Forum Post: The Obama Administration Caught Lighting the Constitution On Fire
Posted 12 years ago on Dec. 19, 2011, 1:01 a.m. EST by TrevorMnemonic
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To all those who think the provisions in the NDAA bill won't be abused just remember that you're trusting the ability to detain American citizens without trial to the same ass clowns who told you Iraq had weapons of mass destruction and that Iraq wanted to use those weapons against the USA.
Remember?
The WMD's that didn't even exist?
Yeah don't let these fools have this kind of power.
Human Rights Watch said that by signing the bill Obama would go down in history as the president who enshrined indefinite detention without trial in US law.
This is why the puppet masters selected Obama, to provide a soothing voice and progressive facade for the destruction of America.
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What a phrase. Actually, I never saw the video -- is this what it predicted?
In addition we also have the presidency deception -- the puppet masters have all the power and the democracy deception -- a psyopped fake democracy with an illegitiment impossible to verify voting system.
Yes it did. It's actually very entertaining. You can't give it too much credence though, but definitely a little credence.
Also Fortunate Son by Credence Clear Water Revival is essentially what the Occupy movement is about. Fun fact. History often repeats itself.
I'll check it out. There are many websites/arguments that are only 40-60% worthwhile, but one can still learn from them.
http://osixs.org/Rev2_menu_commonsense.aspx
All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent. Thomas Jefferson
long time no see. Have you seen the new website?
http://www.the99declaration.org/
Good to see ya !! Had some computer issues - resolved. No, I hadn't seen the site; but now I'm posting there too. Really looks good and has a lot of info - Thanx
Cheers
What is the difference between the NDAA and the Military Commission Act or the other laws that the Bush administration used to lock up US citizens like Jose Padilla? Hasn't the government already been doing this shit for years?
According to my senator's office - Yes.
And I'm not certain in regards to HR 6166. I'm younger and I've recently dove into this crazy pool of information.
This is the best article I've ever read.
NSA, Espionage, and a technology called ThinThread with the power to analyze all information in real time and spy on just about everyone. Then the patriot act came about. http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2011/05/23/110523fa_fact_mayer?currentPage=all
A new effort has been started to Occupy The Constitution. This effort launches a new Direct Democracy tool called the National Opinion Collection System ( NOCS ). This tool creates a process to capture ALL the comments of EVERY citizen about major social issues, elections and bills before congress. This effort is described at http://occupywallst.org/forum/occupytheconstitution-introduction
sounds like ThinThread and the patriot act BA DOOMP CHH!!
Only a Nazi could explain it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qU6IlWOT2Tw
With Obama, the nation wont go with a bang....but with a whimper..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EewGMBOB4Gg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Z9WVZddH9w
Its all about Democracy! When Democracy Dies http://planetponzi.com/?p=1203 Prevent draconian legislation. Pass this on! Thanks a Million
I have an even more frightening thought for you. Most politicians are LAWYERS!
Obama will go down in history as the President who accomplished what Adolf Hitler, Josef Stalin, Mao Tse Tung, Ho Chi Minh, and Fidel Castro could not do. Barack Obama destroyed the USA. Without Habeas Corpus and Posse Comitatus, there is no USA. If you dissolve all the laws upon which a nation is founded, that nation no longer exists.
You have to think very carefully about something.
Knowing full well that his chances for re-election are only 50/50, why would Obama sign the NDAA when Newt or Mitt may inherit the ultimate, unchecked, dictatorial power in one year?
Why are Fox News and other Republicans not screaming against a Democratic President having the power to arrest Republicans?
What dark forces are at work? Could it be that the Democrats & Republicans are just quarreling children, but share the same parents? Who are the parents?
He signed it because he is a wolf in sheep's clothing. The Progressive Liberals eat that like cinnamon buns, refusing to believe their idol has feet made of clay. Yes, they share the same parents...Goldman Sachs is King Daddy, any suggestions on Queen Mommy? Pick a global bank.
Obama has indeed signed it? I haven't see that verified yet. Do you have a link to a .gov site to substantiate his signing of 1867?
Google
http://occupywallst.org/forum/day-ten-of-ndaa-not-being-signed-when-is-that/#comment-538479
Oh, please don't bother the people here with the suggestion that there could be dark forces at work. 98% are completely ignorant and even refuse to acknowledge that the United States is indeed owned by those who hold the Bankruptcy Instruments and Congress is the defacto Trustee of the proceedings and owned just as well.
I guess all these people think all these wars we've constantly been engaged in have somehow been funded by wealth US citizens have created when in fact, the 1871 bankruptcy on the civil war debt still hasn't been discharged, nor that debt paid.
Judge Napolitano on Fox News is the only news show I'm aware of to rail against the NDAA. Well the Daily Show did a 3 minute segment about it. Other than that... I don't know.
Personally I'm not worried about Romney. Sure I disagree with 95% of the guys game plan... but I don't feel like he's a heartless bastard. I do feel if Newt became president... he'd be America's first dictator. He actually openly talks about it. He want to appoint judges that do everything he says and said he'll disregard any court system he disagrees with.
He also openly declares an entire religion as the enemy. That is scary when you think about "associated forces" provisions of the NDAA
Good post !!!! Kudos !! I couldn't agree more!
silly question-the Zionists of course
Yet every single lib out there will vote for him again to continue his false promises and BS policies that continue to kill the economics of our country. Just a question, what has Obama contributed to the greatness of our country? What has he done? Please don't waist your time talking about the health care bill as every single member of his party that is up for re-election is running so far away from it he appears to be on his own island now.
