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Forum Post: The Movement Lives or Dies on the Language

Posted 3 years ago on Oct. 5, 2011, 4:26 p.m. EST by iseeamuse (155)
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We need to frame the discussion and try to better understand the issue as a whole and specifically. We need to be defining our terms and requesting clarification.

We need to call out fallacies and misunderstandings, right them and move on.

If we do not we are prone to infiltration and control by those who would stop us.

The issue is far deeper than Wall Street. It is about where the decision-making power lies.

We should discuss re-defining our need for certain human institutions, and start restructuring them according to the society that best suits us.

We do not need to change the Constitution.

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[-] 1 points by geminijlw (176) from Mechanicsburg, PA 3 years ago

Go to facebook, run Occupy Facebook, it should come up. There have been people all over the country on the site. It is exploding. Twitter seems to be down, I wonder if it has to do with this. 100% behind this movement, give em he...........

[-] 1 points by geminijlw (176) from Mechanicsburg, PA 3 years ago

Go to facebook, run Occupy Facebook, it should come up. There have been people all over the country on the site. It is exploding. Twitter seems to be down, I wonder if it has to do with this. 100% behind this movement, give em he...........

[-] 1 points by geminijlw (176) from Mechanicsburg, PA 3 years ago

OCCUPY FACEBOOK. RSVP and Show your support of our brothers and sisters on Wall Street. ONE MILLION RSVP's will get their attention http://www.facebook.com/event.​php?eid=210929152305552, let's support OWS.

[-] 1 points by iseeamuse (155) 3 years ago

Facebook seems to be disrupting this movement. Your link doesn't work.

[-] 1 points by distortion (196) 3 years ago

If you try and rally the country behind changing our financial institution their fuzzy little heads will explode. While i agree with you, most people don't understand enough about how the system works to be able to rally behind a movement for that. Have you ever tried to talk to someone about how our current banking system works and how the FDR works?... it never goes over very well

[-] 1 points by eric1 (152) from Corona, CA 3 years ago

This is an excellent post, iseeamuse. The people who control the production and distribution of your currency are the people who control your society. As such, the focus needs to be on the bankster class, and in particular, those BIG BANKS on Wall Street. And it is ironic that you mention the Constitution because that document provides the means to restructure the government and society as to how you want it, and that is via an Article V National Constitutional Convention. You're right in that the Constitution on the whole doesn't need to be changed. It simply needs to be "tweaked" in a few spots. Below are some links that you will find helpful.

http://www.conconcon.org

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NationalConstitutionalConvention06

http://www.publicbankinginstitute.org

[-] 1 points by HankRearden (476) 3 years ago

Ever see the Cheech and Chong video with the powdered soap and the jar of pee? Funniest three minutes on YouTube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyrl1G6MUz0

What's the connection? The Fed is the soap, and Zimbabwe style paper money printing is the pee.

Paper money is the problem. Not just the criminality of charging us interest on its creation. Don't drink the pee!

[-] 1 points by eric1 (152) from Corona, CA 3 years ago

If you haven't noticed, paper money is what makes the world go round and makes our lives very convenient on many fronts. I don't want to be carrying around a whole lot of gold or silver coins to be very frank.

[-] 1 points by HankRearden (476) 3 years ago

Most money is electronic anyway, and that is even more convenient. The difference is, your dollar is payable in -- whatever you are lucky enough to get for it before its value disappears. Gold-backed or silver-backed currency is what we used to have. That's why they were called notes, because they were redeemable. For something. Something real. Right now they are not redeemable, and each one that is issued consists literally of a promise to tax you more later to pay back real value to the ones who printed it. Big difference. One represents un-asked for debt that you are responsible to pay, even as the value of your savings is stolen, and the other represents real wealth already produced, in other words, savings.

[-] 1 points by distortion (196) 3 years ago

lets start where the problem lies, stop allowing our politicians who make all the decisions to be bought and paid for.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 3 years ago

we are prone to infiltration and control by those who would stop us.

deal with it

question each other motives find commonality

[-] 0 points by agnosticnixie (17) from Laval, QC 3 years ago

Why? Congress is acting exactly as planned by its creators.

[-] 1 points by Reigne (175) 3 years ago

Are you suggesting that the creators planned for the members of Congress to NOT abide by their Oath? Gosh I hope that's not what you're suggesting.

[-] 0 points by agnosticnixie (17) from Laval, QC 3 years ago

I'm suggesting that the creators planned for members of congress to serve the interests of the wealthy and for congress to leave power away from the unwashed masses - congress was conceived at a time when suffrage limitations were, after all, quite frankly enormous.

[-] 1 points by Reigne (175) 3 years ago

The duties of congress are quite clear in the constitution (ie: coin money) which they are not doing ... How can you say THAT is how the creators wanted it?