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Forum Post: The GOP's New Sneak Attack on Abortion

Posted 2 years ago on May 3, 2012, 12:12 p.m. EST by GirlFriday (17435)
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A group of congressional Republicans is pushing a bill to put key health care decisions in the hands of the states, rather than the federal government. But language buried in the legislation would do the opposite on one key issue: abortion.

Rep. Todd Rokita's (R-Ind.) State Health Flexibility Act, also known as HR 4160, contains a provision that would force 17 states, including California, Massachusetts, and New York, to either discontinue programs that help low-income women pay for abortions, or spend a lot more money to purchase new insurance plans for those women. Thirty House Republicans have signed onto Rokita's proposal since it was introduced in March*, and the Republican Study Committee, a group of conservatives that includes over 70 percent of the GOP caucus, made HR 4160 part of its official budget plan.

If passed, the bill "would block the only avenue left to states that wish to make safe and legal abortions accessible to low income women," says Sara Rosenbaum, a health law expert at George Washington University.

The GOP bill is designed to change the way Medicaid—the federal health care program for the poor—operates. Currently, the federal government reimburses states for a percentage of the money they spend on Medicaid, provided states adhere to basic federal guidelines. But Rokita's bill, like the House Republican budget drafted by Rep. Paul Ryan (R-Wis.), would shift the system to a block grant model, under which states would receive fixed quarterly grants from Washington and have the freedom to set up low-income health care programs largely as they wished. There would be little in the way of minimum standards, the value of federal funding would decline dramatically over time, and states would be free to boot millions of people from their Medicaid rolls. The Republican measure would give states more say over how they spend Medicaid funds, but it forbids them from covering abortions, even with state money—unless they purchase separate abortion-only plans or buy plans that include abortion coverage entirely with state funds. Either option could potentially cost these states millions of dollars.**

A longstanding federal law, the Hyde Amendment, already bans states from spending federal Medicaid money on abortions, except in cases of rape or incest, or when the life of the mother is at stake. The 17 states that would be affected by Rokita's bill have chosen (or been compelled by court order) to cover other abortions with their own money through state health plans that work in conjunction with Medicaid.

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[-] 2 points by DanielBarton (1345) 2 years ago

way to make this a good thing federally allow abortions if a state wants it it can be done. if a state doesnt want it then so forth it can be done that way to. Bow people who want them and live in sates that arent allowed just go to another state get it done and come back.

This could be a step forward depending on the state other it will be a step back

[-] 0 points by GirlFriday (17435) 2 years ago

'Cept, you need to look at the socioeconomics of the group that is being targeted.

[-] 1 points by DanielBarton (1345) 2 years ago

i am its young women in poor places. If the state is realistic they will allow for them to happen

[-] 0 points by GirlFriday (17435) 2 years ago

Ok. Given the recent legislation and incarceration, do you see anything realistic here?

[-] 1 points by DanielBarton (1345) 2 years ago

yes state laws can be voted on by the residents of the state while federal laws can not be voted on.

it may bring the possibility of more control in our hands instead of 435 +100 in senate.

This could turn into a really good thing it will allow you to control your destine more.

[-] 0 points by GirlFriday (17435) 2 years ago

No. It would not allow me to control any aspect of my destiny. You have taken a long hard fought for right and thrown it to the dogs. I am not down with that. Here is the right that you had and maybe you will get it down the line. Nuh-uh.

[-] 1 points by DanielBarton (1345) 2 years ago

How does this take away your rights? How does letting 535 men/women vote for all 300 million of us better than the individual. where you as an separate human being can vote for against this motion and by other state citizens people voting for the law. It may be done even by county.

I cant see how your rights are being violated at all. abortions would be legal federally it just up to the state to allow them to be practiced

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[-] 0 points by GirlFriday (17435) 2 years ago

Really? How does MY right harm you or 535 other men/women?

