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Forum Post: The movement is dying as predicted

Posted 12 years ago on Dec. 24, 2011, 1:32 p.m. EST by NOAMISRICH (28)
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I'll tell you why you don't have 2 million protestors shutting down lower manhattan. 1. Most americans are satisfied with their lives 2. Middle class people still have great material wealth compared to their grandparents generation 3. The economic collapse is not going to happen! The doomsday media and internet wackjobs responsible for this stupidity of the fringe movement is wrong again.



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[-] 1 points by NOAMISRICH (28) 12 years ago

Unemployment is falling YES General Motors is making money again YES Housing is improving YES. BTW I thought the end of the railroads ended the middle class 100 years ago? LOL keep complaining till you die guys.

[-] 0 points by mikePac (52) 12 years ago

Unemployment is falling because more people are dropping out of the roles and no longer looking for work. If GM is doing so wonderful then why don't they pay back the 26% they still owe the taxpayers??? Instead they are building a mega plant in China.

[-] 1 points by NOAMISRICH (28) 12 years ago

People you drop out are BUMS now.

[-] 1 points by flip (7101) 12 years ago

i like your handle - how did you come up with that? did you do it or did you have help. as to #3 - you must not listen to bloomberg - lots of the big boys are very worried. the rest of it is nonsense as you know - that is why the rich will hire people to try to subvert any movement for change - they know support is very thin for the status quo. 85% of the population feel that the economic system is inherently unfair - if you have any brains you should be a little nervous - you know what happened to quilsing!

[-] 0 points by earnyours (124) 12 years ago

It never was a "movement" and it never represented the "99%". Both were massive oversells to get attention and both were pure air-ball aspirations.

[-] 0 points by flip (7101) 12 years ago

your opinions - nothing else and not much behind them or between your ears - like i said - they know support is very thin for the status quo. 85% of the population feel that the economic system is inherently unfair -google the polls then counter with some fact not your horse shit opinion - you are a quisling - google it!

[-] 0 points by earnyours (124) 12 years ago

All opinions. It was pretty funny though to see something self-declared a "movement" on the first day.

[-] 1 points by AFarewellToKings (1486) 12 years ago

" When the addresses issued by this Congress reached England, Chatham paid the following remarkable tribute to the men who framed them: -- "When your lordships look at the papers transmitted us from America -- when you consider their decency, firmness, and wisdom, you cannot but respect their cause. . . . For myself I must declare and avow, that in all my reading and observation . . . that for solidity of reasoning, force of sagacity, and wisdom of conclusion . . . no nation or body of men can stand in preference to the Congress at Philadelphia. I trust that it is obvious to your lordships, that all attempts to impose servitude upon such men, to establish despotism over such a mighty continental nation, must be vain, must be fatal."


[-] 1 points by rickMoss (435) 12 years ago

The movement is really not a movement so it will eventually die off. But it will come back in another form because the problems are still here and getting worse. Your fooling yourself if you think Americans middle class is a wealth as you think. And the economic collapse has already happened. That's what all the bailouts are about all over the world. Eventually the bailouts won't work either and you will be forced to wake up.


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[-] 1 points by JadedCitizen (4277) 12 years ago

1 LIE - 1 in 2 Americans live in near or in poverty. This is not satisfied.

2 LIE - The Middle Class is becoming extinct. This is not greater material wealth.

3 IRRELEVANT - A LIAR'S word means nothing.

[-] 1 points by flip (7101) 12 years ago

i am with you here - he is a fool just trying to provoke people - obvious that the first two points have no validity. as to #3, the people who run the world are nervous - that is obvious if you listen to the economic news - one way or the other the world is heading for a meltdown - this system is unsustainable. having said that i think we need to ignore the idiots and eventually they will just go away - i have trouble doing it but this could be einstein's definition of insanity!

[-] 1 points by JadedCitizen (4277) 12 years ago

Wise man say; when encounter a fool, counter with aloof.

[-] -1 points by ronjj (-241) 12 years ago

Wecome to the real world. May I make a suggest on how we can improve on 1 LIE:

Really, all that we have to do is to further grow the 1-2 in or near proverty. This only adds to the increase in wealth among the 1%. By growing this group that we call the poor, the goverment will be required to put forth more money to support the group which will in basically one step transfer this money as a block into the 1%. The one percent will have no incentive to do anything with that money other than just keep it and try to spend what they can.

If the government decides to raise the top of the poverty classification and take in say 50% of the existing middle class and they start to give them money, the wealth will flow in even great amount ot the rich and they will have way too much to even attempt to deal with. They will actually begin to do dumb things like pay their CEO 145M$ or something.

