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Forum Post: The National Bar Association Reacts

Posted 7 years ago on July 16, 2013, 11:13 a.m. EST by shoozTroll (17632)
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"Washington, DC, July 14, 2013 - We are extremely disappointed by the verdict in the case of State of Florida v. George Zimmerman. As lawyers we respect the rule of law, but in this instance the Zimmerman verdict sadly highlights the continued injustices Black Americans face in the U.S. legal system. "


These are experts. Not armchair observers.



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[-] -1 points by BlackRepublic (-33) from East Windsor, CT 7 years ago

A kangaroo court isn't justice. It's just moral corruption and theft.

[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 7 years ago


Florida has become one big kangaroo court.

I guess you get it now?

[+] -4 points by BlackRepublic (-33) from East Windsor, CT 7 years ago

What I get is the level of hatred. Because nobody is complaining about all those cases that occurred in the months and years prior in which a black man successfully used a SYG defense.

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 7 years ago

Was that in Africa? I have heard that in some parts of the world a black individual may actually try to defend them-self.

[-] -2 points by BlackRepublic (-33) from East Windsor, CT 7 years ago

In many places a blackman can, yes. FL is one of them. But don't try it in NY because you're catching a bid. You're catching a bid in NY and you're gonna cop to the lesser.

[-] -1 points by OccupyNews (1220) 7 years ago

If you fall for the" It was murder, not murder" meme, than you may already be on the wrong path. Zimmerman did plenty wrong before the murder occurred, and that is being thrown off to the side for more bloodlust discussion.

[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 7 years ago

Did you have to take a course in not making sense?

I would have to suppose that it's a prerec. to a job at FLAKESnews or the Limbaugh show.

These are lawyers, disappointed in the current state of judiciary.

[-] -1 points by OccupyNews (1220) 7 years ago

You can live in the all or nothing world as presented to you by both the neo cons and progressives, I choose not to.

[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 7 years ago

Alex Jones for you then?

He doesn't make much sense either, but he does present a version of the world.

I like the accuracy of the one I see and experience all around me.

You don't, I guess.

[-] -1 points by OccupyNews (1220) 7 years ago

lol, Jones, no way. He's all about guns even as peoples homes are being taken all around him.

[-] -1 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 7 years ago

It is the F'n South the one ( south ) with all the civil rights issues - OH - Wait - Sorry - The SCOTUS decided that that is not a problem anymore. F'n assholes.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 7 years ago

Welcome to libe(R)topia..........................:)

Where Plutocracy is a way of life.

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 7 years ago

Is that like living in denial? Pluto-cracy - something Disney puts out?

[-] -2 points by BobbyDrake (-2) 7 years ago

Bill Cosby and Charles Barkley agree with the verdict and they are catching some nasty racist crap on Twitter. Jimmy Carter agreed with it too, but nobody seems to care.

[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 7 years ago


That's one fucked up jury. It should have ended kin a mistrial and been held elsewhere.

The investigation continues.

Do you have any links?


[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 7 years ago

Will you giving them good paying jobs, with bennies, so they have a chance to do that?

Will you be supporting enhanced and expensive public education for "poor" neighborhoods, as well as the teachers and unions that can make it work?

Or do you support the policies of the GOP?

Castle laws are shit ass crap from the right wing, promoted by ALEC.

If you support that? Then it's you who needs a little introspection.

What the fuck are you high on, by the way, to come up with such a piece of shit posting?

Or are you just another fucked up drunk? 'Cause you sure sound like one


[-] -3 points by Theninthpiecesuv8 (-26) 7 years ago

Truthfully there aren't too many white people who need criminal attorneys so it's not surprising that they have adopted this black or nothing stance.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 7 years ago

So in your book lawyers know nothing about law and should consult you for every decision?

Plus of course your erroneous belief that "white" people have no need of lawyers.

[-] 0 points by BlackRepublic (-33) from East Windsor, CT 7 years ago

I think in most people's books the attorney knows the limits of law. He seeks to stretch the limit as far as he can to gain the greatest advantage.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 7 years ago

I guess that would make you one of the armchair observers.

Your response has nothing to do with the info given.

[-] -1 points by BlackRepublic (-33) from East Windsor, CT 7 years ago

What? Castle law? You're just spouting party rhetoric as in "gather 'round me and I'll save you from yourselves." It's absolute bullshit because castle law is state law, And civilly, a civil suit? You're joking, right? Do these people have any concept whatsoever concerning civil rights? No one can claim a right to life when they're attempting to kill someone else. Money... it's an emotionally charged issue and everyone is gonna get paid.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 7 years ago

What's obvious, is that you have absolutely NO concept of civil rights, and likely no concept of human rights.

Perhaps you come here to be contrary, just to be so.

[-] -2 points by BlackRepublic (-33) from East Windsor, CT 7 years ago

Castle law exists because previous law criminalized self defense. Who do they think they're foolin'? This just the blind leading the deaf and dumb.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 7 years ago

They exist because ALEC and the NRA paid for their existence, as well as your own thoughts on the subject.

[-] 0 points by OccupyNews (1220) 7 years ago

I assume you mean "all or nothing"? Zimmernan did not get to choose what the charges would be. I guess its possible that the idea of lesser charges were thrown out by the prosecutors out of fear the jury might latch on to them as a compromise.

A lot of times it is the second person who reacts who gets screwed over because they still retain the power to control the situation and if their course of action leads to their own harm, then the law is not going to automatically condemn the first person.

They still should charge Zimmerman with unlawful pursuit and failure to identify he was security.

[-] -1 points by BlackRepublic (-33) from East Windsor, CT 7 years ago

No one really knows what transpired because we weren't there. We know that there was an altercation in which at least one party sustained injuries. The question becomes was Zimmerman justified in shooting in his own defense.

