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Forum Post: The Nation endorses Bernie Sanders!

Posted 1 year ago on Jan. 14, 2016, 4:05 p.m. EST by factsrfun (8851) from Phoenix, AZ
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A year ago, concerned that ordinary citizens would be locked out of the presidential nominating process, The Nation argued that a vigorously contested primary would be good for the candidates, for the Democratic Party, and for democracy. Two months later, Senator Bernie Sanders formally launched a campaign that has already transformed the politics of the 2016 presidential race. Galvanized by his demands for economic and social justice, hundreds of thousands of Americans have packed his rallies, and over 1 million small donors have helped his campaign shatter fund-raising records while breaking the stranglehold of corporate money. Sanders’s clarion call for fundamental reform—single-payer healthcare, tuition-free college, a $15-an-hour minimum wage, the breaking up of the big banks, ensuring that the rich pay their fair share of taxes—have inspired working people across the country. His bold response to the climate crisis has attracted legions of young voters, and his foreign policy, which emphasizes diplomacy over regime change, speaks powerfully to war-weary citizens. Most important, Sanders has used his insurgent campaign to tell Americans the truth about the challenges that confront us. He has summoned the people to a “political revolution,” arguing that the changes our country so desperately needs can only happen when we wrest our democracy from the corrupt grip of Wall Street bankers and billionaires.

We believe such a revolution is not only possible but necessary—and that’s why we’re endorsing Bernie Sanders for president. This magazine rarely makes endorsements in the Democratic primary (we’ve done so only twice: for Jesse Jackson in 1988, and for Barack Obama in 2008). We do so now impelled by the awareness that our rigged system works for the few and not for the many. Americans are waking up to this reality, and they are demanding change. This understanding animates both the Republican and Democratic primaries, though it has taken those two contests in fundamentally different directions.

At the core of this crisis is inequality, both economic and political. The United States has become a plutocracy—one in which, as Sanders puts it, “we not only have massive wealth and income inequality, but a power structure which protects that inequality.” America’s middle class has melted away, while the gap between rich and poor has reached Gilded Age extremes. The recovery that followed the 2008 economic collapse has not been shared. Indeed, in the United States it seems that nothing is shared these days—not prosperity, nor security, nor even responsibility. While millions of Americans grapple with the consequences of catastrophic climate change, fossil-fuel companies promote climate skeptics so that they can continue to profit from the planet’s destruction. While Americans have tired of endless war, the military-industrial complex and its cheerleaders continue to champion the reckless interventions that have drained our country, damaged our reputation abroad, and created a perfect storm of Pentagon waste, fraud, and abuse. While Americans of every ideological stripe recognize the need for criminal-justice reform, African-American men, women, and children continue to be gunned down by police officers on the streets, and mass incarceration continues largely unabated.

Americans are fed up and fighting back. Seen in isolation, the Fight for $15, Black Lives Matter, the climate-justice movement, the immigrant-rights movement, the campaign for a financial-transactions tax, and the renewed push for single-payer healthcare may seem like unrelated causes. Taken together, they form a rising chorus of outrage over a government that caters to the demands of the super-wealthy, while failing to meet the needs of the many. They share a fury at a politics captured by special interests and big money, where pervasive corruption mocks the very notion of democracy.

Senator Sanders alone has the potential to unite the movements emerging across the country. In Bernie Sanders, these movements for greater equality and justice have found an ally and a champion. In contrast to the right-wing demagogues who exploit these crises to foment division, the Vermont senator has reached into a proud democratic-socialist tradition to revive the simple but potent notion of solidarity. We must turn to each other, not on each other, Sanders says, and unite to change the corrupted politics that robs us all. His campaign’s funding reflects this commitment, spurning the support of corporate super-PACS and relying instead on millions of grassroots donors. Thanks to his campaign’s integrity, Sanders alone has the potential to unite the movements emerging across the country into one loud, irresistible demand for systemic political change......

http://www.thenation.com/article/bernie-sanders-for-president/

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[-] 3 points by DKAtoday (33169) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Bernie Sanders ups his game and endorses - as he says - he can not do it alone:

Bernie Sanders just made a MAJOR announcement about the political revolution: he is endorsing three progressive champions running for the U.S. House.

Bernie joined Democracy for America in endorsing Lucy Flores, Pramila Jayapal, and Zephyr Teachout -- and he's urging all of us to join him in helping support their campaigns. Here's what Bernie had to say about these game-changing candidates in a message to supporters this morning:

  • Lucy Flores is not afraid to challenge the establishment. She endorsed our political revolution, and then suffered backlash from some in the political establishment who abandoned her. Now Lucy is running a grassroots campaign for Congress and needs the help of our political revolution to win.

  • When Pramila Jaypal announced that she was going to run for a seat in Congress in her home of Seattle, she said, "What Congress needs is a progressive voice who is unafraid to take on these powerful interests -- who is willing to fight for all Americans, not just the wealthiest 1 percent."... I like the sound of that. Pramila Jayapal helped lead the fights for paid sick leave and a $15 minimum wage in Seattle.

  • Zephyr Teachout literally wrote the book on political corruption. She understands better than anybody how special interests try to buy off politicians, and she's dedicated her life to fixing our broken political system... She's the real deal. Let's make sure she gets elected.

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8851) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

Thank you DK for this important comment I hope you will put up a post with links and such so we can support these people. I have given a little to Bernie and I will support these people as well, if we are to take government from the donors we must act to do so.

[-] 3 points by DKAtoday (33169) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

I’m Congresswoman Tulsi Gabbard

The Judgment to Lead: Why I'm Endorsing Bernie Sanders https://youtu.be/2UM8F4EuUbw via @YouTube

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33169) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Bernie Sanders catching up to Hillary in California: poll http://nyp.st/1Tr49bs via @nypost

It ain't over till it's over!

Go Bernie!

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8851) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

hoping for a good Tuesday

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33169) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Me too - though I am not real excited considering 4 of em are closed primaries. But then again.................

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33169) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago
[-] 3 points by ImNotMe (1488) 1 year ago

Very Nice. Now of course IF I had a vote .. I'd have twinkled that. Nevertheless, credit is due and in compliment, a video for a video ...

quid pro quo?

[-] 1 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 1 year ago

those humans sure can figure out what country they're standing in

[-] 2 points by ImNotMe (1488) 1 year ago

You should try to stand by what you say, as hitting ''delete'' later, leaves replies hanging and tbh - imo .. it is disrespectful to your fellow posters and interlocutors. So in compliment as per my reply to you here

alea jacta est ...

[-] 2 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 1 year ago

write in NO WAR on your ballot

hanging like senators never opposing the US airstrikes

[-] 3 points by ImNotMe (1488) 1 year ago

Who do you think the least warmongering candidate is?

Is what's left of democracy in the US, worth fighting for?

Did you try to read the http://truth-out.org/ piece above?

