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Forum Post: Day Ten of NDAA not being signed, when is that?

Posted 2 years ago on Dec. 25, 2011, 9:57 a.m. EST by FrogWithWings (1367)
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If ten days pass without it being veto'd, does it not become law just as if it had been signed? How does that work, for I am but a caveman and these modern and sophisticated ways confuse and frighten me.

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[-] 1 points by XXAnonymouSXX (455) 2 years ago

It becomes a pocket veto I think. It makes it look like he didn't want it but he gets it anyway. I think anyway. Can anyone confirm that?

[-] 1 points by FrogWithWings (1367) 2 years ago

Who knows, I'd like to for sure

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[-] 1 points by FrogWithWings (1367) 2 years ago

Well, nobody seems to be in too big a hurry, the lobbying factions retired most all congresspersons debts upon their arrival to DC and they are all at least 2%ers that couldn't give a ratsass damn about anyone beneath them.

I wish the money trail could be broken down, especially for all who voted "yea".

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[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (34903) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

This is why we are here this is why you are needed.

http://occupywallst.org/forum/inside-job-documentary/

Share, circulate, educate, inspire.

[-] 1 points by Windsofchange (1044) 2 years ago

I wondering if this could be a pocket video as well. Gov tracker and other like sites are not indicating that President Obama signed it. http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h112-1540

Let's all keep our fingers crossed and if you are the praying kind--say a pray.

[-] 1 points by FrogWithWings (1367) 2 years ago

It states being "presented to President December 21, 2011".

I'm guessing he has 10 days starting then.

[-] 1 points by Windsofchange (1044) 2 years ago

Why was it just presented to him then when it passed Congress on December 14th? I know that they were itching to get him to sign it. You would think they would have given it to him well before the 21st of December.

So, I guess it will be signed by Jan 2nd or 3rd. We shall see.

[-] 1 points by FrogWithWings (1367) 2 years ago

A week for them to fold 1000 pages into airplanes and fly them all over illustrates how badly the Industrial Military Complex and the swift Insider Trading Info couriers are actually needed running congress proper. It seems obvious to be the next obvious step in establishing true fascism. What day did congress adjourn?

[-] 1 points by Windsofchange (1044) 2 years ago

According to what I read they adjourned on December 21st (the same day they gave Pres. Obama the bill.). Congress won't be back from recess until January 17th. I am really hoping for a pocket veto, but sadly you are right about the fact that they are establishing a fascist state. Our congress will vote for fascist bills that rip our Bill of Rights to shreds, but anything that helps the average joe out there get a break in this economy--they will never pass. Sigh!

[-] 1 points by FrogWithWings (1367) 2 years ago

Have you ever noticed the highly detailed throne of fascism in which Lincoln is seated as found in his memorial?

Bundled rods, symbolism found throughout DC's government, support the arm rests.

[-] 1 points by Windsofchange (1044) 2 years ago

No, I can't say that I noticed that.

Hem, it has piqued my curiosity--I will look that up when I get off this site.

[-] 1 points by FrogWithWings (1367) 2 years ago

http://www.barefootsworld.net/index.html

You'll find lots of interesting facts here.

[-] 1 points by Windsofchange (1044) 2 years ago

It's a done deal. Obama signed it yesterday. Oh, God help us all. This is just so messed up.

[-] 1 points by Windsofchange (1044) 2 years ago

Thanks. I appreciate that.

[-] 1 points by FrogWithWings (1367) 2 years ago

Well, here we are, what's the word?

[-] 1 points by BlueRose (1437) 2 years ago

There is no way in hell Obama can sign NDAA if he wants to get reelected.

[-] 1 points by FrogWithWings (1367) 2 years ago

Who says he cares if he's re-elected? With this or emptywheel, it would be easy enough, even with a natural disaster, for all bets to be off and no 2012 election.

I certainly know him being re-elected would be a very great evil. You don't believe that? Pray tell, why has this man, who allegedly knows the Constitution as well, or better than most in the US, quoted as saying our Constitution is flawed, yet has never once proposed an Article V Convention to meet with the people and change it?

[-] 1 points by ARod1993 (2420) 2 years ago

Update: the ten-day period does not include Sundays (of which there have been two-the 18th and today) and thus the clock runs out on the NDAA tomorrow, not today or yesterday

[-] 1 points by PublicCurrency (1387) 2 years ago

I have read that if the President does not sign it and Congress has adjourned then it does not become law. I don't know if that is true.

[-] 1 points by ARod1993 (2420) 2 years ago

That's true; what I'm not sure about is whether the 2011 session has actually ended or whether they're going to meet one last time on the 27th. If the session is over and nothing happens by the 26th, then the bill dies. If they're coming back on the 27th, then it's no longer that simple.

[-] 1 points by FrogWithWings (1367) 2 years ago

I'm hungry, where the hell am I?

[-] 1 points by JadedCitizen (4277) 2 years ago

America, the home of feast or famine.

[-] 0 points by FrogWithWings (1367) 2 years ago

Thank you for helping me line up the horizon, I may have been doing a loopy loop barrel roll tail spin. I have regained my bearings, thanks again.