[-] 1 points by DanielBarton (1345) 2 years ago

it doesn't im pro choice by the way. i think this the best way and will get it legally passed so people like you can do what they want with their bodies.

so answer my question

also the 535 is the amount of people in congress and senate

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 2 years ago

I already did answer your question. I have the reproductive rights by law. Non negotiable. It is already passed. I am well aware of the 535. So, answer my question.........how does it harm you or the other 535 men/women?

Answer: It doesn't. Stay out of my vagina.

[-] 1 points by DanielBarton (1345) 2 years ago

I did i dont care about your fucking vagina i dont care what you rip out or put in it. I already said im pro choice meaning if a woman wants to have one go for it. Just you must be responsible for actions (not legally but morally and emotionally)

may i ask what law

[-] 0 points by GirlFriday (17435) 2 years ago

(You know, after I said that I thought it sounded pretty damn strange but I didn't want to erase it because I was trying to make a point. )

Supreme court, actually, no actual law needs to pass as it isn't necessary. Would you like me to get the cases?

Who the hell do you think you are to talk to me about responsibility, or morality or emotions?

[-] 1 points by DanielBarton (1345) 2 years ago

yeah its roe vs wade i knew that idk why i was thinking otherwise maybe i need to go eat something.

yep look it up so if any laws do pass the supreme court will turn it over. sorry for cussing i'm with you on this i'm for people choosing.

Well i had a friend who got one she went into a deep depression afterwards. these are things that should be know to people that actions like this have consequences. I think things like this should be told to people who are thinking of getting them done.

maybe the bill could be about it being a public option or not?

[-] -1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 2 years ago

Griswold v. Connecticut

EISENSTADT v. BAIRD, 405 U.S. 438 (1972)

Roe v. Wade

In addition: Planned Parenthood of Central Missouri v. Danforth

Second time argued: BELLOTTI v. BAIRD, 443 U.S. 622 (1979)

Maher v. Roe

Beal v. Doe

Poelker v. Doe

Harris v. McRae

Food is necessary.

Don't be sorry. :D, I was absolutely over the line. I had a ZOMG I creeped myself out.

[-] 1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 2 years ago

Dont' worry, with the way this thing is going, there wont be medicaid at all pretty soon.

[-] 0 points by GirlFriday (17435) 2 years ago

Which means that this is all encompassing.

[-] 1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 2 years ago

The states are insolvent. And so are the feds. The fact that the federal gov has any role with finances for this stuff is insane to begin with. We simply cannot trust them. Now they have us by the balls

[-] 0 points by GirlFriday (17435) 2 years ago

Lemme see....NO. Disagree. Not willing to send my tax dollars to a state that merely wants to kick rocks instead of being held accountable.

[-] 0 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 2 years ago

They are all kicking rocks. The feds are the least accountable, its like a black hole for money. The only things that come out are bombs and more bullshit.

They fund everything, we dont have any real choices with anything- healthcare, energy,banking,etc. I would even go as far as to say Monsanto's partnering with the Feds has destroyed our choices of food. Its mostly all shit.

[-] -1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 2 years ago

And a half a dozen states are being run over by ALEC or the Koch brothers. The point being, it is all shit. However, let's not destroy what little resources are currently available for the actual people.

[-] 1 points by VQkag (930) 2 years ago

Insidious and misogynistic. Republicans have lurched even further right than they have been. For them it seems women are children that they must manage as they see fit. Even property to control. Then they use religion to exert that control. A war of course, and I think as a party these actions are suicidal. they haven't got a clue.

[-] -1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 2 years ago

Yeah, it's going to make that blackboard 2 blacktop training a tough gig.

[-] 1 points by VQkag (930) 2 years ago

Please explain. Sorry unfamiliar.

[-] 2 points by VQkag (930) 2 years ago

Thanks, enlightening. They are misguided to be polite.

[-] -1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 2 years ago

and you were very polite. :D

[-] 1 points by VQkag (930) 2 years ago

I'm tryin girl........friday.

[-] -1 points by DKAtoday (26307) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Wow - how blind are those women? This is a major problem when MSM with-holds the truth from the masses. Women are lied to and then recruited to harm themselves.