[-] 2 points by OccupyNews (1220) 7 years ago

For all we know, Zimmerman could have jerked his own head into the concrete to show cause before shooting.

I am concerned about the pursuit by an armed non police officer who never identified who he was, violated several tenets followed by police officers, but then Zimmerman used a civilian defense during the trial.

I don't like the idea or practice of a gun toting private individual with a concealed weapon being able to legally follow others with without having to identify himself OR HAVE CAUSE AND without having any instruction given by a second and third party PRIOR to taking any action, and there should be a charge related to that type of behavior.

[-] 1 points by JPB950 (2254) 7 years ago

I agree with you on every point. Unfortunately the laws we have now allow this kind of thing. Zimmerman will likely never face serious jail time. He will most likely lose the civil trial that will come and face financial penalties, but that is poor compensation for the victim's family.

[-] 0 points by OccupyNews (1220) 7 years ago

I am not convinced that the law allows a private citizen to mimic the actions of a police or security officer without having to follow basic police or security officer protocol.

[-] 1 points by JPB950 (2254) 7 years ago

It doesn't matter what you or I are or are not convinced of as individuals. If society accepts the concept of no guilty beyond a reasonable doubt then we have to accept or deal with a system that is designed to protect the accused not the victim. Zimmerman is only guilty of what can be proven in court, right now that is nothing.

[-] 1 points by OccupyNews (1220) 7 years ago

But that is because he was not charged with any type of a minor crime or "mistake". It's the all or nothing murder charge aspect that I don't like.

[-] 1 points by JPB950 (2254) 7 years ago

Exactly right. The murder and manslaughter charges the jury was allowed to consider was overreaching. In my opinion the overcharge was a political decision not a sound legal one. It was likely an attempt to placate the community and prevent violent demonstrations.

[-] 1 points by OccupyNews (1220) 7 years ago

Which didn't work because that is what is going on now. I just think Zimmerman did something wrong that then led to the encounter. Add in not wearing a more identifiable security uniform and also concealing a weapon and it just seems like he crossed some type of line, but probably not a murder line.

Is there an account online of what Zimmerman alleges happened? I've read so many snippets but nothing complete.

[-] 0 points by JPB950 (2254) 7 years ago

Zimmerman invoked his right to an attorney and to remain silent early on, Wikipedia gives his account here, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Trayvon_Martin#Aspects_of_coverage . I haven't seen much else.

I think it did work to some degree, there have been many demonstrations, but no real riots to speak of. Maybe the timing of the verdict had more to do with that then anything else. I don't think there were many people paying attention at 10 pm on a Saturday evening.

[-] 1 points by stevebol (1269) from Milwaukee, WI 7 years ago

TM supporters wanted to charge GZ to the hilt. They trusted Angela Corey. Do they trust her now?

[-] 1 points by OccupyNews (1220) 7 years ago

I think its possible that if lesser charges had been filed, and those were the only ones that Zimmerman was found guilty of, the DA gets blamed for giving the jury an easy way out.

It kind of was a no win situation as many would have been offended if Zimmerman is tried on a lesser charge of impersonating a police officer or pursuing someone without cause while also carrying a concealed weapon.

Remember, what is it that a criminal does, they pursue someone while concealing their weapon.

[-] 0 points by JPB950 (2254) 7 years ago

I have no idea if they have any faith at all in State officials. It's possible she she knew there was no case and played Martin supporters for fools. Possible too that Corey was genuinely sympathetic to Martin and was used by Scott to placate the community. Scott may not have cared if there was evidence or not.

The whole thing is a tragedy, but under our judicial system it's the accused that gets the benefit of the reasonable doubt. I don't think the evidence was ever there to support murder beyond a reasonable doubt.

[-] 1 points by BradB (2693) from Washington, DC 7 years ago

Exactly ...

[-] -1 points by BlackRepublic (-33) from East Windsor, CT 7 years ago

You have valid points; we don't know. We're never going to know. And we're never going to know what may have been the outcome of that altercation had it not concluded as it did. I would have had a problem with someone following me too. But I don't think we can classify that as illegal in a gated community where the individual is a watch captain because there are no laws which prohibit a community from authorizing an individual, even an armed individual, to do exactly that.You're saying he is not authorized to maintain a watch and that isn't true. You're saying he cannot detain or make an arrest and that isn't true, either. People make citizen arrests every day.

[-] 1 points by OccupyNews (1220) 7 years ago

Was Zimmerman wearing some type of identifying clothing as most security officers are supposed to do, especially if they are carrying a weapon?

Are you saying that Martin was unable to access the location he was at without jumping a fence? Just asking.

[-] -2 points by Moonbat (-37) 7 years ago

His neighborhood watch had some special logo. Like a tiger, flames, and wings. Maybe a Chinese symbol. They thought it was inspiring.

[-] 1 points by OccupyNews (1220) 7 years ago

Its interesting that there appear to be few "neighborhood watch" protocols in place. For instance, anyone can sit on their own front or back lawn and "watch" the neighborhood from that vantage point.

But suddenly we have an individual concealing a gun, in a car, and it's considered the same thing? I'm not buying it.

[-] 1 points by OccupyNews (1220) 7 years ago

I'm also curious why he needed his car. If a neighborhood watch guy is in his car, it is possible that not everybody in the neighborhood knows who he is, and in essence, he becomes a threat as well.

[-] -1 points by Moonbat (-37) 7 years ago

They seemed like a screwed up group. Their founder worked at Costco for fuck's sake. Cant really say they were racist because they did have at least one black member. He was actually a foreigner, an alien.