Give up some of your free time-that would mean be a little more hard working and a little less lazy-and teach others something you know that can help them to help themselves improve their lives.
And if you still believe that the poor are poor because they are lazy, then you have never been to the places I have been, met the people I have met, and done good work to help those less fortunate find opportunities to make their lives better. So hop on the uptown 6 train and get off in the South Bronx. It won't take much time. It is shockingly close to Wall Street. When you get off the train, all you have to do is walk around and you will see a lot of hardworking people, there in the poorest congressional district in the country. Stop and talk to a few and listen to their stories. Then take some of that free time of yours and do something worthwhile to make the world a better place.
This all started over 30 years ago, and yes many dems have gone along for the ride but make no mistake, these ideas are rooted in conservative collectivism while they hypocritically proclaim fealty to Ayn Rand, a soviet defector who wrote ridiculous fictional accounts of impossible outcomes from improbable scenarios employing foolish caricatures of cartoonish sadists. The conservative collectivists worship at the alter of mega-multi-national-corporation profitism. Any profit is good profit, America is being sold off piece by piece under this belief system and we are seeing it's consequences, low wages and high unemployment... but somehow there's always TRILLIONS of dollars for war profiteering.... all told- America spends over a trillion dollars a year on defense, don't give me the watered down hogwash numbers that don't count the cost of caring for the fallens' families, or veterans benefits or homeland security or black projects or cia/nsa/nia/fbi/cbi/ etc... the list goes on and on and on.... By definition the POOR people don't have the money! The RICH people do! I'm a small business owner, there is not one regulation anywhere hurting my business- credit card fees? Oh yeah. Low demand because the corporations running this country have sucked all the money out of our economy like a giant sponge? Oh Yeah. Hardcore Libertarian tell us how one thing the dems have done impacted your life today in a negative fashion, if you can I'll give you ten things that they have done to make it better. Things republicans fought against. I'm not a democrat, I'm a Libertarian, but the republicans are collectivists pushing for global control of all real wealth into the hands of those without the ethical compunction to feel humanities oneness of purpose- to enjoy life and not be taken advantage of. These people see nothing wrong with stealing billions while other people starve, what does a hedge fund manager produce? He’s driving prices higher for no other reason than to generate cash flow to himself, hurting the entire economy for his own personal gain.
I know people who are going to college right now for four years, will be working their tails off and will not be rich for any part of their lives.
They pick their majors because they want to be happy with what they're doing for the rest of their lives.
Would you call them lazy because they're not making a six figure income? Not everyone puts money above human lives. Not everyone is focused on becoming a millionaire.
Being rich does not equal success. Being happy equals success.
"Ayn Rand is a crazy, fanatical who suffered from PTSD." - Pnutchuck (Couldn't have said it any better!)
Somewhat off topic, but here's a link that many of you intelligent protestors might be interested in: http://the-small-r.com/
Capitalists are collectivists. They need the government more than anyone else.
rich = obsessive greed
No, if you are in a position to print money; you make money. Why does the U.S. borrow money from the Federal Reserve -
F^#$$ Y^%%%
Bernie Madoff is poor
Totally crazy statement. Many like myself are and have been hard working Americans all our life. Some like myself have seen all we have worked for wiped out from the greed and corruption and immoral if not illegal manipulation of the housing market. There are now millions of other Americans affected by the destruction of our economy. From people who lost jobs after working for years at them, from young people who worked hard to get through school who can't find jobs and the list goes on. With your train of thought I think you may be part of the problem.
ps. Ayn Rand lived off social security in her waning years.
I'm not poor. I'm a self-employed small, growing business owner. Doing very well, thank you very much, and have pulled myself up by my bootstraps. Yes, through hard work and determination. HOWEVER, it is ludicrous to suggest everyone who is poor is lazy. Many (not all) among the 1% are using their position of power to reduce mobility between classes. The banks aren't lending, so I am having to finance everything myself, out of pocket. They got their bailout, and I am not asking for one.. just a line of credit to cover payroll. Oh well, I'll just keep paying it out of pocket and am switching to a credit union.
