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Forum Post: The One Single Video that Should Be Played at Any Immigration Discussion

Posted 1 year ago on July 11, 2013, 7:37 a.m. EST by TikiJ (-38)
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90U2IqXEvSM

Sums it all up. Next time some dumb Republican wants to act all tough on this, play this for them. Then tell them to shut up and sit down.

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[-] 2 points by shadz66 (20013) 1 year ago

Cutting through the crap - that's a great video !!! Here's a not so great one !! Sorry !

''Welcome to Fredom Hall'' !!! Dynastic WASP Oligarch talks pseudo-equality !! Big Barf Bag Needed !

cave canem ...

[-] 2 points by Builder (4202) 1 year ago

You've outdone yourself again, Shadz.

Bravo.

[-] 2 points by shadz66 (20013) 1 year ago

Dubya is beyond description really but thanx 'B' and I think you probably should see this :

multum in parvo ...

[-] 1 points by TikiJ (-38) 1 year ago

These clowns that want all of this mass deportation have no clue what they are asking for. The scary part is, some of them are fine with the police and feds coming into any place to check.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBRbRMonjwY

It's only a matter of time before these checkpoints are expanding past the border areas into the entire country. Just look at what they did to the entire city of Boston over the marathon bombing.

Chicago has 10k cameras around it. Lord only knows what the number is in NYC.

Had friends in Occupy up there, posting on facebook that "The feds have declared Marshal Law and drunk college kids are in the streets cheering it".

People need to realize that we ARE IN a massive police state. This is it. And it always leads to much more repression, discrimination, hate and crime.

[-] 1 points by shadz66 (20013) 1 year ago

Russell Tice, the former intelligence analyst and an original NSA whistleblower, speaks about how the recent NSA scandal is only scratching the surface of a massive surveillance apparatus, citing specific targets that he saw spying orders for and says that the U$A is a Orwellian Police State :

Your point re. ''People need to realize that we ARE IN a massive police state. This is it. And it always leads to much more repression, discrimination, hate and crime.'' is bang on the button really. As The Empire tries to reassert abroad so it entrenches ever deeper at home and the Corporate MSM 'mind manages' US citizens into collusion and compliance with there own servitude and surveillance.

Re. your revealing video and the question ''Do Americans Have Rights ?'', hmmm ... allegedly they do - somewhere, but looking at your video link, I'm not sure where really. Kudos to the guy for his clear and principled resistance and I can't help feeling that such incidents are compliance testing for the future.

veritas vos liberabit ...

[-] 2 points by TikiJ (-38) 1 year ago

The harder teh empire clings for control, the more chaotic things get, the less control they have, the harder they come down on the people here and abroad, the more chaotic things get, the less.....

Around and around we go, in a downward spiral.

[-] 2 points by shadz66 (20013) 1 year ago

''Denouncing NSA Surveillance Isn’t Enough - We Need the Power to Stop It'', by Norman Solomon : http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article35509.htm , from which, I excerpt ...

''These days, progressives are way too deferential and nice to elected Democrats who should be confronted for their active or passive complicity with abysmal policies of the Obama White House. Another example is Al Franken, Senator from Minnesota, who declared his support for the NSA surveillance program last month: “I can assure you, this is not about spying on the American people.”

''The right-wing Tea Party types realized years ago what progressive activists and groups are much less likely to face — that namby-pamby “lobbying” gets much weaker results than identifying crucial issues and making clear a willingness to mount primary challenges.

''Progressives should be turning up the heat and building electoral capacities. But right now, many Democrats in Congress are cakewalking toward re-election in progressive districts where they should be on the defensive for their anemic “opposition” to — or outright support for — NSA surveillance.''

at spes non fracta ...

[-] 2 points by windyacres (1002) 1 year ago

The Democrats main problem is they must prevent the complete destruction of the GOP so that they can continue the game! No GOP, then they would have to bear the blame, they will not allow that to happen.

[-] 2 points by shadz66 (20013) 1 year ago

Re. Demoblicans & Republocrats - at the 'Party Level' (double entrendre and pun intended) - what is the real difference 'on the hill' ?!!! Your excellent observation bears this out !! Oy Vey !

Imagine the Venn Diagram of D&R and frankly in congress, the huge level of overlap is so large that any differences are mostly at the margin. What does it actually say about the Dems for example that they gerrymandered Dennis Kucinich out of his seat in OH ?!! I strongly recommend the following to you :

dum spiro, spero ...

[-] 1 points by windyacres (1002) 1 year ago

Great point about Kucinich, that can't be explained by any dem apologist. Now I will watch the links.

[-] 1 points by shadz66 (20013) 1 year ago

Thanx & also laying this down here : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDnS6RMFLvc for later ~*~

multum in parvo ...

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

http://inthesetimes.com/article/14970/the_5th_ward_votes

Camera's like those that were voted for in the above?