The US has been on a war footing for 100 years - so do

U think that anyone can just flick a switch, to stop that?

Have you read https://berniesanders.com/issues/ at all?

Can the US start anew IF Sanders was POTUS maybe?

fiat pax ...

[-] 2 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 1 year ago

i have not read sanders issues and don't intend to unless he speaks against violence

[-] 2 points by ImNotMe (1488) 1 year ago

You've ''not read sanders issues''?!!! Really?!! Why's that?!

You're an Occupier and so don't you owe that to yourself?

ad iudicium ...

[-] 2 points by ImNotMe (1488) 1 year ago

Remember OWS?! They ROCKED the U$A & then Earth!! Now more than ever!!!

"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win."

multum in parvo ...

[-] 2 points by ImNotMe (1488) 1 year ago

This is not a chat room! However, do feel free to try this..

vale ...

[-] 1 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 1 year ago

I will not read these issues until

the title War and Peace is removed

I will not accept this platform with war

[-] 2 points by ImNotMe (1488) 1 year ago

"Anyone who shrugs and claims that change is just too hard, has crawled into bed with the billionaires." (Elizabeth Warren) It is up to you what you read or don't read of course but ''perfect'' is seldom born but is much more likely to be struggled towards by collective striving and sacrifice. Also fyi, try to consider:

As Noam Chomsky says: ''Everbody's worried about terrorism. Well there's a really easy way: STOP participating in it.''

pax ...

[-] 4 points by ImNotMe (1488) 1 year ago

HUGE * Twinkle!!! Fkn 'A'!! Tweet it bw! Solidarite' et a' vous et votre famile -

per aspera ad astra - et salut ...

[-] 2 points by grapes (4989) 1 year ago

Noam Chomsky is truly wise if he has said that. Yes, he did many years ago; here's the video: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kPj89C7bzO0

I am absolutely confused about who our friends and enemies are around the Navel of the World. If our friend's friend is our enemy, our friend's enemy is our friend, our enemy's friend is our friend, and our enemy's enemy is our enemy, whom should the most powerful military force be fighting?

"The only winning move is not to play." Very few of our presidential candidates understand that (based on their simple-minded solutions to an intractable problem).

[-] 4 points by ImNotMe (1488) 1 year ago

Don't be confused brother grapes. Focus. Our - your, others' here and my ''friends'' are The 99% & historically our ''enemies'' are the 1% of The 1% - The 0.01% Oligarchs, Plutocrats, Kleptocrats & Dynastic Despots who purport to be our rulers!!! All else is ... smoke & mirrors; duplicity & deceit; designed to keep us divided & ruled!! I like your recourse to Game Theory but the other tack, is to rewrite the rules - from below ... as the US-MIC is designed ''to play for'' its 1% Corporate Masters!

Thanx for your wee Chomsky video. I liked it. I like the man too .. but he is not beyond reproach or criticism. Eg. his awareness (as evidenced by some recent statements re. HRC and Bernie) - of a massive grassroots groundswell of support for Bernie Sanders is now somewhat limited but alas, I suppose he's in his 80's and so that is understandable. In solidarity - I will append this lovely tune:

fiat lux; fiat justitia; fiat pax ...

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33169) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

whom should the most powerful military force be fighting?

The GOP and it's power structure?

[-] 1 points by beautifulworld (22777) 1 year ago

Bernie's racial justice page is all about violence:

https://berniesanders.com/issues/racial-justice/

[-] 1 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 1 year ago

sounds like its about race

[-] 4 points by beautifulworld (22777) 1 year ago

"We must pursue policies to transform this country into a nation that affirms the value of its people of color. That starts with addressing the five central types of violence waged against black, brown and indigenous Americans: physical, political, legal, economic and environmental."

It goes on with quite a bit of detail, but you don't need to read it, others will.

https://berniesanders.com/issues/racial-justice/

[-] 1 points by grapes (4989) 1 year ago

Caucasians of lower social ranks even complained about country-club treatments about affirmative action and racial sensitivity. What's so bad about about having a field day at a country club, eating fine foods in nice surroundings, while listening? It was the incessant dronings on and potential loss of social resources in a perceived zero-sum game for them.

[-] 1 points by grapes (4989) 1 year ago

Race or violence or even more is the Gordian knot. I say that it stems from wealth inequality and institutionalized prejudices whether conscious or unconscious, due to my own experience.

Human minds are programmed by coincidences of stimuli. Race, violence, wealth, prejudices, neighborhoods, class, attires, looks, speech patterns, skin complexions, ethnicities, etc. all get jumbled together in the human minds affecting behaviors.

I have my view due to my experience serving on a lily-white Caucasian board which got a new African employee fired for speech pattern and cultural contamination. I feel rather disgusted by why and how it was done. Beautifulworld may have experienced violence and you may not have experienced that intra-country violence but heard incessant dronings on about racial inequality.

We can all be correct in describing a tress feeding into the Gordian knot, which awaits the arrival of Alexander the Great to cut it apart. Right now, the "undesirables" can be "stabbed in the back" with impunity behind closed doors, in my view. That is unfair.

(Yes, do you see it? I couldn't even express it without being prejudiced by the English language itself - I should have said unjust! Dark-skinned peoples are "unfair." Light-skinned peoples are "fair." It's these embedded, even unconscious, behaviors which can amount to discriminations)

[-] -2 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 1 year ago

violence is not hard the isolate

it starts with damaging another

[-] 1 points by grapes (4989) 1 year ago

Damaging another can take many forms. The mere existence of white privileges qualifies as psychological oppression to ALL other people. My problem is NOT with privileges. My problem is with the arbitrariness of white privileges.

For example, I take accent to be a sign of intelligence because it means the person has been around in different cultures and is trying to speak in a non-native tongue. I had lily-white oppositions who emphasized the importance of (white) speech purity. I do get that our society IS racist but we have our creed that "all men are created equal" and let the best rise to the top. Speech pattern becomes an arbitrary means of discrimination.

There are more forms of violence than just physical violence. Do you think getting you fired from your job qualifies as a form of violence?

[-] 2 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 1 year ago

sounds like a form of top down management

[-] 2 points by grapes (4989) 1 year ago

Most bigger corporations and governments have hierarchical management in order to be able to respond decisively in a competitive environment. Racism reproduces itself even in neutral or progressive closed-door environments in a racist society. Undesirable speech pattern or cultural contamination can cut into profits through the image of the organization in the minds of racist peoples. It is rather obvious what a profit-seeking business will do behind closed doors. It can simply be chalked up to "performance."

Ask Donald Trump, for example. He surely knows what "performance" can mean - will an ugly fat "undesirable" wife fit in with the business plan? No. It is just human nature that we enjoy eye candy and eyes' cream as Homo sap-iens!

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 1 year ago

Bernie Sanders LIVE from Washington Square Park, Manhattan, New York [13th April, 2016]

EDIT: Second Link abv. seems to be the best link but the first may work when Bernie starts to speak.

via, veritas, vita ...