Welcome to December 2011. I can only pray for the good fortune of the poor in the form of more money for welfare, food stamps and unemployment. It will come back to me every other week in fantastic amounts. I won't even have to hire more workers to sell stuff to get it back. I even get a 50% discount by buying it in China. I got this going on big time and I do not want anyone to know. Just call me greedy - I can easily handle that with a wave of my hand. Just don't let the government stop those payments because of you do, I might have to go to work and build factories and hire workers so that they have some money to spend so that I can make at least a reasonable profit. The way, it is, that cash flows right up here. As a matter of fact, please write to your Congressman and tell them that they HAVE to increase the debit limit to keep this thing going for me. Some people are against me and are saying that the government should not borrow any more to keep this cycle going and that is hogwash. Tell them to go all the way and raise that limit to 20-25T$. The poor people really need it - hehehe.

SIGNED - the 1% and raking it in from the suckers.

[-] 1 points by JadedCitizen (4277) 12 years ago

Irrelevant. Next liar, please.

[-] 0 points by ronjj (-241) 12 years ago

Nothing NEW??? That is exactly what the mantra has been for the past 40 years. IRRELEVANT?? How is that irrelevant thing been working out for you as an individual?? How about for our country??

If what I posted is irrelevant to you, you must one of the happiest people in this country. Glad to hear that you like it the way it is and are doing fine today. Me too..

[-] 1 points by JadedCitizen (4277) 12 years ago

Forgive my dyslexia, I mistakenly typed irrelevant, but I really meant irritating.

[-] 0 points by ronjj (-241) 12 years ago

WELL at least you are capable of a reaction. More than I can say for most typists around here this evening.

Lots of luck with the irritating. Remember what Mom used to say. "Don't scratch it you will only make it worse."

[-] 1 points by JadedCitizen (4277) 12 years ago

Thanks, lots of luck with being irrigation. Remember that other thing Mom used to say. "Scratch a dog and you'll find a permanent job."

[-] 0 points by ronjj (-241) 12 years ago

So, you really are dyslexic. No problem.

I will choose between: irrelevant, irritating and irrigation. Please don't feel that you have to help.

Have a great day.

[-] 1 points by JadedCitizen (4277) 12 years ago

No, I'm really dysdercus. Big problem for my cotton shirts.

Multiple choice tests are easy. You shouldn't need any of my help with that.

Acquire a groan box.

[-] 1 points by fucorporatemedia (451) 12 years ago

Occupy TV stations

The stupidity and corruption of the media is the problem here.

They are lying about the movement, turning people against it, pretending it is a bunch of self centered college students who want free stuff.

This is why Occupy must now Occupy the TV stations, surround the stations with signs of truth, with demands for accountability and demand they tell the truth about what we really stand for.

When the rest of America finds out we are all just regular people, standing up for our fellow citizens that have been screwed over by very illegal behaviors and the inaction of our justice system....then they will realize that they too know people who have been screwed over, and they too have a heart and believe in the fundamental good of the American people, that the greedy hoarders really have gone too far, and the corruption of our Congress and Justice system is unacceptable to them as well.

There are millions of people that have not been paying attention or seeking information on their own, who still believe the corporate media.

This is why our social media is not enough, we must reach the rest of the masses.

They are using our public airwaves to lie every day...time for us to take our public airwaves back.

Here is a good place to start: When banks have routinely filed falsified mortgage promissory notes, with tens of thousands of fraudulent documents filed in tens of thousands of cases – “rampant, self-evident, easy to prosecute” fraud – what does it take to get prosecutions ?’ http://occupywallst.org/forum/when-banks-have-routinely-filed-falsified-mortgage/

(and I'll tell you why your comments prove you are wrong, because you are here, trying to squash the movement because some 1%er greedy asshole is paying you because they are very very afraid of this movement which you all claim is so insignificant. I know it is difficult to find jobs these days, but no amount of money will buy back your soul after you work for these evil bastards)

[-] 1 points by laptop (11) 12 years ago

Your wrong on all counts- and my proof is- i believe it--

[-] 1 points by infonomics (393) 12 years ago

You write "most Americans are satisfied with their lives."

How do you explain this:

If you argue that we cannot trust polls, you are discrediting the business of Gallup.

[-] 1 points by TechJunkie (3029) from Miami Beach, FL 12 years ago

Oddly enough, you posted a poll that shows slightly more than half of Amerians "thriving", apparently to refute the proposition that, "most Americans are satisfied with their lives." So you proved yourself wrong? I'm a little confused.

[-] 1 points by infonomics (393) 12 years ago

Yes, I will admit that 53% would qualify as "most" but the poll like all polls assumes a margin of error, which in this case is ±4 percentage points. I regret the omission. In any event, the more salient understanding is that an argument for the death of the movement based upon 3% percentage points is like throwing a Hail Mary pass with very little time on the clock--it is manifestation of desperation. Nonetheless, I am never too proud that I would deny my errors; so, yes, 53% does qualify as "most", with the understanding that there is a probability that the poll is off by -4% (or likewise +4%). Now that we have had this exchange, what has it really done for the 48% or is your greater interest to be pedantic at 1:00 o'clock in the morning? If the latter, you've succeeded.