No one gets rich by themselves.
Society creates the environment within which certain people, working with others can become rich.
There are plenty of very hardworking poor people, and plenty of lazy rich people. The opposite is also true.
Your post is not an honest attempt to argue a point, but is entirely pejorative in tone and content. It also represents a naive faith in the 'just world' hypothesis, which is just a psychological defence mechanism against fear of uncertainty on your part.
You think your post demonstrates strength, but it really demonstrates weakness and anxiety and the moral absolutism common in very young children.
Further more, it is just mathematical nonsense as well. If everyone were rich, then the standard would raise, and no one would be rich.
No,this guy is an example of why people end up poor.
http://s3.amazonaws.com/data.tumblr.com/tumblr_ltsy3y7RJt1r25y9yo1_1280.jpg?AWSAccessKeyId=AKIAJ6IHWSU3BX3X7X3Q&Expires=1319991584&Signature=uDR%2F9NIRMuUb0ys5ZdX9eH0vde4%3D
The only thing you are hardcore, is a hardcore piece of shit.
That's so ignorant I don't even know where to begin. actually what would be the point.
POOR also Equals Uneducated too, don't ya know! grrr!
Historically the wealthy always get away with whatever they please until the common folk stop them. Is this a time to quibble about being "lazy" or not? That concept is just a diversion from the real problems. Absurd.
Work smarter, not harder!
Has anyone ever noticed how people become more lazy during a recession? Odd, isn't it? Take for example the present case. The sub-prime crisis came, the stock market collapsed, the financial sector had to beg the government for money, the economy went into a deep recession --- and suddenly, a vast wave of laziness swept across the nation! Some people became so lazy they stopped working altogether, others were lazy enough to lose their houses, and some lazily had their pay cut by their employers. It's the biggest upturn in laziness since the Great Depression. It's almost like there was some sort of causal relationship between the economy and laziness, except that I can't for the life of me see how a recession could cause laziness. It's one of nature's great mysteries ... one that no conservative will ever fathom.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9gN2hdybFY You can always tell the difference from a troll and a real libertarian, a libertarian atleast tries to convince you that they are right this goes straight to the name calling. Surprisingly honest troll here you can have bridge (please dont let any goats pass over it)
Lazy trust fund babies are rich.
It's easier to blame rich people and sit in the fucking park with shitty handmade signs pretending that you're doing something other than getting in the news.
You have failed to demonstrate that POOR=LAZY. You will have a damned time on the LSAT, if you keep up like this, you know that, right?
Everyone who is poor could be seen as lazy because they don't have the resources to do anything. Of course in reality they work harder than anyone just to get the bare minimum requirements to live. You have no respect, or understanding. That comes with being selfish and greedy. Selfish and Greedy= Jerk The real lazy people are the rich who live off of the hard work of the poor that keep the machine working. You are a useless waste considering your views.
If I had a magic wand and by waving it make everyone in the country between 18 and 65 have a Master's Degree would Wal Mart and Pizza Hut start paying everyone $60,000 a year to start? Of course not, all of those stupid low paying jobs would still be there. Today about 80,000 people work for $26,000 a year and most of them are not college students. Most have families and work to support them.
Most working people I know would rather do nothing else but NOT work, but alas, the task is at hand and no body else is gonna do it.
Hard work alone will not guarantee success. Unless you are loaded with talent, hard work is vital to success, but not the only ingredient. So being poor does not mean you are lazy. It's the same for our movement. We need to be smart in how we work to save the 99 percent. Fighting in the street with the police won't get us success. We need to go after the people who make the laws. We should be demonstrating at the White House, not Wall Street. ........ ................ ................. .................. http://www.savethe99.com/default.htm
I work hard 54 -64 hours a week I'm poor and you can kiss my smelly dillweed.
