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Forum Post: The majority of "the elite" are Zionists not all are Jews

Posted 2 years ago on Dec. 7, 2011, 6:28 p.m. EST by exmachina (94)
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I made this post in a thread however I believe it needs to be in a post on its own to help clear it up for people!

Judaism and Zionism - one is not like the other! A Zionist does not have to be Jewish. Zionism is a cult ideology and followers are as likely to be any of any ethnic background or religion. Zionists make up the majority of individuals commonly referred to as "the elite" and yes a large number of them are Jewish however saying all Jews are Zionists is like saying, all Muslims are terrorists, that is fundamentally incorrect and should not happen! Furthermore individuals who identify themselves as Israeli, are people born in Israel but could be Muslim or Christians or none of the above mentioned. << That is in fact the situation of my business partner. He is born in Israel, served in the Israeli military, identifies himself as an Israeli, is firmly against elite Zionists and is not Jewish.

Off topic: In my personal opinion, if a Muslim fundamentalist group is labelled as "terrorists" because they kill people. Then a Zionists cult made up of whoever should also fall under the same umbrella for waging traditional and economic warfare.

No I'm not Jewish or a Zionist or an Israeli, I'm in fact of European dissent and an Atheist to clear the air of any bias.

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[-] 2 points by mobius1ski (18) 2 years ago

Zionism, as a political ideology, expresses the belief that Jews, as an ethnic minority group, have the right to self-determination in their ancestral homeland. Judaism, as a religious belief system, promotes the view that the Jews, by the grace of God, will one day return to sovereignty in their homeland. The only real difference between Judaism and Zionism is that Judaism professes that Jews will return to the land when the Messiah comes. Zionism professes that one need not await the Messiah to return to the land. That is it. End of story.

The real tension in Jewish history is not between religious Jews and Zionists, it is between Zionists and Bundists: Those who believe that Jewish liberation will come through independent statehood and those who believe Jewish liberation will come through the revolutionary liberation of humanity. There is nothing inherently wrong with the view that Jews should be free from oppression or free from the tyranny of ethnic majorities nor that Jews should have sovereignty in their own state. The problem with Zionism is that it necessitates the dispossession of the Palestinian people in order to establish and maintain a Jewish majority in Palestine.

Everything else ascribed to Zionism is essentially fallacious anti-Jewish conspiracy theory taking on the form of anti-Zionism. It is just the very age-old anti-Jewish bigotry that gave impetus to the Zionists in the first place rearing its ugly head yet again. And the people who promote such views and call themselves progressive need to STFU and open an actual history book.

[-] 2 points by patriot85 (5) 2 years ago

Not at all...not all jews are zionists...not all zionists are jews....the above post is spot on

[-] 1 points by exmachina (94) 2 years ago

Thanks for the back up. I'm getting grilled in another thread for challenging the status quo on this topic.

[-] 2 points by patriot85 (5) 2 years ago

No problem....This site is crawling with zionists, hasbara thugs and hardcore Israeli firsters...They claim to be peaceful protesters yet they don't mind Palestinians dying or Americans dying for Israel.

[-] 0 points by owsleader2011 (304) 2 years ago

The CIA ain't christian

The Mossad ( www.debka.com Israel CIA ) ain't Jewish.

Learn this and everything will make sense.

All CIA-MOSSAD is about stealing oil and Imperialism, running the world.

[-] 1 points by bensdad (8977) 2 years ago


thanq mr. troll

[-] 1 points by owsleader2011 (304) 2 years ago

Zionists are not jews

MOSSAD is not Jewish

CIA is NOT christian

The Zionism is mostly ran by christian-fundamentalist, ran out of the Vatican since the 1880's when Zionism was introduced.

The zionist movement is right-wing christian nut-cases that wage the crusades using Jewish Blood.

The above is hard to understand after 18,000 hours of watching TV for the average ameriKKKan, but we always need to repeat.

The Israel CIA ( MOSSAD ) ain't Jewish

The Christian CIA ( USA ) ain't Christian.

They're both about STEALING OIL.

Not all OWS geeks are christian fundamentalist? Duh?

Not all Jews are right-wing assholes, most left wing jews are good people.

If anybody here wants to learn about real right-wing zionism go to the mother site www.debka.com

Today ALL politics in the USA is ran by zionist-christian assholes BUSH-CHENEY, Lieberman, ... OBAMA, ... A I P A C owns the US congress. They have destroyed the US Dollar.

[-] 1 points by TIOUAISE (2526) 2 years ago

Absolutely.

"Judaism and Zionism - one is not like the other!". Similarly, I would add : "not all Muslims are Islamic fundamentalists". And also I would point out that "not all Christians are fundamentalist cretins"... Hey, people ! You can love Jesus and his message and be just the OPPOSITE of a right-wing Christian fanatic.

I think even a 3rd-grader could understand such distinctions between wisdom and fanaticism. So why can't so many supposed "adults"???

Such distinctions are ESSENTIAL if we are to understand what is going on in the world and in American foreign policy.

[-] 2 points by exmachina (94) 2 years ago

"not all Muslims are Islamic fundamentalists"....Absolutely agree. I spent 6 months in Jordan in 2005 and have made friends whom I will probably be in contact with for the rest of life! American foreign policy is a disgrace to humanity!

[-] 0 points by TIOUAISE (2526) 2 years ago

TOTALLY CONCUR.

So far OWS has not talked in great detail about American foreign policy, but I think the time will come...