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33169) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Another note sent off to Bernie at - contact Bernie Sanders at his senate address

Bernie! You can not endorse HRC as it would make your whole campaign a lie.

Instead u should be looking into endorsing Brand New Congress http://brandnewcongress.org/

as well as looking into self identified Berniecrats http://berniecrats.net/ for possible endorsement opportunities.

Supporting the current establishment would only make your whole campaign a lie and disillusion millions who have come out in support of your campaign.

You are so very correct when you say at your campaign rallies and debates THAT establishment politics is broken (DNC & GOP) and that WE ALL have to work together to fix government so that it works for EVERYONE.

We Can Survive An Unworthy President (history proves it) as long as we do not have an unworthy majority in office underneath the presidency (state as well as federal).

You should be concentrating on endorsing others who are like you and truly support your campaign platform to all offices that are coming up for election in all 50 states.

let the horrific story that is Drumpf running against HRC play itself out.

Concentrate on making the needed changes that you can!!!!

ENDORSE for a government of by and for the people!

As you correctly say the president can not do it alone. I add = not for good and not for evil. It takes a working majority.

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8851) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

SCOTUS matters, if you are saying we can survive Trump, the next 3 Justices to leave are from the left side of the bench, so yes life may survive climate change and we might survive Trump but what will that survival look like?

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33169) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Yep = SCOTUS definitely important.

President makes nominations - but congress tells em OK or Sit Down.

So we really gotta get rid of wealthy establishment status quo supporters in gov to insure that creeps do not continue to be appointed to the SCOTUS.

In That effort there are a couple of new developments for the population to check out:

brandnewcongress.org/

http://berniecrats.net

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8851) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

signed up for the Sept. 5 meeting we'll see where it goes, also bookmarked the website of Berniecrats good to check in see how it goes..

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33169) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

We can survive an unworthy president = Drumpf or sHillary

As long as we have a worthy working majority in congress.

[-] 1 points by Viking (417) 1 year ago

Your support of Hillary is not blatant, but it is definitely implicit with your warnings of the SCOTUS nominees WITHOUT offering any alternative reasoning or narrative on why we should NOT vote for Hillary.... instead saying, "we can survive an unworthy president..", again! Then you suggest that we go back to the voting booth so that we can try to weed us out some good candidates for Congress. This all sounds a lot like a milquetoast, diversionary prescription to me, and what we have been doing. And look where we are!! It is also acquiescent to the TPTB, but that is what they want, isn't it? Coincidence?

[-] -1 points by DKAtoday (33169) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

GFYS

[-] 1 points by Viking (417) 1 year ago

"GFYS" ?? I would if I thought it would help our revolution. lol

[-] 1 points by grapes (4989) 1 year ago

I'll buy you, DK, Slick commando dragon, Tera eRex, Mx. Cheese, Obomber, Oblah-blah, Obummer, enough chiquita bananas for the purpose. I'll meet you all at the 1600 pool at 0 hundred hour. Going commando/Skinnydipping for specialized-actions training should be fun, eh? As usual, there's a deficiency of females in orgies but the Secret Service can certainly live up to its name, can't it? Perhaps have Slick commando dragon invite his troop of girly guides? He is very experienced in "handling the GFYS chiquita economy," so I heard. ;) ) )

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8851) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

yeah we are surviving CU too but survival aside the next President will set SCOTUS for a couple of decades so pretending that Drumpf is less than he is, is a bigger deal than whatever the Berniecrats do not that some people don't need primarying they do, it would be awesome to drive some of the corporate Dems from the party but it will be a slow process and if Drumpf is POTUS for next four years SCOTUS will be set to stop any progress for decades

[-] 1 points by Viking (417) 1 year ago

You and DK are not suggesting that we support Hillary, are you??

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8851) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

Now is the time to kill the GOP I have always said we must bring the system down bit by bit and bringing down the GOP bit is possible now, if we do it.

[-] 2 points by Viking (417) 1 year ago

It is now past time to start a third party, or to support the Green party. As I have said before, investing our energies in the corrupt Democrats or Republicans is a waste of time.

[-] 2 points by grapes (4989) 1 year ago

Vote Green. Dr. Jill Stein 2016!

I like her idea of Quantitative Easing for student debts much better than the free college idea. Making something free degrades its value in most people's minds. I believe higher education is great for people but not all. Some people are better served by being trained early with marketable skills than by being delusioned into believing that a college degree will be their ticket to realizing the American Dream. Frankly, that is false. College degree is an overkill for many jobs. Employers require it because they don't pay for it.

Wiping out existing student debts will help those who believed and invested in themselves and will give a boost to the economy.

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8851) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

How did voting Nader work out in 2000? Did it cause the Green Party to grow?

[-] 1 points by grapes (4989) 1 year ago

2016 differs from 2000.

In 2000, the U.S. was collecting the Peace Dividend and the Internet Boom from winning the Cold War. In 2016, the U.S. has not only collected the "Dividends" of the Double Longest Wars, the Great Recession, the Too-Big-To-Fail, the Too-High-To-Jail, mega-Wienerian gonorrhea, Dicky chaining, Tea peeing, Gridlock tetanus, and Angina clintoris.

Some should still remember Katrina-Rita with wimpy Brownie-led FEMA. I experienced Irene and Sandy. Lest Tera eRex and Slick commando dragon get wet between their legs and drool, none of the aforementioned are Bond girls, okay! Then there are the BLM, Dallas, Baton Rouge, and Nice religio-/race- wars coming on fast. I don't see any dividends of value. I feel the rage being all around in 2016!

[-] 1 points by flip (7101) 1 year ago

if this is true - the GOP is really about making the rich richer - and the dems have held the presidency for 16 of the last 24 years then one would think that the rich are less rich. correct?

[-] 1 points by grapes (4989) 1 year ago

"Triangulation" was the origin of the Angina clintoris. I'm looking forward to a "little tea and just lice for all" in the Slick-commando-dragon-triangulated bikini zone.

No matter what game one plays, whether golf, baseball, or sex, female erogenous zones figure prominently: hole in one, birdie, diamond, bases loaded, home run, etc. Fore! Score!

Satisfaction.

[-] 1 points by grapes (4989) 1 year ago

GOOP has been the party of business since before the American Civil War. Preserve the Union for business. Free the African slaves for business. Reconstruct the South for business. Forget about the freed slaves for business... Who really cares about them if there's no business?

GOOP has been very consistent being a party of the rich business class. What it appears to be more is just external packaging and decorations.

Demonkrapts have also grown into the party of business. Hey, if one institutes the pay-to-play system, guess who has the money to pay for play? Yes, the business, the Monsanto, the JP Morgan Chase, the Goldman Sachs, the Citi, the Bank of America/Merrill Lynch, etc.

All major parties are for business. Freely choose one to exercise your sacred democratic right of voting. Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! As they have said many times before, freedom is not free. Pay up or shut up!