[-] 1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 2 years ago

Believe it or not, the unbornchild/abortion issue has a lot of women that back it.

[-] -1 points by DKAtoday (26307) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Not a problem push that issue not the party that is removing women's rights.

[-] 1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 2 years ago

Some women put the rights of the unborn child's life above the rights to abort the unborn child. It's a very complicated issue.

You can't blame them for backing the Republicans. I'm sure you don't condone bombs killing innocent people, but you will vote for Obama, right?

The game is set up to draw everyone into one side or the other, on every single issue. Its a scam. Most of the nation is still falling for it.

[-] 2 points by VQkag (930) 2 years ago

For repubs abortion has always been a religeous issue. It's old and tired, they like to bring it up during elections especially, just like anti gay issues.

they seem to hate women and gays, and mexicans, Maybe you can't blame people for voting for them but I can. You pretend to hate both parties but that sounded like a defense of bad repub ideology.

[-] 0 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 2 years ago

Their anti-gay stance is totally unacceptable. Their views on immigration have some merit. Only libertarians want 100% open borders.

The abortion stuff is pretty important to them. And I can see why. Giving the woman the right to choose is one thing, but there is no denying that ending the life of a baby who is 4 months old is a pretty gruesome thing. Especially how they do it. Seeing a picture of a 4 month old baby and then ending that is a pretty rough thing to deal with.

[-] 2 points by VQkag (930) 2 years ago

It is truly a traumatic thing for a woman to go through but in the name of freedom I can't decide for them. I can't see letting government decide for them. Certainly not some religion. Which religion? what else should we leave up to religion? This is so last millenium. The repubs are stuck back there, on this the dems are for womens rights.

[-] 0 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 2 years ago

It all comes down to, do you give any rights to the unborn child? Because certainly once the kid is born, the woman now has dramatically less rights.

I think the gov should stay out of things like this, but both parties seem to want to find any reason possible to stick their greedy noses in everyone's business.

[-] 2 points by VQkag (930) 2 years ago

Rights for the living! fetus' get nothing sorry.

[-] -1 points by 1sealyon (434) 2 years ago

Nothing?

Not completely accurate.

Both State and Federal laws make the killing of the fetus by the living a crime:

http://www.nrlc.org/Unborn_Victims/Statehomicidelaws092302.html

[-] 1 points by VQkag (930) 2 years ago

Keep your rosaries off our ovaries. It's a womens right to choose. stop killing abortion drs. Support ows, Vote out right wing religious wackos who want to impose their religious views on everyone. Stay out of our bedroom. Seperation of church and state! Support ows

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (26307) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

I do not support political party's. I support the people addressing issue's and making those in office support the people.

[-] 0 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 2 years ago

Would you support removing parties from politics, along with the money?

[-] -2 points by DKAtoday (26307) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

I myself see no gain in having a party other than to confront each other. I do believe we are stuck with them for a time - until we can get the public to take their rightful possession of the democratic process and participate fully. In moving towards that aim - removing money from politics is a priority along with removing false status from corporations - they are not people they are creations and possessions no more then that.

[-] 0 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 2 years ago

Just imagine if we gave the states to right to choose. The hick states could just go pro life, and the liberal states could go pro choice. It would be the end of this mess, this stupid legislation that makes no sense, is completely insane, and takes away from much bigger issues.

[-] 0 points by GirlFriday (17435) 2 years ago

No. Does it look like the states are doing good deeds here? No.

[-] 0 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 2 years ago

Right. They arent. And all these silly measures on birth duration. Like its ok to have an abortion if the child is 4 months old, but one more month down the road and its a crime?

I just think that if we gave them the power to make the rules, then they wouldnt have to do this idiotic moronic legislation.

Let the states vote on it.

[-] -3 points by GirlFriday (17435) 2 years ago

NINTH AMENDMENT

AMENDMENT IX

The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

TENTH AMENDMENT

AMENDMENT X

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.

Fuck the states, what happened to the people?

