Forum Post: The most important demand. Our number one demand
Posted 12 years ago on Oct. 15, 2011, 5:15 p.m. EST by occupiedwallstreet
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If you make over 250k, you should be taxed at 75%. Those making under 50k should be taxed at 0%. Those making under 100k should be taxed at 20%. 35% for 100-150k and 150k to 250 at 50%.
It's that simple.
It doesn't matter what tax schedule you propose...as long as the politicians are bought and paid for by the corporations and the wealthy, via unlimited anonymous contributions, you will get nothing passed. The powers that be won't even agree to have the billion dollar corporate profits taxed at the rate secretaries pay!!!! So, you might want to re-think what THE most important demand would be. A hint: GET MONEY OUT OF POLITICS by campaign finance reform and, more importantly, eliminating "corporate. Personhood" that allows unlimited contributions as part of these "persons" rights
Campaign finance reform first and foremost!
DUMB. I love how there's an incredible body of research on this topic that scores of researchers have spent decades of their lives to come up with so that we can have intelligent conversations about this subject, but people still pull numbers out of their butts and act like there's any legitimacy to them.
Personally, I'd like OWS's number one demand to be campaign finance reform, maybe consisting of a constitutional amendment to overturn Citizens United. It's not divisive along party lines and is all about the 99% vs. 1%. I don't care about the 1%'s disproportionate amount of wealth, but I do care about their disproportionate amount of political power.
no. get money out of politics
You are the reason the 1% think OWS are retarded
Come on, be realistic! Ask for something that will pass congress....
I made a post that was so much more intelligent than this & almost no one read it, perhaps I should have added something dumb in there.
It's really not that simple. Money created by the FED and that whole system need to get out of this country! You solution and demand does not address the big picture, the elephant in the room -> FED.....THE whole planet needs change away from a FAKE MONEY DEBT SLAVE SYSTEM...
It's really not that simple. Money created by the FED and that whole system need to get out of this country! You solution and demand does not address the big picture, the elephant in the room -> FED.....THE whole planet needs change away from a FAKE MONEY DEBT SLAVE SYSTEM...
Then where is the incentive to make more money? Why bother? Might as well sit on my arse all day and collect welfare?
"RSA Animate - Drive: The surprising truth about what motivates us " http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6XAPnuFjJc
Why would anyone want to aspire to make more money under that tax? Its about making it fair for everyone, not making a nation of under achievers.
While I disagree with this proposal, I think the answer to your question is fairly obvious: people would aspire to make more money under that tax system because... then they'd have more money and could afford more things.
Understood, but I feel if there would be a even bigger gap between the middle and upper class.
I'm below the poverty line. I hardly notice the taxes I pay, so I don't need a 0% tax rate. Also if you do that, you risk the emergence BS laws that may very well limit or take away voting rights. What I notice are my bills. I get gouged, especially in the winter (natural gas heat).
I like the fact that I can call myself a taxpayer. I don't get to contribute a whole awful lot and I wouldn't want what I do put in to be taken away.
I see you chose the user name "occupiedwallstreet"... but I don't believe you are speaking for OWS, as their's is "occupywallst".
Please CHANGE YOUR USER NAME so as to avoid confusing people.
I, like all of us here, are speaking for OWS. We are the 99. Who do you side with?
"....like all of us here..."??? PARDON? The site, as we all know, is crawling with trolls! I'm sorry, but you just don't sound trustworthy at all.
Whose side I am on? On the side of OWS... and on the side of clarity and honesty.
That's why I object to your user name: it too closely resembles the name used by the real OWS people. And so I ask you for the second time : "Please CHANGE YOUR USER NAME so as to avoid confusing people."
I am physically here. That is what I meant by all of us here.
You are not the leader of this group. I will not change my name, I've had it since I got here on Sept 20.
that is way too high of a tax.
http://www.businessinsider.com/do-low-tax-rates-on-rich-people-ruin-the-economy-2011-7 "Some of the most prosperous periods in US history (1950s and 1960s) have come during periods of super-high marginal income tax rates [reaching 92%]. And some of the most disastrous periods in US history (1930s, 2010s) have come after periods of super-low income tax rates. In the good periods, moreover, the middle-class boomed and inequality between the country's highest earners and everyone else shrank. In the bad periods, meanwhile, inequality soared, and the richest 1% of the population came to earn a staggering amount of the country's income. (In the past, this inequality was addressed by a massive hiking of tax rates, which we imagine will eventually happen this time, too."
It is needed so we can get what we deserve. Free education, erasure of all debt, free healthcare, rent, and other rights that all humans should have.
those are not rights and you'll never get that... "erasure of all debt" is an extreme absurdity... "free rent" is also absurd...
I do not believe that all humans have a right to free rent or the erasure of their debt. This view does not represent OWS.
Yes it does.
Um, no it doesn't. But the more important point is that these are foolish demands.
If all debt could be wiped out without consequences at any point for any reason, then no one would offer loans to anyone. Then the entire credit system would vanish, causing economic catastrophe -- particularly for the 99% who depend upon credit. OWS seeks to help -- not harm -- the 99%, and so this demand is inconsistent with the OWS movement.
If rent were free, then no one would rent out their property. Consequently, all those who did not own a home would be forced out on the streets. That would harm all of those who cannot afford to buy a home for themselves -- that is, members of the 99%. OWS seeks to help -- not harm -- the 99%, and so this demand is inconsistent with the OWS movement.
Also, FYI, the demand for free education was debated and rejected here: http://occupywallst.org/forum/proposed-list-of-demands-please-help-editadd-so-th/
You are incorrect. We will demand all of these.
You're free to demand anything you want. But you have already been left behind by the OWS movement. We're just not interested in faith-based proposals that would only harm the 99% if they weren't utterly utopian (really, dystopian). We're interested in real solutions to real problems, and that's how we shall realize a better world.
where did you get that number?
It is a number that is fair to the 99.
I really think corporations should pay a hell of a lot more
Exactly, corporations should pay 95% tax.
that number is almost the equivalent of the highest tax bracket in 1950. I think its already at 75% if you're a small business owner, after the govt goes to it, because the govt taxes state, federal, social security, city, and a bunch of others. but i agree, t should be higher.