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Forum Post: The Houla massacre is the Rosetta Stone of NATO's evil true nature.

Posted 5 years ago on June 5, 2012, 10:16 a.m. EST by nomdeguerre (1775) from Brooklyn, NY
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Cui bono?

Houla horror: truth is elusive, lies are easier to spot ( http://sydwalker.info/blog/2012/05/27/houla-horror-truth-is-elusive-lies-are-easier-to-spot/ )

The Houla Massacre: Opposition Terrorists "Killed Families Loyal to the Government" ( http://www.voltairenet.org/The-Houla-Massacre-Opposition )



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[-] 2 points by toukarin (488) 5 years ago

The list of lies about Syria continues to grow. Not to mention that the world apparently does not care that Saudi Arabia, Qatar and Libya are now flooding Syria with arms and armed 'civilian' rebels who the govt is 'illegally massacring.'

What would the US response be to Mexico, Canada and the rest of south America providing arms and training to a 'civilian rebellion' which was taking over parts of the US?

[-] 2 points by francismjenkins (3713) 5 years ago

Yet, we know the Assad regime has been responsible for inflicting all sorts of horrors on its own population, we know they're perfectly capable and willing to commit atrocities and blame it on the opposition (to diminish support), and we also know that some bad characters have been trying to blend in with this opposition. But let's not loose sight of the fact that the core of the opposition against Assad are good people, willing to risk everything in their fight for liberty.

In this case, the "Russian media" reports. I mean, we all know that Putin supports his buddy Assad, we know Putin is a totalitarian, and so why the hell would we so easily accept what the Russian media states as representing the truth (given the conflicts of interest)? At minimum I think the freedom fighters of Syria deserve the benefit of the doubt, and when allegations against them are so inconsistent with their modus operandi, we should want multiple attesting witness reports that are not inconsistent with one another (and do not come from sources with dubious motives).

[-] 1 points by toukarin (488) 5 years ago

Actually... CNN has been proven to have falsified some of its 'shelling' reports... BBC was using a picture from Iraq and attempting to pass it off as one from Houla... but safely covering their asses by adding a tiny little 'unverified' in the caption...

In a matter as grave as something like this... which could decide the fate of an entire country... dont you think they should have taken the time to 'verify' it?

We also know that Saudi Arabia and Qatar are arming and training militia to attack the Assad government forces.

In the face of an armed rebellion there will be military action taken. Civilian deaths may occur and are 'regrettable'. Isn't that what we tell the Iraqis, Pakistanis and Libyans?

Military intervention is not the answer. By arming the rebels and throwing mercenaries into the mix, we have only de-legitimized their cause.

Any good that might have come from the revolution for Assads people has already been subverted by the vested interests of NATO who have no succession plan and will end up creating a situation worse than Libya and Afghanistan where there is no readily identifiable central government in charge of anything. Oh.. except for the oil fields and ports... we have our observers there looking after those...

Assad may be a cruel cruel man and a danger to his people, but every possible alternative (resulting from western intervention, such as the ongoing sedition or military) is orders of magnitude worse.

I am not even talking abour Russian media sources here... BUT... speaking of conflicts of interest... it is laughable that you believe that the western media have no 'conflict of interest' or 'dubious motives' when reporting about Syria...

Allegations against the military are also inconsistent with the MO for Houla... by your own logic... Syrian military also deserves the benefit ot the doubt....

[-] 1 points by francismjenkins (3713) 5 years ago

I say, live free or die. The Syrian people are not just fighting against corruption under a regime that's constrained against overt acts of violent repression by its own rhetoric and international relations. They're fighting against an outright tyrant. When the choice is between slavery and subjugation or death, I certainly won't hold it against people for choosing to fight to the bitter end.

[-] 1 points by nomdeguerre (1775) from Brooklyn, NY 5 years ago

Don't fall for fake news. NATO is sponsoring terrorist fighters in Syria. And the press is lying about them. It's that simple.

The false flag cover is fraying thin.

[-] 1 points by timirninja (263) 5 years ago

Funny. Imagine Alien dishes hocked up above White house and Pentagon. Bombing the buildings in order to implement new world order. zzzz To lead the people government and truly democracy like in Libya =) He he he! Read this article. this is right for ya http://occupywallst.org/forum/confession-from-an-ex-paid-shill/

[-] 1 points by toukarin (488) 5 years ago

You talk of tyrants? What about Saudi Arabia, Qatar and Bahrain... particularly Bahrain... where the military was used to quell a civilian revolt... I didn't see anyone from the western media so much as bat an eyelid at that...

