Forum Post: The more we evaluate everything with money, the less we are worth

Posted 12 years ago on Dec. 17, 2011, 2:08 a.m. EST by benjamin (3)
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Not only have we already evaluated everything in nature with money, the entire planet, then the human, now we are also evaluating individual countries and even the time that we would need to solve all the problems that are linked to money.

We evaluate things that cannot be evaluated. It's abnormal. It's sick. We are sick, addicted to money; a drug that is running short. Where this is all going, we can see on TV day after day. And it's going to get worse.

Governments will be declaring state of emergencies, dictatorships will again begin to rise. With the help of military and police, the empire of capital will take over the world. The 1% will rule while the 99% will work and kill each other. And all of this will happen sooner than the bill that nature has yet to issue. The bill that we won't be able to pay with money because nature doesn't know money.

That's why I write about ecohumanism. So that our agony with money comes to an end. So that we could avoid violence and misery. So that we begin to work for ourselves and no longer for money. So that all of us would live in peace and prosperity.

That's why need to demand a new social order, a new world. We need to build an ecohumanist world. We owe this to our children and grandchildren. It is on us to build a world of content people who respect themselves, others and nature.

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[-] 1 points by randart (498) 12 years ago

The plain fact is that there are more people in the world than it can naturally support. We keep managing, at the moment, to produce food on land that would otherwise not be food producing land through the use of chemicals made from petroleum and water from aquifers that are beginning to run low in many places.

There is a large aquifer in the western desert region of the US called the Ogalala (sp?) aquifer. It is the remnant of the last ice age. Huge numbers of people rely on this fresh water source because it is a desert after all. Imagine if that ran out. Where would those people go? Many countries rely on glacial runoff but the glaciers are in recession so what do you think will happen when the glaciers finally fade? Glacier Park is expected to have no more glaciers by 2020. How many live along the rivers that come from these glaciers?

The Colorado River once ran into the Sea of Cortez but it no longer does. It has been siphoned off for cities and farms in the US to make nearly uninhabitable places habitable. Millions of people rely on this water source for food and water but if you take a look at lake Meade (again sp?) its water level has dropped over the years.

The time is now to try and avert a major disaster but people can't see the storm coming through the fog of their wants. There will soon be a heavy toll on all of us and money will no longer mean a thing. Even those who are storing up gold thinking they are planning for a financial collapse will find it to be of little value, you can't eat gold.

The ecohumanism you talk about should have been done early in the '70s but humans are not intelligent enough to see beyond their next favorite TV show. It is time for people to clan up with intelligent and biracial small communities. Keep a well stocked library of books on growing foods and the manufacture of old technologies so these things are not forgotten.

I hate to be the downer in the room but these things are happening today and as the population increases they will only get worse. I don't think technology will be able to save us from ourselves in the end. Just too many people on the planet right now. Ma Nature does know economics on a grand scale and she will very soon send us the bill for our excesses.

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[-] 1 points by voluntaryist (5) 12 years ago

You didn't make an argument. You went from premise to conclusion by saying money is used to evaluate stuff, therefore it is bad. That is not an argument. I hear your strong feelings. Feelings are valuable, but they are not enough for an argument. You need logic and evidence to discover cause and effect. Tell me, when is the last time someone died from bills of money? Must have been a lot of paper cuts.

Money is not the problem. You think children learn how to be violent from money? Here's an argument on The Roots of Violence by Alice Miller:

All children are born to grow, to develop, to live, to love, and to articulate their needs and feelings for their self-protection.
For their development, children need the respect and protection of adults who take them seriously, love them, and honestly help them to become oriented in the world.
When these vital needs are frustrated and children are, instead, abused for the sake of adults' needs by being exploited, beaten, punished, taken advantage of, manipulated, neglected, or deceived without the intervention of any witness, then their integrity will be lastingly impaired.
The normal reactions to such injury should be anger and pain. Since children in this hurtful kind of environment are forbidden to express their anger, however, and since it would be unbearable to experience their pain all alone, they are compelled to suppress their feelings, repress all memory of the trauma, and idealize those guilty of the abuse. Later they will have no memory of what was done to them.
Disassociated from the original cause, their feelings of anger, helplessness, despair, longing, anxiety, and pain will find expression in destructive acts against others (criminal behavior, mass murder) or against themselves (drug addiction, alcoholism, prostitution, psychic disorders, suicide).
If these people become parents, they will then often direct acts of revenge for their mistreatment in childhood against their own children, whom they use as scapegoats. Child abuse is still sanctioned - indeed, held in high regard - in our society as long as it is defined as child-rearing. It is a tragic fact that parents beat their children in order to escape the emotions stemming from how they were treated by their own parents.
If mistreated children are not to become criminals or mentally ill, it is essential that at least once in their life they come in contact with a person who knows without any doubt that the environment, not the helpless, battered child, is at fault. In this regard, knowledge or ignorance on the part of society can be instrumental in either saving or destroying a life. Here lies the great opportunity for relatives, social workers, therapists, teachers, doctors, psychiatrists, officials, and nurses to support the child and to believe her or him.
Till now, society has protected the adult and blamed the victim. It has been abetted in its blindness by theories, still in keeping with the pedagogical principles of our great-grandparents, according to which children are viewed as crafty creatures, dominated by wicked drives, who invent stories and attack their innocent parents or desire them sexually. In reality, children tend to blame themselves for their parents' cruelty and to absolve the parents, whom they invariably love, of all responsibility.
For some years now, it has been possible to prove, through new therapeutic methods, that repressed traumatic experiences of childhood are stored up in the body and, though unconscious, exert an influence even in adulthood. In addition, electronic testing of the fetus has revealed a fact previously unknown to most adults-that a child responds to and learns both tenderness and cruelty from the very beginning.
In the light of this new knowledge, even the most absurd behavior reveals its formerly hidden logic once the traumatic experiences of childhood need no longer remain shrouded in darkness.
Our sensitization to the cruelty with which children are treated, until now commonly denied, and to the consequences of such treatment will as a matter of course bring to an end the perpetuation of violence from generation to generation.
People whose integrity bas not been damaged in childhood, who were protected, respected, and treated with honesty by their parents, will be - both in their youth and in adulthood - intelligent, responsive, empathic, and highly sensitive. They will take pleasure in life and will not feel any need to kill or even hurt others or themselves. They will use their power to defend themselves, not to attack others. They will not be able to do otherwise than respect and protect those weaker than themselves, including their children, because this is what they have learned from their own experience, and because it is this knowledge (and not the experience of cruelty) that has been stored up inside them from the beginning. It will be inconceivable to such people that earlier generations had to build up a gigantic war industry in order to feel comfortable and safe in this world. Since it will not be their unconscious drive in life to ward off intimidation experienced at a very early age, they will be able to deal with attempts at intimidation in their adult life more rationally and more creatively.