The statement that everyone who's poor is lazy is as indefensible as the statement that everyone who 's rich is energetic. People who are rich are afflicted with spasms of arrogance and entitlement, but the poor are not exempt from these feelings. Selfishness, generosity, industry, or sloth, are not exclusive to any particular class. The gap between the rich and poor is exacerbated by the very, "Protestant work ethic," that this post seems to endorse- an anomaly that remunerates material redemption at the expense of spiritual communion.
Ahh a mathematician. Tell the truth. How long did you have to hunt before you pecked that = sign.
I will forward your comments to all those LAZY people in sub-Saharan Africa. I think it will really help.
I want to walk in the streets with no pants...
This post is irresponsible nonsense. This is the only acknowledgement it deserves.
this is one of the saddest posts i've seen here.
Why are so many rich people so poor. Why are so many lazy people so rich?
Viva to sosialism and down to capitalist
that's right just drop out of high school and expect to get rich.
Are you laid off from a job? but don't want to get another one because the goverment is paying you to just sit on your ass.
Keep telling yourself this, and proudly proclaiming it publicly,. you show your true self in your lame trolling,. every action has a reaction. What goes around,. kid.
Wow. Did you really just write that equation?
I can understand this equation:
Lazy + No Motivation + No action results in being Poor. But the reverse isn't necessarily true.
Even this equation isn't always true. I've met many a 0.1% person who was beyond lazy.
It's true that everyone has to assume personal responsibility for their success or failure. But that only goes so far. You also have to have the OPPORTUNITY to be able to pursue your goals and dreams. If you pull a fish out of the water, you can't blame it for dying because it couldn't breathe. Your position would be "It should have pulled itself together and found its way back to the water. It's the fish's fault for having gotten itself into that situation". You blame the victim.
It's true that there's a lot of "victimness" in the US, but what OWS is about is making the game of capitalism a fair game. Capitalism should be about equal opportunity. Big businesses and banks are buying favoritism to the detriment of the system as a whole - especially the working classes. That's corporatism, not capitalism, and democracy can't exist in that environment.
We're talking about a big-picture systematic problem here. I have a job, and don't aim to become rich, but I DO expect to be able to make a decent living in my field. The middle-class has been on a treadmill, with unseen hands incrementally turning up the speed dial, hoping we won't notice if they do it slowly and secretively. If you want to understand how this is happening, I'd recommend you read: http://www.commondreams.org/view/2010/11/14-1 Also, you can watch a Youtube video at: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uB7jdjsFErM
The only reason you THINK that is because you are a moral DEGENERATE.
Who are you talking about?? I can't wait til you get laid off.
I know plenty of people who have worked hard all their lives and still don't have two nickels to rub together. Hard work is no guarantor of financial security. Millions of people lost their jobs in this recession, hard working people, and now, for every new job that opens up, there are 4 to 10 people seeking work. There are more people out of work than jobs.
Exactly, in order for hard work = wealth, the energy needs to applied to the right area or it will not net the wealth results you are looking for. For example, my daughter had a lot of choices to make about where to focus her energies in college. She focused them on getting good grades and finding an internship in her field. She accomplished both, and while she is not wealthy, she has graduated from college and has a good paying job in the field she wanted to work in. If she had focused that energy on running marathons instead, she'd still be living at home and probably unemployed or at least underemployed.
broken record...
How can one work when there is no work?
Automation brings wonders. A thresher can do the work of a score of serfs. I don't need them anymore. Why share? They did none of the work.
This is just stupid. Being rich requires you to make money off of other people. The richer you are, the more you have to take from others. Some people don't want to be rich for just this reason. They just want to live their lives; be a shoemaker, a builder, a teacher. But with the economy in shambles these jobs are in decline. And many people already have businesses of their own and they have to shut them down because of the economy. How many times does one have to restart a new business for you to admit that the system is broken?