Why were the rebels in Bahrain not given military aid? Why was Bahrain not ostracized? Why was Bahrain not told to send its troops back to barracks?

Double standards have no place in a civilized world... but that's American exceptional-ism for you... most of us sleep soundly at night even after hearing all day in the news about so called 'precision strikes' by our drones that kill a dozen civilians everyday...

The US/NATO military has been responsible for more violent death of civilians than all other groups (who we claim to be evil tyrants) combined in this past decade. There is something you might want to think about.

[-] 1 points by francismjenkins (3713) 5 years ago

I really don't see what any of this has to do with the fact that the Syrian people are fighting against a tyrant? I mean, it's only a double standard if we're sitting in a position of power, which we abuse, and then try to chastise others for doing the same thing ... but we, like the Syrians, are just ordinary people, not policy makers (so I really don't find your logic compelling).

Sure, it may be true that the Saudi's have made the calculation that the fall of the Assad regime is inevitable, therefore it's in their interest to support the people of Syria, so they're in a position to influence events once Assad falls. But this has no bearing on the perspective of the people of Syria.

[-] 1 points by toukarin (488) 5 years ago

It has everything to do with Syria. Why is Assad a tyrant and the rulers of Bahrain, the Khalifa's not? Bahrain used their military to put down a peaceful protest. They even took the trouble to completely demolish all of the protest sites and symbols by burning and bulldozing them. Heck... Saudi Arabia loaned Bahrain some of its troops to put them down... Why was this "civil unrest" whereas a similar situation in Syria was immediately branded "popular revolution"?

Saudi Arabia enacted draconian preventative detention measures to take into custody those of their people who might start up a revolution in their country.

Just because there is a revolution going on does not mean that the people want it or that the ruler is a tyrant. Many Syrians, more than half at last count, wanted Assad to stay.

[-] 1 points by francismjenkins (3713) 5 years ago

I agree with this point, our policy makers are applying a double standard. Obviously we glossed over suppression by our allies, whereas in the case of Syria, not an ally (indeed, an adversary), our policy makers were much more eager to go against Assad. But again, what does this have to do with what the Syrian people are going through?

I'm not sure if I communicated my point clearly enough, so I'll say it again (hopefully I'll do a better job), what the douche bags in Washington think, their chronic hypocrisy, etc., has nothing to do with the Syrian people. Yes I agree, Saudi Arabia is an oppressive state, so is Bahrain, but I'm quite sure the people of Syria had nothing to do with any of that ... nor is the fault of the people of Syria that policy makers in the United States are a bunch of double talking, hypocritical, lying pieces of shit.

The PEOPLE of Syria are fighting against a tyrant, we should therefore support them, and it's really just that simple. What the motives are of power brokers in Washington, the Saudi's, or whomever, is irrelevant (and I hope you can see my reasoning).

[-] 1 points by toukarin (488) 5 years ago

As long as the people of Syria get to decide their future government. But they wont if there is a military intervention of if the west continues to back 6 different and disjointed militia each with their own agenda. There needs to be a peace plan and a unified opposition party against Assad for this to work. Not the current free for all between the different western backed armed groups.

[-] 1 points by francismjenkins (3713) 5 years ago

The "west" -- as you call it -- will continue to do what they do (regardless of what we think), so time will tell.

[-] 1 points by Mowat (164) 5 years ago

It is true. Syria is a dictatorship which used mass-murder tactics against the civilians before.

1982, Hama was leveled by Hafiz Assad - Bashar's father - Alawite forces. Israel and its puppet government in the US gave him the green light. They were extremely happy to see tens of thousands of Muslims getting killed.

Alawites are a minority (less than 10%) in Syria's Sunni majority.

Check this link out:


[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 5 years ago

[QUOTE]ISLAMABAD (Reuters) - Pakistan on Monday strongly condemned a jump in U.S. drone strikes on its territory, using language that could increase tension between strategic allies already in dispute over military supply routes for NATO that Pakistan has closed.

Three drone strikes in as many days on suspected militants have killed 27 people, Pakistani intelligence officials say.[/QUOTE]



[-] 1 points by Renneye (3874) 5 years ago

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