[-] 1 points by TechJunkie (3029) from Miami Beach, FL 12 years ago

Pedantic?!? You're the one who disproved your own assertion. You made an assertion and then posted evidence that -- disproved it. You're apparently hoping that people will just not think for themselves and realize that? You probably shouldn't have posted the poll results at all.

And who is "desperate"? That doesn't seem to make any more sense than disproving your own proposition.

From all of this, we now know that according to Gallup, most Amercans are "thriving", a little under half are "struggling", and only a small percentage are "suffering". The reason that I say that you probably shouldn't have posted the poll in the first place is that those numbers could mean anything. Exactly what is the definition of "thriving"? Lower the bar just a little and you can change the numbers. So if the numbers don't mean much anyway, and if they refute your own assertion, then why post them at all?

[-] 1 points by infonomics (393) 12 years ago

You argue that the post should have never been. The graph draws attention to the notion of "most" which invited a response by me. Without the graph, people will have some vague understanding about "most." With the graph and the footnote disclosure, people will understand that "most" is a modest majority or possibly not a majority at all, if the minus margin of error is considered. You seemed to be concern about people thinking for themselves, so, to that end, which is better, to offer the word "most" or showing a graphic that illustrates the exact sentiment of the people?

My claim for desperation remains the same. To cite the death of the movement when you consider the understanding in the aforementioned paragraph smacks of desperation. Moreover, allow the people themselves to play the requiem for the movement through public opinion, not an argument based upon vagueness represented by "most."

Lastly, you write "so if the numbers don't mean much anyway, and if they refute your own assertion, then why post them at all?" You concluded they had no meaning, not me. You seem to have little regard for polls and by extrapolation, Capitalism itself. From Gallup:

Gallup has studied human nature and behavior for more than 75 years. Gallup's reputation for delivering relevant, timely, and visionary research on what people around the world think and feel is the cornerstone of the organization. Gallup employs many of the world's leading scientists in management, economics, psychology, and sociology, and our consultants assist leaders in identifying and monitoring behavioral economic indicators worldwide. Gallup's 2,000 professionals deliver services at client organizations, through the Web, at Gallup University's campuses, and in more than 40 offices around the world.

Are you attempting to argue that a company of 75 years with those 2,000 employed Americans ("thriving?") actually market a bogus product? To do so would cast a dark cloud upon capitalism and their thriving adherents. To boast of employment yet to confess to producing a dubious product is, well, dubious. Inflating the GDP with nonsense, it seems.

Lastly, I wish to thank you for giving reason for one more blog in my blog-a-thon gig but, as I originally argued and continue to maintain, it is possessed with pedantry. If you are one of those ilks that must have the last word, please do so as I know I would. Heck, I will even read it but do not expect a reply and do not assume my silence is a sign of surrender; it is exhaustion from trifling.

[-] 1 points by TechJunkie (3029) from Miami Beach, FL 12 years ago

Why would you point to Gallup's reputation in the same post where you cite the margin of error as a way of casting doubt on Gallup's numbers? Your thought processes seem very confused. I'm amused at how you managed to muddle your own message and shoot yourself down. I don't have much of an opinion about whether or not most Americans are thriving, I just find your vacillation fascinating.

[-] 0 points by mee44 (71) 12 years ago

Where is the Hopey and Changey that was promised by the Celebrity in Chief and his teleprompter?

[-] 0 points by owsleader2011 (304) 12 years ago

The economic collapse has already happened.

Most american's now know their children will have a worse life than their parents.

The reason the PROTESTS failed in the USA is the police-state shut them down, the DHS/FBI/CIA/NSA has long studied such uprisings, and had prearranged MOU's already in place to allow FED's to control all major city's. The reason that OWS failed is NOT because there isn't enough unhappy people, its because the US public is terrified of their government, so they stay home and watch TV and live in fear.

This is how the USA police state is run and will continue to be run.

[-] 1 points by Brandon37 (372) 12 years ago

OK, regarding the protests, what did you expect to happen that didn't? What was the outcome you initially predicted?


[-] 0 points by justcause (44) 12 years ago

people are still here? there is no news or anything about it any more, you guys are boring that no one cares because this movement is useless.


[-] 0 points by necropaulis (491) 12 years ago

I think you're wrong on #3. It may not be tomorrow, but I think there will be a worldwide crisis within the next decade. There's imaginary money being thrown around with no one country able to pay their tab. Sooner or later, the rubber band will snap.

[-] -1 points by TIOUAISE (2526) 12 years ago


This SACRED STRUGGLE has barely even started and you are already digging its grave?

Why so anxious to bury the Movement, anyway? You wouldn't happen to be a TROLL in the service of the 1%, now would you???

[-] -1 points by karenpoore (902) 12 years ago

You are living in la la land!