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Forum Post: The members of the movement are smart and have tremendous resolve. We know that, among other things, we are engaged in a battle for the hearts and minds of the American people and proven non-violent direct action tactics are our best weapon. Here's why..

Posted 13 years ago on Oct. 27, 2011, 6:52 a.m. EST by therising (6643)
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Many people are predicting the movement will turn violent. They're wrong. People who say this underestimate our resolve and our intelligence.

We will remain non-violent. That is where our power is and we know it. We didn't invent this. We are following it because we know forceful provocative non-violent non-resistance works. These are proven tactics. King, Gandhi, Gene Sharp and others have all pointed the way and we are following their tactics. We know Gandhi beat the British wearing simple robes and he and his supporters had no weapons. We know King and his supporters won civil rights for millions using active non-violent resistance.

It is interesting that a few folks are defending the right of the 1% to order the police to go into a park with violence against peaceful protesters. Remember, the police shot a marine (someone who'd done 2 tours in Iraq) in the head with a tear gas cylinder giving him a fractured skull. While a dozen young people came to his aid, the police fired projectiles and tear gas at them. See this video and it's plain as day: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZLyUK0t0vQ&feature=youtube_gdata_player .

A few are defending the fact that the Oakland police fired tear has canisters at a disabled man in a wheelchair. It's indefensible. And the 1% made a huge tactical error with all this violence on their part against peaceful protester in a park.. 40 - 60% of the American public supported the movement before this tragedy. Now the American public will support the movement even more.

The 1% ordered the police to come into the park full of peaceful protesters with violence because they want the protesters to become violent. It didn't work. We know that American people will be turned off by violence and we know that this is a clear battle for the hearts and minds of the American public. The 1% are slowly losing their grip on these hearts and minds and the movement is winning hearts an minds. You will see the 1% try like heck now to get the 99% to get violent. But we won't go for it. We won't take the bait.

We're in this to win it non-violently. We won't take the bait.

Bongo Jerry, Rastafarian poet, explains why we will prevail:

"Sooner or later but mus' the dam going to bus' And every person will break out Who will stop them? The force? What force can stop a river of people who know their course?"

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[-] 2 points by Idaltu (662) 13 years ago

This is a struggle OWS cannot win with violence of any sort. It is simple: the opponents have all the control over violent acts. The system in control of the populace is nearly indestructible via violent measures because government has been planning for these events for a long time. But that does not mean it cannot be brought down. What is required is a change in tactics. And that is something the populace can do quickly and government cannot. Historically the purpose of a violent revolution was to stop the abuse coming from those in power. That abuse can still be stopped, but not by violent means. What is necessary is to understand what maintains the system in place. First and foremost is Fear and that eliminates many people from doing anything except protesting in the streets. However, those same people are capable of using passive aggressive behavior such as joining a Boycott of credit card purchases. A 24 hour moratorium across the nation on credit purchases will demonstrate that the populace is not without power. A one week moratorium well create havoc for the banking system which funds all of government. A non ending moratorium on credit card purchases will collapse the entire system in less than a month.

[-] 2 points by therising (6643) 13 years ago

It's time to rise up. Non-violently. We need to replace every protester who is sent to jail with.2 more protesting non-violently in the street.

[-] 1 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 12 years ago

If bleed we must then bleed we shall,

and upon their heads will rest that stain.

May that thread that permeates the universe

and binds us together in peace and in love

guide and protect all, and let us take great pride:

we are a secular nation. We are a progressive nation.

. . . . . . . . . We are not afraid. . . . . . . . . .

[-] 1 points by therising (6643) 13 years ago

What force can stop a river of people who know their course?

[-] 1 points by therising (6643) 13 years ago

Rise and shine

[-] 1 points by gnomunny (6819) from St Louis, MO 13 years ago

They will plant agents just like they did to get the Citibank patrons arrested. Stay vigilant, my friends. Here's a link speaking of the effectiveness of nonviolent protest. It's a bit wordy but worth the read: http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2011/02/16/revolution_u?page=full

[-] 1 points by therising (6643) 13 years ago

The people united and nonviolent can never be defeated.

[-] 1 points by therising (6643) 13 years ago

Once we the 99% realize that we have more things in common than we have separating us, we will be able to make decisions from a position of unified power rather than demands from a position of divided weakness.

Rise up!

[-] 1 points by therising (6643) 13 years ago

Let's roll.... nonviolently.

[-] 1 points by gawdoftruth (3698) from Santa Barbara, CA 13 years ago

we can have a non violent revolution in under two months if we just pull together some real organization and occupy pulls its head out of its ass.

otherwise it will fail over lack of organization.

I have been active here since the very beginning, and since the very beginning I have been trying to make some core points. These points clearly have not been digested or fully understood by the mob, and so I'm going to try to make a further attempt here again.