Because of crap like this:

The 72 victims were shot over the course of four days in what proved to be an especially violent holiday. The youngest victim was 5-year-old Jaden Donald, who was watching celebratory fireworks at a park when he was shot. The oldest victim was 72-year-old woman who was shot in the ankle, police told NBC Chicago.

http://rt.com/usa/chicago-holiday-weekend-shooting-792/

[-] 0 points by TikiJ (-38) 1 year ago

Furthering the police state is not going to solve the issues that are causing these murders. The police state is what is causing all of this depression and crime.

There are educational solutions and ending prohibition era laws that could easily be implemented if anyone really wanted to change things in inner cities.

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/11/chicago-marijuana-tickets_n_2456788.html

Yes. I can see how the problems revolve around small amounts of marijuana in Chicago.

So, the rest of Chicago should wait for you to get up off your ass to get around to those solutions?

It's summertime in Chicago. Tell me that the traffic cameras are a bunch of shit. I agree. Tell me that the government is spying on it's citizens via the internet, email, wiretapping etc. and is a bunch of shit. I agree. Use of drones to spy is shit? I agree. I have agreed with you in the past on the same.

Waiting for people to grasp that high stakes testing is a scam and faux privatization of the education system is a scam and the union busting in public education furthers those goals is a scam and full inclusion is a scam? The charter schools are a scam and watch for real estate scams associated with?

At the same time, trying to explain that yes, you do need a police presence in certain areas and you will need to pay them?

Again. Let me reiterate this point: It is summertime in Chicago. People have a right to walk down the street without getting shot. So, until the actual implementation of the cures for sheer stupidity can take hold, surveillance cameras will have to suffice.

[-] 0 points by TikiJ (-38) 1 year ago

"Waiting for people to grasp that high stakes testing is a scam and faux privatization of the education system is a scam and the union busting in public education furthers those goals is a scam and full inclusion is a scam? The charter schools are a scam and watch for real estate scams associated with?" I agree with all of that.

When are they going to start implementing the cures? Because the more people get killed, the more they come down on the community, the more they dehumanize them, the worse it gets. Cameras arent going to stop people from getting shot, as the 72 people who were just murdered know, and as the people in that community know.

Im not saying do nothing until then, Im just saying the overall goal of the cameras isnt to catch the bad guy, its for more control. The people who have created this monstrosity of a country love every second of it.

They look at that horrible occurrence as the perfect opportunity to implement more control. Just like 9/11.

Theres only one thing that can turn this around- the people. No politician is going save them, no supreme leader. Its going to come down to us, me and you and everyone else, and decide are we going to work together to address this power structure.

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

How high were you guys the night you came out with and no politician is going to save them? Really. I agree with the statement. This is why I have a good laugh every time these knuckleheads come out with the support the Green Party/the Justice Party............all we need is a third party. It's utter rubbish.

When are they going to start implementing the cures?

When a bunch of ya'll start listening. The unions and teachers have told you the same information for the past twenty years. The nationwide groups that have been fighting high stakes testing has been going on for years.

And Rahm gets kicked to the curb.

Prison is bad..........unless you happen to be one of the 72 people shot and now with medical expenses, loss of income from job, or paying the expenses of a funeral or left with a lifelong disability. Nonviolent crimes are not a problem unless its your car or your home. But, you know....we can dick around a few more years and pretend it's all about "prohibition".

Contrary to popular belief, crime doesn't increase with the surveillance cameras in those areas........... getting caught increases.

We do the same shit with stop and frisk. One group asks for it..........because a problem exists. Then the other side screams violation of rights..........because it exists. So, ask someone........solve that specific problem and nobody has shit to say.

We could address gun control but you saw that we had a bunch of idiots that had no idea that you could legally own a gun in Chicago. Guess you can't really fix stupid.

Whether you or anyone else chooses to see this..............undocumented workers and an influx in immigration lowers the wages. You can either have jobs or you can have undocumented workers. You can't have both and what you do have won't pay squat. Treat these people with dignity, escort them to the door and arrest the business owner, throw him/her/them in prison and take their shit. The longer that people refuse to deal with that job/lower wages issue the worse that it is going to get.

It's the details.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 1 year ago

lack of jobs is mostly due to technology

that and our jobs are dependent on a market that can always higher someone else at less money

because the property and resources are controlled by the few

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

No, Matt, it's called outsourcing. It's also called hiring undocumented workers and paying them diddlysquat and denying them any of the rights that citizens have in the name of greed. But, thanks-so-much.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 1 year ago

stop please

it's are blind commitment to capitalism that makes us into an greater supply of labor than the demand

[-] 0 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

Pffftt...........save your shit. You were done about eight months ago.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 1 year ago

as opposed to blaming the migrants for longer than I've been alive by the government ?

