Forum Post: The Occupy Wallstreet Movement needs specifics!
Posted 12 years ago on Oct. 19, 2011, 10:47 a.m. EST by pw1539
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- Occupy Wall Street can not be bought out! this includes politicians, Unions, Interest groups,whatever.
- OWS needs a specific goal. This goal needs to be the trust busting of banks and other monopolized and or racketeered industries.
- OWS is for the people, by the people. We, as ancient rome would put it, are the plebeians, versus the patricians. This is class warfare, and we can trust only the 99%.
- This means, OWS goals of changing wall street must be done through an overhaul. The possibilities that this can be accomplished through the system is slim to none.
- Having said this, the constitution is our foreground, we need to seek after it. If we defeat the 1%, we must be sure that we set up a system in concordance to the constitution, and build off of it.
- This is the most important-- OWS must seek the entirety of the 99%. This is not a matter of Reps. Vs. Dems. We cannot be split, otherwise, we are hopeless.
- Political ideology has no place in the values of the public yet. government has really become an institution that is working for itself, and not for the American people.
the specifics are a revolution. a revolution of the whole system. that is hard to specify. it is connected. the unemployed, the war, the poverty. it all has to change. 3 or 4 demands?
This is just explaining it in a way anyone can get it. The banks should not be able to create money. It is a big conning trick.
Chaos followed by revolution that is their hope
The money used to be made by the government and they could print more interest free. The banks took that power and started to print their own money. They lend this to the governments with interest. They make new money whenever you take a loan. The government can make its own money but the politicians refuse to do so. Instead they borrow from the banks with interest. We can make the politicians take the money issuing powers away from the banks. Just a simple law to be made. Make it so.
I believe this is much more complex than that. And also, who is actually going to enforce this or stand for it? If the system is against us, can we actually trust it to do anything for us without somehow skewing it through loopholes or earmarks?
Specifics that are real and actionable:
1) Moratorium on foreclosures of single-family, residential properties;
2) Loan modifications for mortgages where the value of the home is below the mortgage (they wrote these mortgages on false assumptions, estimates, and apprails; this is necessary to stabilize housing);
3) Student Loan Amnesty;
4) Wall St. Transaction Tax on the Exchange (Selling, Buying, etc.) of all Financial Instruments (I am taxed when I buy, sell my car, house, groceries, bike, etc.; Wall St. should be taxed like everyone else); and
5 is VERY important! We started off with highly noble and fair ideals, but we lost our way. I think the constitution (original) is a good starting place. But I think we shall need to tweak it nevertheless.
Of course, the constitution was only signed by 39 of the 55 men that were required to sign. it was illegal at the time. Was it good? for the most part yes. but it was not complete. Having said this as well, we must follow their examples and upend something that has truly become evil, and restart. If we do this, America can be great again. But America will never be great if it is only serving the interests of a few select men.
Well said. The very reason we created America as a unification of individual states was because of oppression. Now we face a larger enemy, well-hidden, sinister, and unpredictable. I think if we take the same idea we had with America and create a United Federation of Nations (that works), we could settle disputes between nations and have enough money made from external defense systems and weaponry to give our people the benefits they deserve and have a right to.
Solutions are complex, but this idea of defeating elites should be universal. The only thing holding us back are Americans and citizens of the world themselves. Media is tainted, and people need to understand this. Albert Einstein said it best when he said, "Intellectuals solve problems, geniuses prevent them." In this case, we must do both.
It's just very difficult to solve a problem when the very foundation is broken as well.
correct. the whole society is in troble. look at the amount of people in jail? this is never discussed but they are not there by accident. usa leads world in people in jail per capita. then you have the poverty, the wars, the greed. Is taxing the rich going to change this. WE have to change who is rich, what is rich.
I think money should just be thrown out. We need to install a new world system of compensation, because many of the problems, however political, really comes down to money and the ability to hide it.
We need a completely visible, traceable, and fair currency that is the same worldwide.
I would say stained, but not broken. It is fixable, but people need to understand history, and understand what the REAL America is all about. History is our greatest friend, and we can learn from it, if we listen.
I've been doing intense research of the history of every government in this world. So far, every one of them has failed except for the societies of the native americans.
Democracy in Greece was just like it is today - rotten to the core because of the influence of the aristocracy. We have the same thing here now, except in the guise of big businesses.
And yes, it is very fixable, but I still think we can learn what not to do from history, not only what to do.
Exactly. I am not claiming i have the answers because i do not. But, i sure as hell know where to start. There is no other way we can fix, plain and simple. Ill check into the Native American societies for sure though, because this requires more thought than just taking out elites and hoping that the overhaul will not be as corrupt as this group here and now. You have a form of email?
No individual has all the answers, but through equality and an open voice, we can come to respect one another. Native americans lived in enlightened peace. their basic social and political structure was based off this one, seemingly unimportant rule : "Do unto others as you would have done unto you." If you were to treat others horribly, they believed you were treating yourself horribly.
Thus, there was no animosity, no selfish greed, no hatred. Of course you will have the drudges of every society but none of which who are forced to be criminals in order to survive or out of some hatred because of how they were treated.
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exactly. society has encouraged criminal-ism and taking advantage of people to better themselves. I believe the constitution was made on the intent that people are naturally good, but can be tarnished by that one bad seed. heres a quote from Jefferson that foresees this in our govenment and any government "Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms of government those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny."
Completely true. I stand by my words before - every problem in this world, whether it be geopolitical, social, economic, will always break down to a spiritual problem. A problem of our character, attitude, and the very way we function.
Consider this quote from Confucius :) "If the government seeks to rule by decree, and to maintain order by the use of punishment, the people will seek to evade punishment and have no sense of shame. But if government leads by virtue and governs through the rule of propriety, the people will feel shame and seek to correct their mistakes."