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8851) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

There is a way to do this but voting Green and supporting the back and forth wins of Dems and GOP is not it, we must KILL the GOP and the ladder of power will fall the entire system will crash because they do depend on each other and one is weak and can be killed now, if we do it-.*

[-] 1 points by flip (7101) 1 year ago

looks like the gop is killing itself - no? seems it does not need you help after all

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8851) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

[-] 2 points by flip (7101) 1 month ago when i was at zuccotti park i had the feeling that the people there did not want either mccain or obama. it was about something else altogether. maybe you found that in the az occupy the people were big fans of obama. of course he wasn't bombing so many countries then - noble peace prize winner. did he have his star chamber then - and who exactly picks the targets for assassination? do we know- you probably do - you are on the inside right? ↥twinkle ↧stinkle permalink

McCain was a memory and Romney hadn't been picked yet, but the anniversary planning meeting had a guy stinking up the place with his ego driven Green agenda and "secret plans"( if you're that interested in a little out water like Phoenix). BTW what the hell is this 'inside" shit you speak of?

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8851) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

the media will hide the truth the GOP is really about making the rich richer and money more powerful, even now they try to shift the focus, if people not so easily distracted were to refocus the American attention it could be done now while they are weak, but I expect the media and the DNC will rally around to save the GOP because they all need each other, if only the truth could get out there now we could leap 20 years ahead in this process but I expect it will not

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 1 year ago

I STRONGLY RECOMMEND this episode of the often excellent ''Keiser Report'' to you:

fai lux ...

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8851) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

Like in 2000? The Greens got almost 5% They must be HUGE by now. What did get in 2012?

[-] 2 points by Viking (417) 1 year ago

Err.... "how did voting [for Clinton & Obama] work out... " for us?! If we don't break free of the R & D duopoly, we will continue to slide downwards. I know that die-hard Party loyalists would disagree with me, though.

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8851) from Phoenix, AZ 8 months ago

I hope you are happy with your choice to support Trump.

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8851) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

So you think McCain would have been better?

[-] 1 points by Viking (417) 1 year ago

From your left field question to me, about YOUR Arizona Senator John McCain R, can I assume that Bill Clinton & Obama are indefensible. My Senators, Menendez D and Booker D are neoliberals too! In fact the latter is being considered as a running mate for Hillary D, the war monger.

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8851) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

you started out calling for people to vote for the ego whores, the Greens, so i asked how did it work out voting for the ego whores in 2000? did it cause the "movement" to grow? you suggest you were unhappy with Obama so i asked you if you would be happier with McCain? are you all caught up now? so would you care to answer?

[-] 2 points by flip (7101) 1 year ago

when i was at zuccotti park i had the feeling that the people there did not want either mccain or obama. it was about something else altogether. maybe you found that in the az occupy the people were big fans of obama. of course he wasn't bombing so many countries then - noble peace prize winner. did he have his star chamber then - and who exactly picks the targets for assassination? do we know- you probably do - you are on the inside right?

[-] 1 points by Viking (417) 12 months ago

Yes, I would much rather vote my conscience, or as you put it, "for the ego whores" than to vote for Hillary or Trump! And if that means that Trump should be elected, so be it. I do not think that he would be nearly as adept at accomplishing his neoliberal agenda as she would be.

[-] -1 points by factsrfun (8851) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

Voting Green is a waste of time if it weren't the Greens would have grown after 2000 when they got 5%, doing the same thing over and over just supports the 1% and their perpetual rule. We could kill the GOP and change everything, but I expect we won't.

[-] 1 points by grapes (4989) 1 year ago

Something being possible is not necessarily desirable. Remember that GOOP members are fellow Americans and we need to bring them along, too.

There are countries such as India that have so many parties that they cannot really get anything of significance done. It's what we may call political retardism. You should know if you have ever led a group of kindergarteners each with their own idea about what to do next. Well, nothing gets done mostly.

Some political fragmentation is good to allow for freedom but over fragmentation is a bane. Our incessant debate about gun control is similar. The contexts for gun control are the deciding factor. Guns are just force multipliers. One size does Not fit all, nor is the stupidity of a thousand sizes and none fits.

[-] 1 points by grapes (4989) 1 year ago

I think they are. The Feral Burro of Incontinence has just proven my assertion that it cannot piss at someone that high up the hog. As I have said before, I'm looking forward to a presidentially pardoned convicted criminal to occupy the White House, with frf and DK's help, of course.

It's common knowledge in the administration that the security violations occurred. Of course, Obummer does not want himself to be implicated.

Jill Stein 2016!

[-] 2 points by Viking (417) 1 year ago

It should now be obvious to most people that we have a two tier justice system, one for the corrupt elite, and one for the rest of us.

[-] 1 points by grapes (4989) 1 year ago

Not necessarily, crafty people such as Mx. Cheese sitting on the toilette know to hide behind the made-in-Angina bamboo wall of judicial sovereignty.

All men are created equal. Walls are not all created equal. There are white walls, black walls, greenback walls, gravitational walls, moldy guacamole walls, mildew walls, flame walls, blah-blah walls, delegation walls, denial walls, duct-tape walls, dumb-dumb walls, buffer walls, dummy walls, delay walls, bamboo walls, urowalls, Redwalls, Greenwalls, Bluewalls, Cornwalls, Mexican walls, and the Great Walls of Angina clintoris.

Beware of walls. Serpents are crafty and lurk behind walls, especially the marble, concrete, or rock walls. Those who live high on the hog are protected by gravitational walls against the pissing of the burro.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33169) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

There is no way in hell that I would support sHillary or Drumpf.

What I said was = we can survive an unworthy president ( you know if like Jill Stein or Bernie Sanders do not get elected to the office in November) as long as we have a Worthy Working Majority in office!

brandnewcongress.org/

http://berniecrats.net

[-] 1 points by grapes (4989) 1 year ago

I suppose that you support Jill Stein 2016, too. If so, we have more alignment of the cadres.

A Worthy Working Majority in the legislative branch will serve to block any unworthy President.

[-] 1 points by grapes (4989) 1 year ago

Life will survive climate change so will the U.S. survive Trump's nominees to the SCOTUS. Supreme Court Justices are appointed for life so they can and do change their philosophical inclinations.

Someone said it well. I think it went something like this: "If you are not a Radical when young, you have no heart. If you are not a Conservative when old, you have no brain." I add that if you don't transcend the apparent divide, you have missed being blessed by Grace. Many Justices grew in their tenures in office.

SCOTUS is a human institution. If we mess it up, we can 'fix it.' July 14th is coming. Climate change has vast inertia. We have nearly NO way to 'fix it' in a short time. We'd better not mess it up. 'Fixing it' requires conscientious efforts over decades so we must start early and work on it assiduously and continuously.

Bloomberg was better than de Blasio in safeguarding the long-term water supply for New York.