Hard work is for suckers. I made 7% on my DOW triple long, overnight! Yea, I used to work a full time and part job just to be in the middle class, but I got sick of not seeing my daughter grow up. Now, I just momentum trade for me and a few clients and make more basically watching a computer screen about 4-5 hours a day than I did working 14 hour days, mostly in about 15 minutes per week. How's that 0.1% APR savings account working out for ya?
Now that is lazy.
You are a leech. You can't get rich by trading unless you make someone else poorer.
Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhh. That's just looser talk. The point of a capitalist country is to get rich. Hard work is for suckers.
I didn't hear disagreement there. So you admit that you are a leech, getting rich off of the backs of the poor?
I care about the poor (not personally of course) It would nice if they were happy.
Guess what guys? If you take away ladies raising fatherless kids, there would be virtually no poverty in America. Guess what else? The wealth gap would close to pre 1922 levels too. Maybe the problem is much closer to home and much easier to control. Men - have enough man parts to take responsibility for your sons and daughters. Don't expect Government to be the daddy. Ladies - don't be door nobs (everyone's had a turn). Don't expect Government to be your sugar daddy. The solution is in the mirror.
Wrong, there would still be too much poverty in America. There are thousands of women raising children without partners, why? Because some partners refused the responsibility, because some partners die, because partners some become incapacitated, and many other reasons.
I see from the tenor of this post that there is no shared responsibility, Ladies 'are the responsible' parties. At least someone has acknowledge that fact. Ladies are responsible...
No you are fundamentally wrong. The correct statement is:- Working hard certainly increases the CHANCE of becoming 'rich'.
And your ways of communicating show just how poor you are on personality. A Typical business man...work super hard for 10 years with cut throat tactics...spending your focus on money while losing your family/wife. Such a robot way of living. You are nothing more than a machine to speak so ignorant upon those less fortunate.
people in Africa are literally excluded from the way of life we have just so the few of us in the "FREE" world can live as we do. The rich know that under the current system we cannot support the growth of the middle class around the world unless we change the system and the Lord knows they dont want that! so whats plan A kill us all off with contrived wars while OUR sons fight and die THEY buy their sons exemption
well... that is a bit harsh.. there are hard working poor who are their way to not being poor... don't paint with too broad of brush.
If they were hard working, they would be rich.
Everyone who works hard becomes rich in less than 10 years.
All the poor are lazy.
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Herman Cain, shouldn't you be signing a book somewhere?
Why is anyone responding to the MORON who started this thread?
Can't you understand that it is some SNOT NOSE who thinks that it is funny to get a rise out of people?
They probably put boogers and feces on bathroom stall walls for heavens sake.
Hard work is for suckers. I made 7% on my DOW triple long, overnight! Yea, I used to work a full time and part job just to be in the middle class, but I got sick of not seeing my daughter grow up. Now, I just momentum trade for me and a few clients and make more basically watching a computer screen about 4-5 hours a day than I did working 14 hour days, mostly in about 15 minutes per week. How's that 0.1% APR savings account working out for ya?
F YOU for soiling the good name of libertarians.
I'm a libertarian and you are nothing but a TROLL.
Good name? I find this distinguishable only by degree from most of the libertarian arguments I get. Interspersed with some "Hayek", "natural rights", "free markets as anti-monopolistic, pro-little guy", etc...
As compared to the 'good name' of liberals - they are tolerant of everyone except for anyone who doesn't agree with them, whom they will promptly label as 'racist', 'selfish', 'bigoted'. Also, they want to redistribute wealth at the barrel of a gun, which is what government specializes in. They destroy any incentive to be productive and they crush small businesses, since they are generally run by white males, who deserve to be destroyed anyhow. Worst of all, they are just as complicit in corporatocracy and corruption as any of the conservatives, but they pretend to be 'pro-little guy'. At least they're honest about wanting a bloated, big brother government though. Too bad they don't see the hypocrisy in waging all of these endless wars and killing innocents in other countries.