Grandma Got Indefinitely Detained (A Very TSA Christmas)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ek1uqrwLmQk
Lol, you all crack me up with this NDAA argument. Even the ACLU has come out now and said that it is nothing more than cosmetic to already existing laws.
Do they directly say that regardless, it is trumped by Emptywheel, making SB1867 a mere formality to flaunt in the face of Americans to test their pulse of acceptance?
I think there point was that it is already in the Patriot Act.
Ummm there are two, one "unofficial act"
Check out emptywheel
It essentially makes it into written law and goes much further than the previous capabilities. My senators office told me "the government has been able to do this for a while." Which in no way makes the situation any better.
No and that's my point. All the rage is focused on this bill which even if it didn't pass, doesn't change the fact that it is already written in the Patriot Act. The focus is in the wrong place. If this bill were to go away today, the fact remains by law, they could still do the same thing.
Yes but as i said, what they've done in the past is manipulation of previous court rulings. There were no laws on the books saying it's cool specifically. Unless you can find some that are more blatantly obvious than section 1031.
The point is people are aware of it now. And the outrage was to get them to put it in the books saying IT IS NOT COOL. They had the chance to restore the 5th and 6th amendment and they chose not to even after public outrage. Well maybe not public... more like a couple hundred people making phone calls. I went to my senators office with a few people. Most people just don't give a fuck. It's sad really. The worst is how people are spun into thinking it's a good thing.
The TSA could be coming to your town next.
Police State! Random stops and searches coming soon! I love how they try and spin it to make it sound like a good thing. What's next? Random strip searches? They'll try and spin it and say, "Well the strip searches really help us stop terrorism. You see the terrorists can hide all kinds of things that a metal detector won't see and that a pat down won't feel. Could you imagine if we would have strip searched Timothy McVeigh? He would have never been able to blow up that building." Bullshit. Don't buy into the governments fascist fear mongering.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13KLp4aoOq0
You're a sperm gargling liar, Troll Tinhorn. This is right from the ACLU website:
http://www.aclu.org/blog/tag/NDAA
Ok so that says they don't like it, all I said was that they said on C-SPAN that is only added cosmetics to already existing law. Also, please give me a link to where it says the military can detain U.S. citizens indefinatly? I have been asking that question for over two weeks now and thus far all I've gotten back is crickets. By the way, the Patriot Act has far worse verbage in it than the NDAA, I can email you a copy of both if you would actually like to read them.
there is a part that says "until the end of hostilities." And that is even if you're found to be innocent. Which is indefinitely.
Direct quotes from senators
"And when they say, 'I want my lawyer,' you tell them, 'Shut up. You don't get a lawyer." -Senator Lindesey Graham in regards to indefinite military detention provision under the new laws in the NDAA of 2011, S. 1867, in regards to section 1031.
"Congress is essentially authorising the indefinite imprisonment of American citizens, without charge," she said. "We are not a nation that locks up its citizens without charge." Senator Dianne Feinstein
Video with senator Lindsey Graham who fully supports the new provisions http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzFygkHgi34&list=LLEwSllwonAZBCc7W3e27_dQ&index=11&feature=plpp_video
Cool video on the bill http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TaeZoufcFW8&list=FLEwSllwonAZBCc7W3e27_dQ&index=4&feature=plpp_video
And I'm telling you that the Patriot Act already says that, this bill did nothing more than reconfirm what the Patriot Act already does. The bill also says that it does the ability of the Military to detain does not extend to U.S. Citizens (Section D, Sub 1031.
What's your point? The entire point is the senate had the ability to change how the system works. They had the chance to fully restore the 5th and 6th amendment to US citizens. But they chose to go even further. Military operations on US soil.
I'd hold off on that until you see what has been signed. The last understanding on that was Obama wanted the section removed that protected American Citizens on our soil and it was done so by subjugating the language you refer to with other less clear and deceptive word art whose actual meaning null and voids Section D Sub 1031.
BTW... I don't believe the Patriot Act allows American or NATO military to capture and detain American Citizens on our soil. Please prove that to me.
You may want to investigate Harvard Law Review's opinion on the bill as it currently exists.
It has happened twice. once in 2003 and once in 2007 (I think on the second one). The first one was arrested in NYC and sent to GITMO, he was eventually turned over to DOJ in like 2005. Second one was arrested in the mid-west and sent to GITMO. As far as I know, he is still there or has been transfered to a military brig in the US. I will look at the case studies at work in the morning and give you the details. The case studies were both used in a debate about the legality of the power and reach of FISA Courts. In both cases, the FISA Courts authorized the arrests. In one of the cases the guy who was arrested was initially taken into custody by the FBI and was turned over to the military because Bush wrote a letter ordering DOJ to turn the US Citizen over to the military so that he may be held as a detainee and they did.
I am curious if the term "arrest" is a revealing difference, that and a court authorizing the arrest and charges.
Under what Constitutional Article do the FISA courts operate? Obviously not Article III.
Thanks, my guess is it will be happening with some large numbers soon. The BSA people I know tell me on the order of 800,000+ before fall of next year.
http://www.goarmy.com/careers-and-jobs/browse-career-and-job-categories/legal-and-law-enforcement/internment-resettlement-specialist.html
I do believe there is funding for another 100,000 troops to be added and the current total of active duty is very close to 10 mil, with most being covert and tied in with BSA.
http://mediamatters.org/research/201105240031
cell numbers ending with "0 or 1's" usually are first responders with "00" or "000" typically always being somebody other than joe average cit. Chassis Overload digits since initial patriot business.