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8851) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

Do you confuse Bloomberg with Trump?

[-] 1 points by grapes (4989) 1 year ago

No, Bloomberg increased New York City water rates to work on heading off an uncertain long-term disaster. De Blasio played 'game' with that. Most New Yorkers may not know how awful things can get until the day when no water comes out of their faucets. Starry-eyed socialists can lose sight of the looming disasters in the making.

Take a look at Venezuela. When Hugo Chavez nationalized the oil industry, I was saying to myself, "How stupid of him!" There is such a thing as business confidence. Now they have food, supply, and political crises. Someone who truly loves his people will not allow the collapse of business confidence to occur.

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8851) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

You're still talking about Bloomberg, again I ask do you confuse Trump for Bloomberg? Bloomberg is not running for anything as far as I know at least he won't be on the AZ ballot.

[-] 1 points by grapes (4989) 1 year ago

No, I'm not confusing Bloomberg with Trump. I'm preparing people to accept the release of Tera eRex from Nieuw Nederland and its consequences. It may well become necessary for Tera eRex to barge through the bamboo wall to get to Mx. Cheese sitting on the toilette.

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8851) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

Actually you're just talking gibberish like you always do grape.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33169) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

A number of candidates 4 lower offices have self-identified as Berniecrats. http://berniecrats.net/

As We Can Survive An Unworthy President - As Long As We Do Not Have An Unworthy Majority In Government!

[-] 2 points by Viking (417) 1 year ago

Systemic or revolutionary change will not come about by investing much of our efforts in a corrupted electoral process ... one that is reponsible for bringing us here.

This primary has illustrated that it is not just the Republicans that are screwed up. To insinuate otherwise just feeds into a faux narrative, with the implication being that all we need is more Democrats to make things right again.

Sanders may fulfill his pledge to support Hillary and reign in many in the left back into the Democratic Party where we will be given crumbs to appease us, while our overall downward slide continues.

In so doing, Bernie will let down many supporters who believe that now is the most opportune time to start a viable third party, or join one like the Green Party, where real change would be possible.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33169) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

elect a Brand New Congress

Who’s proposing this?

Right now, this is just an idea that some of us Bernie volunteers and former staff have been talking about with each other. We're all busy working for Bernie until he's in the White House. But we're proposing the campaign for a Brand New Congress as something to work on next. Only something as big and worthwhile as this can keep the revolution going—and it's the only way to give Bernie the ability to make real change from the White House. If you would like updates or to get involved, please sign up and one of us will be in touch.

[-] 1 points by Viking (417) 1 year ago

No Thanks. Our priority IMO should be to start a third party.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33169) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

A note I sent off to Bernie:

Strike While The Iron Is HOT !,

So putting aside for a moment your continuing your run through November's general election.

You always say (correctly) "that no President can do it alone"

Currently the peoples best chance at a positive next four years (and beyond) - would be good representation in Congress.

To get that good representation into office (I think), it is essential that you really start an endorsement campaign to fuel the grass roots movement.

I came across this today = Brand New Congress seeks 2 use t same grassroots organizing tactics 2 back a "slate" of 535 candidates http://brandnewcongress.org/

What are your thoughts on this organization and it's effort.

Could this be something you could promote RIGHT NOW ?

As I think your best use of time right now - would be to be endorsing candidates "who are for The People" in every state!

PS; Check out their candidate list and only agree to endorse those you feel are suitable - as you may well not agree with every candidate listed for various reasons.

PPS; As we can survive an unworthy President, as long as we do not have an unworthy working majority in congress!

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33169) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

@SenSanders

Brand New Congress seeks 2 use t same grassroots organizing tactics 2 back a "slate" of 535 candidates

http://brandnewcongress.org

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33169) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

HRC is inherently elitist, and essentially conservative http://www.salon.com/2016/06/21/bernie_sanders_is_no_spoiler_hes_trying_to_cure_the_centrist_complacency_thats_plaguing_the_democratic_party/ … No president can do it alone = clean house!

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (8851) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

So DK is the forum dying? for real this time? I suppose it is an expense though I've heard no rumors it's just so few posts these days....

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33169) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

The forum is what it is = locked

Near death?

Sure - the only ones keeping it alive are making fewer and fewer posts and comments.

Will the plug be pulled?

I don't know.

Does anyone look in here anymore?

I don't know.

I still copy comment links to place elsewhere.

[-] 1 points by Viking (417) 1 year ago

The "near death" of the forum is not indicative of the movement itself. In fact the opposite is mostly true.

We both know that there has been a concerted effort to coopt our struggle, don't we?

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8851) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

Micah is trying to revive it.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33169) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Perhaps - but it is still locked.

[-] 1 points by grapes (4989) 1 year ago

It's just the expected post-primary/cock-us fatigue and disappointment. I think that many people have started to realize the truth of the sheepdog hypothesis about Bernie Sanders.

I advised not to take it too seriously because my mom used to tell me, "Bump your head to it. Then you will get it!" (She never said what 'it' was) You know how many 'bumps' I have got by now? Wisdom often grows from bumps, really. Take it all in perspective - the efforts are not in vain, as my mom would have said, "It's educational."

It's actually a very American way to get educated. How did the U.S. become the most innovative society? We instituted post mortem's galore and we are renowned for debating whether and how much to shut the barn door after our animals have been attacked or escaped from 'the farm'. I bet that Obummer, coming through the Accidental/Colombia, knows of the Barnyard or at least the Standafford before arriving at Hogwart.

Keeping the forum open involves expenses for sure but it is miniscule relative to the influence it exerts. The U.S. spends huge sums militarily and diplomatically to buy influence worldwide.

You, frf, should be happy about trying to work through the Demonkraptic Partei. It looks like a 'cul-de-sac.' Pardon my French. Born free. Live free. Die free.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33169) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

E-mail about continuing on from Bernie - I hope it is about continuing the fight!


We are at a critical moment for the future of the Democratic Party and our country. Last night marked the last primary as part of the Democratic nomination process, and we know that our campaign will enter the convention in Philadelphia with more than 1800 delegates.

Our movement has fought against steep odds when so many people counted us out. Together we built a political revolution that fought in every one of more than 50 primaries and caucuses since February. Our delegates from this movement will be the people who vote on the platform of the Democratic Party, and who will have influence on not just who the nominee is this election, but how the next nominee will be elected, too.

The future of our political revolution depends on you. That's why Bernie Sanders will host a live, online video address this Thursday night at 8:30 p.m. EDT / 5:30 p.m. PDT. Will you join Bernie?

Sign up to RSVP to watch Bernie Sanders' live, online video message on Thursday night and we’ll send you a text message or email shortly before the event begins.

RSVP TO JOIN »

Our political revolution is not just about what happens in Philadelphia, or even at the election in November, during which we must stop Donald Trump from becoming president. In order for the work that we have begun to be long-lasting for years to come, we must continue our political revolution. And we need you to be a part of it.