The "EMPIRE-TRIP" has destroyed this nation, morally, economically and politically. It's time the MADNESS stopped and America became a normal, PROGRESSIVE nation as it was for a long time.

[-] 1 points by warriorjoe7 (232) 2 years ago

Whatyou say may be correct (I think it is likely) however wouldn't it be better to just call them the elite (or fascist elite.) It avoids confusion while still pointing to the same people.

Identifying them as zionist does not help me to identify who any of the people are, and it turns off a lot of people who misunderstand what you mean.

[-] 1 points by TIOUAISE (2526) 2 years ago

Well, if people can't understand the simple distinction beween "Jewish" and "Zionist", it's time we educated them, isn't it?

And the FIRST thing we need to tell them is : "TURN OFF THE TV!!!" American television is owned by the big corporations, which use it as part of a mass experiment in COLLECTIVE CRETINIZATION probably unparalleled in human history.

Turning off the TV is the first step toward reclaiming your FREEDOM TO THINK CLEARLY AND FOR YOURSELF.

I guess I'm of the George Carlin school : "I'm not a good American: I like to think for myself". :)

[-] 1 points by warriorjoe7 (232) 2 years ago

I said the word zionist to a good jewish friend (actually converted jew) and her and my other friend looked at me appalled. I followed up quickly with 'I didn't say jews and that's what no what I meant' but they wouldn't let me explain.

[-] 0 points by TIOUAISE (2526) 2 years ago

In a way, I can understand their shock... I have a Muslim coworker and if I called him a "fundamentalist", he would probably scream - and for good reason too!!!

[-] 1 points by warriorjoe7 (232) 2 years ago

I did not CALL her a zionist... I merely said the word in reference to world news

[-] 0 points by TIOUAISE (2526) 2 years ago

Wow! So I guess the mere mention of the "Z-word" was enough to shock them. I'm surprised that they wouldn't even let you explain.

[-] 1 points by exmachina (94) 2 years ago

Hmm I didn't think about it that way. It's a really good point.

[-] 0 points by owsleader2011 (304) 2 years ago

That's the problem in Orwellian OWS land. You can't say zionist, you can't say AIPAC, you can't say ADL, or JDL, and you can't say "impeach Obama", what are you left saying? Nothing

The elephant in the kitchen is the fact that A I P A C ( zionist lobby ) owns the US CONGRESS, and until something changes nothing will change.

[-] 1 points by flip (6415) 2 years ago

look out i might quote chomsky on the zionist lobby - i assume you have read his critique of the paper on the influence of the jewish lobbies

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[-] 1 points by BLUTODOG (111) 2 years ago

What a crock. Zionist is just a code word for right and left wing Jew haters to hide behind.

[-] 0 points by owsleader2011 (304) 2 years ago

Everybody talks about HOPE&CHANGE. We know the problem. We can see the problem. We can touch the problem. Every member fears the problem, but discussing the problem. Forgetta-about-it. Nope this is what Democracy looks like. People discuss everything. Like all groups maybe at one time Zionism had some good ideas I know I studied it hard back in the 1980's going back to early papers and books from the 1880's. They wanted to build a new garden-of-eden for the Jewish people,... Good ideas a real UPTOPIA, I can dig that.

But along the way like all groups in the USA they got co-opted by right-wing thugs, the JDL/ADL supplied the guns from the USA to the israel-firsters back in the 1940's, just go their main usa/israel website www.debka.com an read their shit, its 24-7 of killing people and running the world.

I'm a left wing Jew, but I know my people have this terrible tendency that Jew protect Jew from the Goyim, but honestly the problem here is that left-wing Jew an right-wing Jew have nothing in common. The diatribe from zionist-right is that all Jews have more in common. That they should not support any pro-israel group, the problem is what if a group is really EVIL? I'm talking about nasty evil? That is the problem today the LIKUD that run's Israel and shadow-government that run's the USA are EVIL, but nobody is allowed to talk about it.

Lasty, and this is why I write about this shit, ultimately when the USA collapses and its collapsing now, people will find out that A I P A C destroyed the US congress, and the destroyed the US dollar and the KKK ( ameriKKKan people ) will go after all the Jews, not knowing left from right, this is my fear. So if we educate the goyim now that there are good jews and bad jews then we have a chance.

Why is ok to talk about right wing goyim and left wing goyim, but we always have to treat all jewish people as one? I myself have not stolen anything, I myself am not part of Madoff or Dimon, ... But soon I as a Jew will be blamed.

SPEAKUP people before its too late.

We used to say "NEVER AGAIN", buts happening right now before our eyes.

[-] 1 points by BLUTODOG (111) 2 years ago

I'm sorry to have to tell u this but that same BS line was tried by Jews in Germany back in the 20's and 30's as the fascists spread their poison. Left wing Socialist Jews denounced the Jews that were business people and so on and so forth. Guess what THEY all fcking ended up in Auschwitz left wing Jews right wing Jews didn't make a bit of difference. The Native Americans here had the same experience. Many fought on the side of whites but in the end they were all treated the same as Fcking Indians. Grow up, this is the real world. Do u think for one min. if the Arabs win and over run Israel they will show the JEWS there any kind of compassion? Get real , they will slaughter them to the last one and do it right in front of the rest of the world with a real bad attitude, as if every last Jew had it coming to them. So if it makes you feel better saying your a GOOD Jew and Likudnicks are all evil go ahead and do it, it won't make a bit of difference to our enemies and they are legion. Oh , by the way I'm a Progressive Jew so there, does that make me good or evil?

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