Now I think I'll go eat!

[-] 1 points by JadedCitizen (4277) 2 years ago

Have you tried FrogWithWingsSoup? I hear it is delicious.

[-] 1 points by TheEvilFuckaire (208) 2 years ago

French food like frog legs came out of necessity. Read about their revolution if you have not already done so. The royal family in France made the 1% look like angels.

[-] 1 points by JadedCitizen (4277) 2 years ago

Can I get some French Fries with that history lesson?

[-] 0 points by FrogWithWings (1367) 2 years ago

As a matter of fact, I had some for xmas dinner while listening to fine semi-aged cannibals. I was very good, I think I'll have some ribs removed.

[-] 0 points by JadedCitizen (4277) 2 years ago

Speaking of listening to fine semi-aged cannibals, I thought you might like to know I'm starting my own music band -- FrogWithWigs....

[-] 0 points by FrogWithWings (1367) 2 years ago

I'm honored, I hope it is rock n roll leaning towards heavy.

[-] 1 points by JadedCitizen (4277) 2 years ago

Nah, more like Fraggle Rock....

[-] 1 points by FrogWithWings (1367) 2 years ago

Ok, do me proud.

[-] 1 points by JadedCitizen (4277) 2 years ago

You're a good sport, despite what Kermit says about you.

[-] 0 points by FrogWithWings (1367) 2 years ago

He's still pissed because I beat that bad wrap against Ms Piggy where she thought she'd get me railroaded because I'm just as much a pervert as she is. She still waddles funny.

[-] 1 points by JadedCitizen (4277) 2 years ago

I want to be a wrap artist like LL Cool J....give it a second, you'll get it.

[-] 0 points by HarryCrew07 (433) 2 years ago

Was it in one of those new Nissan Trucks? I know the commercial says its fantasy, but I believe!

[-] 0 points by FrogWithWings (1367) 2 years ago

It did smell like sushi and I ate two large buckets of it.

[-] 1 points by ARod1993 (2420) 2 years ago

Sorry, what?

[-] 0 points by FrogWithWings (1367) 2 years ago

Just goofing off.

[-] 1 points by 4TheHumanSocietyProject (504) 2 years ago

I think this bill needs to be passed. No one will act until they see the truth of this worlds lies.

[-] 3 points by nomdeguerre (1775) from Brooklyn, NY 2 years ago

It would benefit the world to see the true horror of our miligovernment. But it might not benefit us.

Obama is a fraud. Obama deception. Constitution deception. Democracy deception.

[-] 1 points by 4TheHumanSocietyProject (504) 2 years ago

that is where is disagree. The media wants views. us getting arrested will make them money. Greed will help us in this situation.

[-] 1 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 2 years ago

It's only after we lose everything that we're free to do anything. - Tyler Dirden, Fight Club

I hope we don't have to lose everything first.

[-] 1 points by jimmycrackerson (940) from Blackfoot, ID 2 years ago

Some of us already have

[-] 1 points by 4TheHumanSocietyProject (504) 2 years ago

Amen. We hope for the best but expect the worst!

[-] 1 points by owsleader2011 (304) 2 years ago

Freedom is ONLY another word for nothing left to lose - Janis Joplin

You never had freedom, you only had an illusion ... the entire post 1970's TCP-IP was designed by DARPA so that idiots would type in their own dossier, now mission accomplished, now DARPA-DOD can fine tune their baby so they can control content and minds of all you fuck-heads.

It's game over.

You all want freedom??

INVENT YOUR OWN INTERNET... Don't USE the DOD

IMHO the world will now fragment, not unlike tower-of-babel, as in the future, why would 'free' countrys even bother with the USA-DOD-TCP?? Why?

[-] 1 points by jimmycrackerson (940) from Blackfoot, ID 2 years ago

it should be called the department of offense. fukin dr gero thinks he can just take over the whole world with his red ribbon army? It's about nigh time for some divine intervention...that's what I say.

[-] 1 points by ARod1993 (2420) 2 years ago

Why does this bill need to be passed? Honestly, it would be much better if the bill got pocket vetoed, Congress convened an emergency session, and the bill resulting from that session would fund DoD as needed while the more interesting provisions that have people up in arms fail to be enacted.

[-] 2 points by 4TheHumanSocietyProject (504) 2 years ago

Because the world needs change. The government will ultimately make that happen by forcing us to quit putting up with them.

[-] 1 points by ARod1993 (2420) 2 years ago

In short, you're figuring that the only way things are going to turn around is if things get so bad that there are revolts in the streets and an open overthrow of the government? I understand what you're saying, but I feel like necessary reforms can be enacted and should be championed without the collateral damage associated with forcible regime change.

[-] 1 points by 4TheHumanSocietyProject (504) 2 years ago

I understand. I tried everything to prevent this bill from passing. I voted on the website against it. However, this government has grown to big due to our lack of care. This bill will probably be passed no matter what. This governemtn already forces us beyond our rights as humans. People just ignore it and say fuck it.