[-] 1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 2 years ago

Let em vote. Some states will say yay, some will say nah.

The abortion thing all comes down to who has more rights? The woman or the child. I can see both sides of it, and the country is pretty divided on it.

I personally dont think the gov should try to regulate something it has no ability to, like abortion. There is no way to monitor all the people to make sure they arent having abortions. But I do wonder sometimes what the man upstairs thinks about it.

[-] 0 points by GirlFriday (17435) 2 years ago

I'm sorry. Your not having a vagina does not somehow make it ok for you to hand over my rights.

I would like to point out that placing the bible in front of the vagina has never stopped sex or pregnancies from occurring.

[-] 0 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 2 years ago

You are right about that, on both points.

I'm just trying to think of a solution to allow for an equal say for both sides of the arguement. Its a tough one.

[-] -3 points by GirlFriday (17435) 2 years ago

It isn't that tough. I have this right and you may not take it away. You especially cannot touch it if you are going to use a religion (that can historically be blown out of the water in a few minutes) to decide.

[-] 0 points by GirlFriday (17435) 2 years ago

There are women who somewhere down the line recognized the white male Christian power structure that has existed for hundreds of years and have figured out that this is a key element to their survival.

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[-] -1 points by DKAtoday (26307) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

What an unfortunate way to think or survive.

[-] 0 points by GirlFriday (17435) 2 years ago

I think it is so ingrained that I doubt that they would recognize it. Much less be able to rise to the occasion. Mimicking femininity.

I am always left with the feeling that women that are defending it are really saying: Don't rock the boat, baby.

[-] -1 points by DKAtoday (26307) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

I think in these situations it is more like an abused Woman saying - please don't piss-off my man as he is not gonna take it out on you but will on me.

[-] -1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 2 years ago

LOL. Maybe. It's very bizarre.

[-] -1 points by DKAtoday (26307) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Many abused women will try to placate their man in the hopes of having a peaceful moment or two.

[-] -1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 2 years ago

Sure, cycle of violence. It's consistent walking on glass.

[-] -2 points by DKAtoday (26307) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

In the south this kind of rearing of their women is most prevalent to this very day. Kind of ties into other archaic practices prevalent in the south.

Example: Slavery by another name.

[-] -1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 2 years ago

Well, in the south you know who your enemies are. In the north, sometimes you can't see it coming. Sometimes your just dealing with a large group of smiling piranha.

[-] -1 points by DKAtoday (26307) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Also true. Territorial hazards. I think their is something in tourist guide books of regional interests.

[-] 0 points by veron (-39) 2 years ago

Why are you trying to drag Occupy into false partisan debates over social issues regurgitated by the corporate fascist elite that control both parties to keep the Sheeple divided and distracted while they take away what remains of our human rights, national treasure and natural resources?

[-] 0 points by engineer4 (352) 2 years ago

GF. Someday, there needs to be a comprehensive review of abortion and it's associated parts. Both sides are dancing around the subject but never allow any actually discussion of it. I would like to see a neutral panel discuss the following: 1) when does life begin? 2) when does the life become a person? 3) When does the person have rights? If some of these things become defined better and accepted by all as a base point,, then maybe the rest could fall into place. Medical advances will keep improving and at some point the ability of a baby to survive prematurely will be well back into the second trimester. If we do not sort this out ahead of time, it will only be worse when we get there. I do not expect any politican would have the backbone to lead this type of discussion. This is a world issue that needs to be addressed.

[-] 0 points by GirlFriday (17435) 2 years ago

It has been sorted out. Only those that don't like the answers pretend that it hasn't.

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[-] -2 points by DKAtoday (26307) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

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According to recent polling, 91% of Americans believe the Constitution should guarantee equal rights for women. It's time—long past time—to pass the ERA.

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[-] -2 points by DKAtoday (26307) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Daily Kos: Federal Appeals Court stops Texas from banning Planned Parenthood from state health program.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/05/04/1088838/-Federal-Appeals-Court-stops-Texas-from-banning-Planned-Parenthood-from-state-health-program