[-] -1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

'Nother worthless answer from your ass.

[-] 2 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 1 year ago

doesn't the government realize people see past their drama shows ?

[-] -1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

As easily as we see through yours.

[-] 0 points by TikiJ (-38) 1 year ago

Ya, I've grown tired of parties in general. I'll still help the 3rd parties with elections, because in my experience those are more "real" people than the other two.

"When a bunch of ya'll start listening. The unions and teachers have told you the same information for the past twenty years."

The thing is, we all pretty much want the same things. The majority of the public IS listening. But in this bullshit authoritarian system, we dont get to change the rules. We have to elect "leaders" who then are the ones to change it. Well, we see where that is getting us.

Honestly though, the drug trade has created so much violence in inner cities, I do think and see that its the leading cause. There's too much money it, the shit is fuckin expensive. No one is going to take a $12hr job when they can get a bag, cut it, and immediately double their money almost. Its not practical, even in a business sense.

Legalize it all and watch the price crash. Coke isnt that hard to make, same for heroin. People will set up formal things like everything else that fucks us up, and there goes the violence associated with it. Now after that here comes the ambition to get real jobs, here comes decision making that is productive, etc.

And I dont know too many who are asking for stop and frisk. They want things to change, but there is something very dehumanizing watching others be stopped for no reason, especially when they look just like you. Same for those cameras. Its dehumanizing. Especially when you know its not all over, its only there because "this place is fucked up" and you know damn well the people in charge have no intentions of trying to help fix it.

"Contrary to popular belief, crime doesn't increase with the surveillance cameras in those areas........... getting caught increases."

Honestly, no one gives a damn about those cameras. No one even cares about getting caught. Going away is just part of the game. I'm not saying that the more cameras equals more violence as a direct correlation, but the cameras are part of a security state being implemented instead of solving the problem (and I still believe its because they dont want to fix the problem, because that would lead to real integration and more unity).

IMO the media tends to find a few people on each fringe, use them, and then the hacks/activists that are on TV use them to further points, while the rest of us cant understand why no one can talk this shit out.

[-] 2 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/bronx/mother-bronx-teen-killed-gunfire-supports-stop-and-frisk-article-1.1332752

^^^^People like that. Although, you are more inclined to find it coming from business owners. That paper, owned by the antiChrist, couldn't wait to find someone of color who was in favor----acknowledged. The deal is that it represents something that is being done.

If nobody gave a damn about cameras then they wouldn't have voted for them and lights. Here is the money, here are the options, how do you want it spent.

You can't say, poor peeps in prison, no gun control, no services, no, no, no and especially no to that.

http://theboweryboys.blogspot.com/2009/03/beware-40-thieves-very-first-gang-of.html

It's called--have shit will take. In fact, the Black Hand was formulated on that. Legalizing drugs is still going to land the same group in prisons but for not being licensed.

Cabrini Green became a shit hole when they stopped screening residents and pulled maintenance and police services.

Last time I checked, unless you have altered your stance, you wanted the destruction of the department of education and felt that all that was necessary was paper, pencil, books and a classroom and did not support tenure or the union. So, we have some major differences that are exploited by the those that seek to profit.

I still haven't found a use for msm unless it's to pull occasionally for legislation.

[-] -2 points by houston10 (-7) 1 year ago

72 people shot and not one protest, but we'll have riots if Zimmerman gets off, which he probably will.

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

Dude they have marches against violence all the time.

[-] -2 points by houston10 (-7) 1 year ago

Can you name any of the 72 people off the top of your head? Ever hear of 18 year old Mario Lopez of Brooklyn? Why so much national outrage for one case and a collective yawn for all the others? Maybe TikiJ is right and it's all show business.

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

You want to talk about what a douche bag Zimmerman was? That's where this is going? Grow the fuck up.

[-] -2 points by houston10 (-7) 1 year ago

No. This is more about how sad it is that so many kids are killed and we just gloss it over. Now, go fuck yourself dipshit.

[-] 2 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

Nah, this is more about you jumping around trying to locate a legitimate argument and having failed to provide one because you're a dirtbag.

[-] -3 points by houston10 (-7) 1 year ago

Nice. Fuck off you drunken redneck. You're making me glad I'm gay.

[-] 2 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

You're making me glad your gay...........hillbilly.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (27542) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

GF !!! That was awful - and I am sure all gay people would agree - that they don't want "it" associated with them.

[-] 2 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

Oh, jeeze, of course they wouldn't.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (27542) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Consensus - good. {:-])

[-] -1 points by TikiJ (-38) 1 year ago

The media runs this joint.

If the media says something is important, then its important.

If they say something is popular, then its popular.

If they someone is good, that person is good. Bad is bad.

They tell us what to eat, wear, drink, think, drive, believe and behave.

Manufactured Consent on Steriods.

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