We'll see you Thursday night.

In solidarity,

Jeff Weaver Campaign Manager Bernie 2016

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8851) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

I'll be signing up should be able to make it, I may be a little late.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33169) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

I hope it is a good event - we need to continue forward.

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8851) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago
[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33169) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago
[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33169) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Too bad DWS didn't get the boot last year. But it is a start - now Bernie's candidate in Florida just has to win the office she currently has. We the people need to get to work on cleaning house =

We can survive an unworthy president = sHillary or Drumpf

http://time.com/4372673/bernie-sanders-speech-text-read-transcript/

The People need 2 clean house state & fed

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8851) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

It would be nice to see some more action down ticket in the primaries, I think the gun issue could rid Washington of a few GOP, that could help a little, but overall it's tough to see a good path forward, third party crap in Nov. puts the GOP in office, they do seem to be committing suicide, I came here in 2011 saying we must kill the GOP to move forward, people kept telling me it was impossible, now it doesn't seem so much, I am very disappointed in Hillary and the DNC, but still the first order of business is killing the GOP, it's just that everything has been set back 8 years or so and that sucks, we may be able to kill the GOP in the meantime and that would be something I guess...

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33169) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Bernie has done some endorsing - hopefully he will do a lot more. People are awakening and the more gov does not serve the people the sooner the dam will break.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33169) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Advice for Bernie going into New York:

You have to go all in - in preparing for the New York Primary!

The birthplace of the national Occupy Wall Street Movement "SHOULD" be a landslide location for you and your platform.

Spend money wisely in reaching those who supported OWS - this includes Union Workers and all workers looking for their needed minimum LIVING Wage!

You Can NOT pull your punches here!

Your Public Service Record ='s Very Positive

HRC's Public Service Record ='s Very Negative

This is why HRC refuses to debate you going into New York. HRC gives awesome lip-service (speeches) but when it comes time for action (a legislative vote) she supports the wealthy few and not the public.

HRC Can NOT afford more Public Exposure of her actual voting record.

It is not a negative personal attack to use your respective records to show the public the truth of who really supports them and really works for them and who does NOT!

MY GOD - Hillary claims to work for women and children (& you give her that credit yourself) - when in actuality she has worked against them. One example = Her time as 1st Lady in Arkansas where her Hubby Slick Willy canceled child welfare services - Just Exactly How was That Helpful To Women or Their Children?

At the end of Slick Willy's last term as president - HRC talked him into vetoing Bankruptcy legislation that would have been very harmful to the general public - good thing right? - at the time YES - BUT when HRC was then in office shortly thereafter - the legislation came up again - AND HRC voted for it! - how exactly is "that" Working FOR the People?

You have got to use all of these things in your run for president. It is not unfair nor is it a personal attack - it is what it is = TRUTH OF HISTORY IN OFFICE & IN PUBLIC LIFE AS COMPARED TO AWESOME LIP SERVICE TO THE PUBLIC ! PERIOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

New York Is VITAL for your Campaign - Go ALL IN - spend money - do it wisely - DO NOT PULL VALID PUNCHES !

Do Not Be Your Own Worst Enemy With A Mistaken & Ill-advised Mr Nice Guy Stance!

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33169) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

2/01/2016 will it be a caucus tonight? or a cock-us?

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33169) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

haHAAAA dead heat tween establishment HRC and the people's Bernie?

Now just can't wait to see all the pandemonium of the media squawking heads as they decry that no-one saw this coming. They saw it coming alright but it wasn't in their scripts to talk about it - now they gotta feign shock & disbelief - and wonder what this will mean - and come back and say it was a "one of" and the establishment Hag is still in a solid lead nationally and blah blah BLAH BLAH BLAHHHHHHHHHH.

[-] 1 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 1 year ago

stop daily airstrikes

i can not endorse any man that seeks to defeat an enemy

[-] -1 points by factsrfun (8851) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

I do understand Matt, your pure perfection is all that matters in the world, it matters not if all the ice melts, if debtors prisons return across the land, if war rages in every corner of the world all that matters is your pure and perfectly clean hands. I am but a filthy rag...

[-] 2 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 1 year ago

it's easy not to air strikes

just don't

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8851) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

it's easy to change the world

just vote

[-] 1 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 1 year ago

been doing that all along

has the war stopped ?

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8851) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

you will have to ask the 1% since you vote to keep them in power

[-] 1 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 1 year ago

party system quick to blame the voters fir they cannot be held responsible

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (8851) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

people too lazy to make their vote count are always stuck looking for someone to blame

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 1 year ago

Bet you say that to all the girls and also fyi:

multum in parvo ...

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8851) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

labels are for soup cans, the rich are too damn rich and the billionaires can't have it all....

America is great at making billionaires but it sucks at providing health care and education and our roads suck too

[-] 2 points by ImNotMe (1488) 1 year ago

So just how desperate are the .. pseudo-liberal Democratic Party Establishment? For a very good clue, see the CNN & ''Daily Beast'' contributor Keli Goff get totally exposed for the shill that she so clearly is:

It's a really excellent deconstruction and rare insight of what's going on in the wider Corporate US-MSM.

fiat lux ...

[-] -3 points by factsrfun (8851) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

OWS has morphed into an actual part of the process working within the Sander's campaign you must be very disappointed to see your dreams of power deflated shadz....

[-] 3 points by ImNotMe (1488) 1 year ago

Bernie Sanders camp has indeed been very much greatly seeded and bolstered by Occupiers, and I am exceedingly happy about that. Sadly, your ability to compute that fact or why that may be is reflected in your very strange rely to me above. When you calm yourself & get over your personal feelings, compare:

ad iudicium ...

[-] 0 points by grapes (4989) 1 year ago

Poltergeists haunt our roads; not just alien cow pies can fly.

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (8851) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

your value to the forum can not be measured, no really it can't be measured....

[-] 1 points by grapes (4989) 1 year ago

I suppose that you have never been or seen an urban cowboy riding rodeo up and down left and right to avoid potholes and bouncing manhole covers. Carnegie Hall attracts musically talented poltergeist's foot-long pothole, too.

[-] 0 points by ImNotMe (1488) 1 year ago

Sweet. Glib. Naive & Wrong! As Bernie himself says: ''I can't do it on my own''!! Mass Movement or .. ?!!!

ad iudicium ...

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (8851) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

and Matt was so thoughtful, I am shamed....

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (8851) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

Nice get for Bernie!

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (33169) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

tweet:

Tulsi Gabbard gave Bernie Sanders - endorsement.

http://wpo.st/RiQL1

Gabbard 34, resigned as vice chairwoman of t DNC = ALL IN 4 Bernie

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (33169) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

tweet:

Bernie Sanders Trade Deals Ad http://nyti.ms/1UlvBbN via @nytvideo

Bernie = 4 t people

HRC = cater 2 t wealthy

LOOK @ T HISTORY 4 Yourself!