  1. Merely protesting in the streets will not bring change. In fact merely protesting in the streets is in fact a means to the end of avoiding the real work of a revolution, which consists of the evolutionary solutions, answers, problem solving process, and new political alignment we create.
  2. This forum is absolutely disorganized. It won't be read by most people and it won't and can't function as a core organizational system.
  3. Back at the very start of this, I petitioned the admin to add multiple sub forums and a wiki. Multiple sub forums were promised but have never arrived. I think that this tells us that the intention actually of this forum is message control and containment. The entire purpose really of this forum has always been to keep us spinning in disorganization. We are hanging out on a forum that expressly exists to actually keep us confused and disorganized.
  4. The real work of a revolution isn't going to happen on forums, it needs to happen in a much more organized fashion using collaborative software.
  5. The assorted other details about how to collaborate, how to work open source direct democracy, how to focus in on science instead of isms, how to become hyper rational about this, are details which are essential and crucial, without which we can predict the movement to fail.
  6. Technically speaking we are not 99 percent, we are one tenth of one percent attempting to represent the 99 percent. Our core mission must be to communicate to and with the 99 percent, and get them to join us. This forum will not accomplish that and neither will any of the other main websites.
  7. You can follow other people out to other wikis and other websites, where they will try to get you to get involved with what they want and their program, but frankly speaking, there is no other website and no other operation out there which understands the complexities involved with meaningful organization. In short, everyones being led to get involved here there and everywhere else, scattering the movement in directions which ultimately do not gain us critical mass, criticial momentum, or critical systemic lucidity.
  8. I have managed to get a wiki put up and have already put on that wiki evolutionary details which make it more organized than anything else. I can't do this alone. There are 10 or so wikis now out there, most of which were created in response to my pleas for a wiki, and several of which are in domains owned and operated by some corporation, (wikia, etc) And which we can thus assume will simply be closed, shut down, or deleted if they become useful to the movement.
  9. Probably at least half of the invites you have to go participate at some other site are people who are scamming everyone to waste time and energy, distort the movement, co opt it, and etc. When you walk off into a closet ask yourself how you know that the closet isn't created by some fed, or by some republican, or by some democrat, in order to sway things in their direction.
  10. The only meaningful strategic option we have for real change in this country is to create a new third party, and take every political office in this country.
  11. Once that is done, we can have an article 5 convention. If we have an article 5 convention before getting rid of the oligachs, that just opens the genie from the bottle for them to abuse that process with their corruption and evil.
  12. As of last night and this morning, you can't even answer responses on this site without geting a 403 error, logging in requries you to back click after a 403 error, and the chat simply doesn't load.

For these reasons, I beg of you to please immediately join me on the wiki. We need to have all of these details and all of these ideas put together in an organized fashion, rather than posted in a long scrawl which will never be read.

http://occupythiswiki.org/wiki/THE_99%25_POLITICAL_PARTY

http://occupythiswiki.org/wiki/Main_Page

http://www.followthemoney.org/?gclid=CMbY87bB-qsCFUPt7Qod9HE8mQ

http://maplight.org/us-congress/guide/data/money?9gtype=search&9gkw=list%20of%20campaign%20donations&9gad=6213192521.1&9gag=1786513361&gclid=CP61oYbB-qsCFQFZ7AodcTF0jw

http://www.opensecrets.org/

http://occupywallst.org/forum/our-new-wiki/

http://occupywallst.org/forum/non-violence-evolution-by-paradigm-shift/

[-] 1 points by therising (6643) 13 years ago

Rise and shine.

[-] 1 points by mgiddin1 (1057) from Linthicum, MD 13 years ago

Great post! Absolutely true.

Every act of police brutality will go viral and only continue to build the momentum of OWS - more Americans will be won over to the movement as they see the protestors being nonviolent, expressing their first amendment rights, and then they see police brutalizing them.

[-] 1 points by Nevada1 (5843) 13 years ago

Hi Therising, Goodpost. Best Regards, Nevada

[-] 1 points by therising (6643) 12 years ago

Hope you're doing well

[-] 0 points by Nevada1 (5843) 12 years ago

Hi therising, Doing well. Hope same for you.

[-] 1 points by therising (6643) 13 years ago

Rise and shine!

[-] 1 points by therising (6643) 13 years ago

Let's make our reaction massive, forceful, tactical, beautiful and non-violent. Let's not do what U.S. did reflexively after 9/11 when we squandered the good will of the world. They are behind us now. Let's honor that with non-violent direct action. Forceful but non-violent.

[-] 1 points by therising (6643) 13 years ago

Watch for saboteurs who will try to incite violence. We need to practice for when this occurs (we can't stop it but we can control our reaction). Best course of action if saboteur starts using violence is to sit down immediately wherever you are and calmly but loudly say " This person is not part of our group. We are non-violent. Then the image that night on the nightly news is of this line guy standing there looking ridiculous. The key is practicing it. Understanding it is not enough. We need to develop the habit so it kicks in automatically when emotions run high.

[-] 1 points by PandaMe73 (303) from Oakland, CA 13 years ago

Well said as usual :)