[-] 1 points by HarryCrew07 (433) 2 years ago

Well, The NDAA is actually the budget for the military. It doesn't normally include extensions to the Authorization of the Use of Military Act, but an NDAA has been passed annually for the last 50 years almost.

[-] 2 points by ARod1993 (2420) 2 years ago

I know; what I want to see is the extension of the AUMF dropped and a pure NDAA passed.

[-] 1 points by HarryCrew07 (433) 2 years ago

Interestingly enough: technically speaking, according to the War Powers Resolution, the section in the NDAA which includes the extension of the AUMF is not legal. Check out the wording.

[-] 1 points by ARod1993 (2420) 2 years ago

If the bill is not acted on within ten days after being passed by both houses of Congress, then one of two things happens. If Congress is in session when the ten days are up, the bill becomes law. If both houses have adjourned and the bill is not acted on within ten days, then it's a pocket veto. The bill was passed to the president on the 14th, and I believe everything adjourned on the 23rd, so the bill would have expired on the 24th and that would have been a pocket veto.

[-] 0 points by ZenDog (13536) from South Burlington, VT 2 years ago

does the fact of a national holiday come into play here?

[-] 1 points by ARod1993 (2420) 2 years ago

I'm not sure; the question is whether they're done for the year (end-of-session) or whether it's an intra-session recess and (as per usual) they have someone on hand to receive bills that don't get signed. If both Houses are done for the year and there's nobody on hand to receive unsigned bills, then the NDAA is dead. I'm not completely sure this is the case; they may be coming back on the 27th (at which point I believe it's a veto but it can be overridden) or they may not, at which point the NDAA is dead.

[-] 1 points by FrogWithWings (1367) 2 years ago

Well, Obama is on vacation and apparently spending tax payer dollars instead of his own. Somebody find out the answer before I go lock myself in a detainee facility.

[-] 0 points by ZenDog (13536) from South Burlington, VT 2 years ago

this is interesting.

I'm tempted to go look over the bill in its entirety - just out of curiosity.

I suspect Congressional chaos if this bill is dead.

Somehow I find that gratifying - and I have no idea what the consequences might be.

; )

[-] 1 points by ARod1993 (2420) 2 years ago

This is very interesting; I don't know exactly how much money DoD is getting in this bill, how soon they need it, or what the outcome of this might be. If it's dead, I figure you're right about uproar on the Hill (and possibly in the Pentagon as well) and I have no clue what happens next.

[-] 0 points by ZenDog (13536) from South Burlington, VT 2 years ago

I do believe that if this bill is dead, the Occupy Movement and our advocacy must have played some roll.

Not that we are the sum, the total, of considerations - but certainly a significant percentage of them.

I like that.

[-] 1 points by FrogWithWings (1367) 2 years ago

Well, I'm glad to have asked the question simply because I'm not sure what the deal is with the holiday situation and such possibly being a factor.

You should indeed read the whole bill and keep in mind that the DOD has given bazillions of dollars worth of hardware to many local yet now para-military police forces soon to be seamlessly melded into the de facto military, Bloomberg is reported to have a frickin nuclear? submarine patrolling NYC's harbors, and the simple fact is, if they need the money, let's do something wiser with resources already paid for by raped taxpayers.

[-] 0 points by ZenDog (13536) from South Burlington, VT 2 years ago

well, you know, I've addressed this in the past - I don't mind seeing local law enforcement getting their hands on out dated or unwanted military hardware - providing of course that it is not equipment of the same standard as the Remington 700 model -

you know - the one that is apt to fire when touching the safety?

And I don't mind because there is a war on drugs - and we can see the bloodshed south of our border, creeping ever northward.

Besides, if shit really does hit the fan, having the PD so equipped simply means there will be more opportunity to subvert the hands in possession of the necessary equipment . . .

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (34903) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Don't forget to petition the Justice Department to start prosecuting the economic criminals. There has to be accountability.

This is why we are here this is why you are needed.

http://occupywallst.org/forum/inside-job-documentary/

Share, circulate, educate, inspire.

See also people from all walks of life, from all over the political map "not" supporting a party or leader or group of leaders but "supporting an Ideal".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2Bgqt1YYko

[-] -1 points by owsleader2011 (304) 2 years ago

WHY? WHY does this need to be passed?

Because the US CONGRESS aka ISRAEL/AIPAC is losing control of the debate.

Once NDAA goes into effect then ALL anti-israel debate can be censored form the internet, or anything else the US CONGRESS ( criminals ) find offensive to their 1% lifestyles.

[-] 1 points by bill1102inf2 (357) 2 years ago

thats never going to happen. just watch

[-] 0 points by irsfaggot (171) 2 years ago

The NSA/CIA/DOD owns the internet TCP/IP what makes you think they will not block offensive content, once the tools for such are in place, then they can simply state "Were following the Law", its a great tool for totalitarianism.

[-] 1 points by bill1102inf2 (357) 2 years ago

the same reason they are not filling up the so called FEMA camps with so called enemies of the state