Ok. Nailed us. Not.
You have no idea what it means to be liberal. You think Bill Clinton and Barack Obama are it. They are neoliberal corporatists, just like Reagan and Bush. They follow Friedman more than Keynes, and Reagan more than FDR. It's neoliberalism that's crushing small business.
I do see no problem with intolerance of intolerance.
Similarly, you have no idea what it means to be libertarian.
Libertarians do not defend corporatism in any way shape or form. Corporations are not people, unlike what was decided in the Citizens United case.
You mean you see no problem with intolerance of someone else's worldview. That's what I wrote.
Your obsession with free markets benefits corporations. Sure they pick and choose where to make libertarian arguments but you guys support them. Despite the rhetoric about individual freedom, most government regulation affects big business. They use you like tools to argue for liberty and pure free markets when it suits them, and you provide a ready-made grassroots pool for the Koch brothers and Exxon and Chase to point to whenever they need to make a political case to get government off their backs.
Liberals know that government is the only entity that's even theoretically accountable to people, not wealth, and know it's our best leverage against the oligarchy (once we take it back from them, as liberals like the Roosevelts have done in the past). You just poohpooh that and tell us to put our faith in the power of the consumer and charity. The big guys eat all this shit up and use it like a cudgel against government.
We do not agree on our worldviews. I am granting you enough respect not to accuse you of being a tool and a ready-made stooge. You aren't honoring me with the same respect in return.
I'm tired of making arguments against this behemoth corrupt, out-of-control government that is the root of these problems.
Wall street can't do crap without the consent of government, and guns, bombs, military force. Who are the real criminals here? The suits, or the uniforms?
A cudgel against government? Like the one that put Marine veteran Scott Olsen in the ICU?
The main problem with liberals is they still have faith in government after all of the abuses that they have committed.
You are right in that I have zero faith in government. I place my faith in freedom. The freedom to be a sovereign individual. The problem is, you want the government to force me to submit to your argument, but you claim it is for my own good.
The police state is a result of government having its mandate twisted to be the protection of wealth instead of people. It's only necessary because government has to put down a people that demands it stop serving the interests of the oligarchs. Government has been stolen, and I blame libertarian sentiments for letting it happen - because you're all so anti-government that you don't demand it be anything worthwhile. It will exist, and without an engaged populace it will simply be a tool for the elite. It doesn't have to be that way. It's not faith, there's historical evidence for a more just state. We need to take it back.
You blame the libertarians for government having been 'stolen'? By what possible logic?
Is it because there have been an overwhelming number of libertarians in Congress? Because they wield such widespread influence with obscure, esoteric arguments? Because there have been so many libertarian Presidents? Because they make so many policy decisions and laws? Or because rogue libertarians are lurking at their liberty-loving websites blogging away on their computers plotting to end the Federal Reserve? Oh no - it's because there are so many libertarian CEOs just lining their pockets with big bonuses and funneling money into the libertarian candidate juggernaut!
You must be a closet libertarian because it sounds like you've been smoking something that's probably illegal (but you really think it should be legal in the name of liberty).
Unbelievable. You'd be better off blaming the bogeyman.
Oh please. GFYS. "Libertarian" is an ideological tool used by those who want the freedom to rape workers, the planet, or simply just exploit the financial system without repercussion or buy their nearest politician and call it free speech. You people are deluded with the noble-sounding ideals of liberty and blind to how you're used.
Libertarian politicians? They put on that title and they'll be magically uncorrubtible? We have been moving in a libertarian direction since Reagan. I realize not pure enough for you but it never will be. But the trend is unmistakable. The fact is, more free markets and more free trade have meant more assfucking for the American people.
No free services to those lazy poor people!
No more taxation!
I bet if I came over there to kick your arse, you'd call the tax-paid police, bitch.