[-] 0 points by WSmith (2696) from Cornelius, OR 1 year ago

Register to BERN ~ BERN the Primary!

Primary Schedule: http://www.uspresidentialelectionnews.com/2016-presidential-primary-schedule-calendar/

Voting by State: http://voteforbernie.org/

[-] 2 points by factsrfun (8851) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

Go Nevada and BEYOND!!

[-] 1 points by WSmith (2696) from Cornelius, OR 1 year ago

WHERE are the votes!!!

Gotta Turn out the TURNOUT!!!

AZ fiasco taken as great upset win for HRC!!!

Yet she takes it and the DELEGATES!

If Bernie did that we'd CRUCIFY him!

Register to BERN~BERN the Primary!

UNITE and WIN!

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33169) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

WHERE are the votes!!!

Arizona's for Bernie were suppressed - there should be a remedy for those who were suppressed - a way for them to cast the vote they were denied and have the result added in and adjust the final result to reflect the truth.

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (8851) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

I voted in Maricopa county, so no whining from anybody just VOTE!!!

http://occupywallst.org/forum/remember-no-matter-what-vote/

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33169) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

https://nvcaucuses.com/ Looks to be close to another 50 50 split

HRC @ 52%

Bernie @ 48%

With 80% reporting at this time.

This was supposed to be another HRC major majority win. Well doesn't look like that is gonna happen - AGAIN

[-] 1 points by turbocharger (1756) 1 year ago

Win is a win dude. At this point Hill Rod is up 2-1 over the Berndog. Once Super Tuesday comes, all the campaigning in the planet doesnt matter, its about TV ads and name recognition.

Buckle up for Hill Rod vs Trump, it's coming.

[-] 1 points by windyacres (1197) 1 year ago

Yep, I'm worried about Bernie now. My theory about Trump is for him to stay in for the ratings until the time comes for the media to turn the people against him. He may not even want to be president. I would bet on Rubio over Cruz.

[-] 1 points by turbocharger (1756) 1 year ago

Just watched the morning shows. According to one, D turnout for the primaries is overall 20% down. They stated that they "needed" Bernie to stick around, because without him they are done.

I think that is very telling, and who knows what kind of conversations happen behind closed doors.

I do know that when Bernie says he'll endorse Hillary if he has to in the end, it kind of shows what his idea of success is.

DC wears people out. It chews up the productive and spits them out, leaving only those looking for a cushy career behind in its wake. Its all by design.

How anyone could state they would endorse Killary is beyond me. I've always liked the Bernster, but man, wtf are you doing dude? You can't say shit like that.

[-] 1 points by beautifulworld (22777) 1 year ago

How about we help Bernie win? He's closing in on her in the national polls. So, instead of poo pooing him, how about making him win?

[-] 0 points by turbocharger (1756) 1 year ago

Hillary is going to take South Carolina, and then after that it's a shit storm of primaries, and whoever is the front runner usually accelerates after that, due to natural human conditions.

In 2018 and 2020 we will all be left wondering what would have happened if Bernie had really gone full "anti" and started something for people to build upon.

Hillary is crushing Bernie in polls in Florida, I can't see how someone turns around 30 points in 3 weeks, but who knows.

This is an interesting article from last summer that talks about Super Tuesday in regards to Bernie, you might enjoy it: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2015/07/28/bernie_sanders_has_a_super_tuesday_problem.html

[-] 1 points by beautifulworld (22777) 1 year ago

Bernie Sanders HAS started something for people to build on. I know all about Super Tuesday. Do you think Super Tuesday would have been easier as a third party candidate!? Come on.

Anyway, I have to go. I'm boots on the ground canvassing for exactly that, Super Tuesday, right now. What are you doing to help him win?

[-] 2 points by turbocharger (1756) 1 year ago

I refuse to help Democrats and Republicans, I swore that off a while ago, I know way too much on how it works.

Chances are all those people you are going to register for the Democrats will eventually vote for someone at all levels that is part of the corruption and in effect, really screw us.

I mean something real to build on, an entire new platform. Not trying to plug holes on the Titanic.

[-] 3 points by windyacres (1197) 1 year ago

I switched from NPA to dem to give Bernie a chance. Canvassed for him yesterday in Pensacola and I'm very surprised Hillary has a large lead in the polls. She is not liked here. I agree Hillary is probably going to gain momentum now that Bernie couldn't win Nevada. It may be over after the vote in Florida, March 15. I will vote 3rd party again unless Bernie is in.

[-] 3 points by turbocharger (1756) 1 year ago

The mood on the street is really anti establishment all over right now, but the majority of those who vote will go through some nonsense calculations to justify their horrific decisions. Hence Hillary leading.

[-] 3 points by windyacres (1197) 1 year ago

Trump...unbelievable... fascinating, a possible President. Intelligent friends of mine are planning to vote for him. Sanders saying almost exactly what OWS wants to hear, with a good record to back it up. Anti-establishment mood yes, but probably squashed with political reality.

The absurd process, (propaganda?), that has begun to form the only two choices Americans have, has included 3 states with very low populations and another with below average population. We feel the effect more than it deserves. After Super-Tuesday with southern states affirming the current mood, Hillary will have reached the point where pundits begin to suggest Bernie get out of the race to prevent Trump or Cruz from naming Supreme Court members, etc. Endorsements for Hillary will increase, and I cannot imagine Bernie being allowed to increase his popularity. Apathy is rampant, most are busy with life and their decisions are not needed for weeks or months anyway because of when their primary was scheduled.

I loved the SNL segment when the Hillary of a few years ago is present with the current Hillary. The current Hillary informs the Hillary from the past with the news that Bernie is running for president. The former Hillary is thrilled and says that Bernie is a great senator causing the current Hillary to rush over to cover her mouth, so as not to spread the news. Hence Hillary leading

[-] 0 points by beautifulworld (22777) 1 year ago

So, who do you want to be President? Who, of those running for President, are you supporting and what are their chances? Are their chances better than Bernie's?

[-] 1 points by turbocharger (1756) 1 year ago

I support the indies and minor parties, so I would put both theirs and Bernies at 0%. The issue is that after this election, Bernie will be retired and the good, decent people running outside the system will have benefited nothing from one of the great indies this country has had. Instead, the notion that they are useless and people must join the machine will only be reaffirmed.

Honestly, I dont even like the idea of president. I think its a distraction position.

[-] 1 points by beautifulworld (22777) 1 year ago

Oh, I think the decent people running outside the system will have benefited tremendously. How about all the people who are becoming class conscious for the first time in their lives. Think they're going to forget so fast?

I don't disagree with you that the entire system is screwed up. It clearly is. I also think that the way to change the system is by changing the minds of the American people and no one has done that better or faster than Bernie Sanders.

[-] 1 points by beautifulworld (22777) 1 year ago

Bernie was 25 points behind in Nevada 5 weeks ago. What he did there was amazing, losing by only 5 points and winning the Latino vote. He is nearly tied with her in the national polls. Have some hope, windy, would ya? Keep canvassing. We can do this. Put your blinders on, put the doubts aside for now, and keep going.

We could certainly all go all negative, but where will that get us?

[-] 1 points by windyacres (1197) 1 year ago

I'm never giving up. The MSM described Bernie's rise, and eventually it seemed Bernie would win. Worried that southern states democratic parties have high percentages of black voters, many were hoping Bernie would win Nevada. Black voters admirably vote together, and it appears their leaders are endorsing the establishment.

I will be involved with electing Bernie as long as it's feasible and I desperately hopes he wins. I have never been allowed to vote for a candidate that promotes health care for all, and promises to fight inequality. He's a FDR type prospect and was really gaining momentum until the Nevada results. We both should expect the elites to be in control of how the media spins this election. I will never give up but fear we will find, "political realities", ahead.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33169) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Nevada is not done and gone with a caucus. Bernie overcame a 40% disadvantage to virtually tie the caucus in less than six months. People had no idea who Bernie was prior to these last six months and not even for that amount of time in Nevada.

People should take heart that HRC expected to win the caucus with an outstanding majority - SHE DIDN'T - the establishment name brand known throughout the land and she barely one the caucus with 4%.

[-] 2 points by beautifulworld (22777) 1 year ago

Danny Glover "Feeling the Bern" passionately today in South Carolina. Worth watching. And, don't buy into anything MSM is saying about Bernie. It's all crap. Blinders.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwLiTdUdWbM&feature=youtu.be&a

Peace and solidarity. No matter what happens who would have thought the Occupy memes would spread so far and wide so soon?

[-] 2 points by windyacres (1197) 1 year ago

I just watched Danny Glover's speech and it's very inspiring. I am still amazed and thrilled so many young people are for Bernie. Almost all of it part of OWS that we helped make happen.

[-] 1 points by grapes (4989) 1 year ago

Bernie may not be toast anytime soon because Mx. Cheese may be indicted and disqualified. Consorting with Dionysus, Mx. Cheese lives under the Sword of Damocles. ¡Mucho, mucho, senoritas! Vino, vino.

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (8851) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

it hit right about where Nate had the race, i think the best hope is in the fact that most of the black vote will be in after 3/1 and maybe Bernie can start to win out after that, but i do fear that Hillary is gaining ground and wealth inequality will not be addressed for another eight years and by then it will be much harder than today to do so....

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33169) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

The corp(se)oRAT media as well as wealthy dem establishment are doing their best to say that Bernie's race is over - trying to depress supporters into not showing up for the 27th in South Carolina as well as to get them to not show up during March madness super Tuesday. They sure are doing their best to say he has no black supporters as well.

I am hoping for an awesome showing and win on the 27th.

That won't change the establishment or corp(se)oRAT media bullshit - it will make em more strident - but it will also show the public that their support does make a difference and that Bernie CAN win!

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8851) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

The msm keeps pushing Trump and ignoring Bernie I think they all believe HRC will sweep in, but the transcripts will come out and when they do HRC will lose, if she has locked it up by then, it may very well be President Trump.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33169) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Too disgusting to contemplate - but also all too possible = tRump as president if the establishment nominates HRC as the dem candidate for office.

I will feel better if Bernie does well on Saturday = a win in South Carolina. Turn out there is gonna be tough to consider - considering the storm pounding.

Would be so helpful if Elizabeth would break her silence and endorse Bernie.

[-] -1 points by DKAtoday (33169) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

The Nation endorses Bernie Sanders as well they should.

Bernie is working and has been working for The People - even now while he campaigns he is forwarding legislation that is in support of The People.

He needs others in office that are also working for The People - Working Right NOW - where are those in office that should be backing Bernie's Agenda FOR The People?

I get requests for donations in support of people running for office and from those who are currently in office. I have taken to responding to such requests in the following manner and I feel everyone should do something of the same:

Can I Give???

Give me a reason to!

Where the hell are you on Bernie's campaign agenda for the people?

Where the hell are you on Elizabeth Warren's agenda?

Where the hell are you on Move To Amend?

Where the hell are you on One Subject At A Time Legislation?

Where the hell are you on forwarding a minimum LIVING WAGE ???

Where the hell are you on ending subsidies to Fossil Fuel?

Where the hell are you on ANYTHING that is vital for the health of the public nation wide?

Where the hell are you on ANYTHING that is vital for the health of the environment nation wide/world wide?

Where the hell are you on global warming and rebuilding our energy infrastructure to be clean?

WHY IN THE HELL WOULD I WANT TO GIVE TO YOU ???

It is just not enough that you are not a member of the anti-environment anti-people homicidal GOP - you have to be visibly and outspokenly working for The People RIGHT NOW !!!

Earn the support that you want to get into office and to stay in office.


tweeted in the hopes that others will see and retweet as well as send out tweets of their own.

https://twitter.com/DKAtoday/status/693578818980843521

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[-] 2 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 1 year ago

sanders supports and argues necessity of war

as can be plainly seen in his issues

[-] 2 points by ImNotMe (1488) 1 year ago

The US has been on a war footing for over 100 years! Do you think that The Imperial / Military / Industrial / Corporate / Banking - Complex can just be just turned off like a switch?!! Is that what you really expect Bernie Sanders to say & do u think he would stand a chance, IF he did?!!! Ask - can he change things?!

I honor your steadfastnest and get your point - but do you get mine? Btw, what was your reply to there?

ad iudicium ...

[-] 2 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 1 year ago

i think he may have been preselected to win

which may be the reason he does not oppose war

[-] 2 points by ImNotMe (1488) 1 year ago

Sanders "preselected to win" - really?!!! By who: The Banks or The Military or The Corporations or Wall Street or are they the ones desperate for HRC?!! Or is such a statement by you really just a marker so that you can (sadly) continue to claim be right and justify your non-engagement with the one candidate closest to OWS' philosophy?! I realize that you don't like to read anything - in case it should make you challenge what you might think you may know but for other readers if not you - I'll append the following:

Scepticism can often be healthy but dark cynicism is oft a self-protection technique that's self-defeating in the longer term because it's a private & personal matter that can then become very anti-revolutionary! Life is about making choices and perhaps any constant fence sitting, will only engender a dose of piles!

Finally and again ; do u really believe one guy can just switch off a War Machine in situ for 100+ years? Or does that really require the Creation of a Mass Movement from below to change the Zeitgeist/ethos?

Please watch the video IF nothing else as it beautifully captures & conveys a true revolutionary analysis.

dum spiro, spero ...

[-] 1 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 1 year ago

the military is not under the us control if the government cannot stop its actions

[-] 2 points by ImNotMe (1488) 1 year ago

Great deduction & the best reply yet tbh!!! Now extrapolate That Fact!! Scary right?!

multum in parvo ...

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