Forum Post: The GOP doesn't want you, or your vote
Posted 12 years ago on Dec. 10, 2011, 11:59 a.m. EST by brightonsage
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if:
- your skin is brown or black or beige
- you are older than 55
- you are younger than 25
- you believe in science
- you don't want to get pregnant, or get somebody pregnant,
- you want protect yourself from STD's with something that might also provide birth control
- you would want to be able to avoid carrying a fetus to term resulting from rape, or which might cause your death
- you believe that people should be able to join an organization that would represent your interests
you want the government to inspect and assure the safety of a. air travel b. food c. medicine d. medical devices e. water f. air g. pesticides and herbicides h. mining i. drilling for oil, gas j. pipelines transporting liquids or gas k. railroad systems l. mass transit m. education, n. credit cards, mortgages, consumer purchase contracts o. financial institutions: banks, investment banks, hedge funds, dark pools, derivatives, stock exchanges, corporate stocks, bonds, currency exchanges p. safety equipment q. communication systems r. chemicals s. toys t. many others.
you believe that corporations and businesses aren't people
- you are not an Evangelical Christian
- you believe that companies who injure or kill people should be held accountable in court by a jury of citizens 13.you are a teacher, cop, fireman, or a city, state or federal employee
- you are a veteran
- you are a student
- you have an income or net worth less than $1 million
unless you can ignore all of the above and blindly vote for a candidate and a party that doesn't like or want you, in which case, “Welcome to the GOP, patriot.”
Hilarious. of course the GOP wants all those votes, only they want to get them through deceptively clever half-truths and tales of mythical economic unicorns.
this is such nonsense....so I, as a Republican, want dirty water; dirty air; I want bad medicine...et al...this is the usual diatribe that comes from people on the left. I am 50, net worth less than 1 million, am not a Christian, am pro-choice (with restrictions); and work for personal injury attorneys on the plaintiff's side..the government has a role in society, the problem is the government at the federal level is out of control.
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unless you can ignore all of the above and blindly vote for a candidate and a party that doesn't like or want you, in which case, “Welcome to the GOP, patriot.”
I was just listening to what they say and watching what they do, If you can get past the voter suppression, "no regulation" policies for the oligopoly, and the hatred of "them", you can vote for them, but they still don't like you and they will never trust you.
Listening to the debates, it does sound like that though...what the original post says...In trying to appeal to a certain group the Republican candidates are 'shooting themselves in the foot'.
Ending child labor laws is one that comes to mind, we all know how easy it would be to abuse the allowing of children to work. Ending the EPA is another, some of us remember when a lake caught on fire and burned for weeks because of the extent of the pollution, or when Lake Erie and Lake Michigan were effectively 'dead lakes' for the same reason. Aquatic life couldn't survive in them until they were cleaned up.
Most of us like having things like the highways that cross state lines subject to the same regulations in every state, some of us like having mass transit, even depend on it for our daily transportation needs. Most of us like clean air, and to be able to see clearly more than a few hundred feet. There's a lot of talk about a carbon footprint yet it isn't the carbon that is the issue, it's the particles that are produced and dispersed with that carbon that is. We don't want to know there is air because we can see it.
I keep hearing that the government at the federal level is out of control, and I hear lots about state level responsibility and states rights...yet I never hear mentioned that these states are also running deficits, and are receiving Federal funds to maintain the status quo or even less than status quo. So saying government at the federal level is the source of all ills is a misstatement. Counties and cities are also running deficits the larger population based ones at least are.
When the foundation is crumbling you don't fix the roof even if the roof is leaking, the reason it's leaking is because the foundation is crumbling.
Start local with repairs to government and government spending.
I agree with you that State budgets are out of control as well, a lot of that has to do with Federal policies, especially with mandates in education, environment and health care (Medicaid) with no money to help pay for them. I believe that block granting money to states (with lessening the amount of personnel in Washington) which eats up so much of the money allocated for programs. Do you believe it is fair that a receipient of welfare only receives 28 cents of every dollar allocated while the 'overhead' in Washington eats up the other 72? When I refer to out of control spending, it has far more to do with the overhead costs of these programs as opposed to the needs of providing a safety net for people. I, like all the republicans I know, don't want the safety net for people destroyed, I just want the money allocated for programs to be utilized in a way that actually helps the receipient and not a bureaucrat, but to say that we want dirty water because we want to rein in some of the EPA's overreaching mandates which is costing this country economic freedom is ridiculous.
The states are allocated block grants for various things, some of those grants are reallocated at the county and city level. Washington doesn't 'eat' 72% of every dollar that is set aside for the social safety net, states and counties also take their share. I have filled out paperwork for those block grants in years past.
EPA's over reaching mandates? The EPA can only go by the guidelines set out for it. They also DO the research by giving funds to universities to do water and air quality studies, which is a win win by the way. Students get active field experience and we get the results. Not to mention the Natural Resource Dept.s in some state gain a few dollars of additional funding via the EPA.
What you as an individual would like to see, doesn't mean that the politicians are intending what you believe...I've seen too many statements get turned around once the elections are over to have any faith in government doing what is right vs government doing what is good for government and for business.
Nor do I believe a budget can be balanced by simply making cuts, even in my household when costs over run budget we find ways to increase that budget, somethings can not be cut and some things shouldn't be cut.
As I said, start with local affairs with cutting costs and increasing revenues and work up. Starting at the top is like cutting the allocation for the fuel bill when it's -10 outside.
The GOP and the DEMS don't care about any of those things. All they care about is how to stay in power, and they will lie, cajole, steal, take bribes, redistrict, slander, buy votes, deny votes and do whatever they and their corporate masters can think of to keep it.
What need do the Republicans have of a good candidate? The current President is, to all intents and purposes, A REPUBLICAN. Someone on this forum mentioned that he is actually to the right of Richard Nixon.
Obama ran as a second Martin Luther King but is governing like a third George Bush.
what good are you doing by alienating your neighbors?
Some of them do care about some of those things, they just care about power, and the money that it takes to get it, more. Much more.
A drug addict cares about family, but they will steal form them to get the next hit.
We have to cure the addiction by cutting them off from their pushers, all of them.
melbel6 doesn't really "as a Republican, want dirty water; dirty air; I want bad medicine...et al." but is willing to turn a blind eye to the reality of the consequences of the policies that come in the package. I don't know the drug of choice that melbel6 needs enough to accept the baggage that comes with it. But there must be one.
The weakness of regulation has had disastrous consequences in those areas I listed. If you haven't been directly affected, there are news sources besides Faux that report them.
I admit that regulations get turned into red tape when legislators sell out to special interests. But, that doesn't invalidate the use of regulations.
It is the corruption that must go.
.this is very true the GOP only wants the 1% votes because the government has personal agenda. The government now needs someone with the right mind and doesn’t give a shit if they step over people to do the right thing for the people and has no fear
I have seen a few politicians with courage. Under the current system they quickly became ex-politicians.
Absolutely right. The weird part is some vote republican when they are getting screwed by them constantly. I know some that vote solely on the abortion issue. It's all they care about. The repugs captialize on that promise they'll do smething which they never do. Lip service, just like healthcare, oh they'll fix it just not in this lifetime. If you get wiped out due to a serious illness, it's your fault, screw you, we're not helping, get a job!
The Repugnant Party.
You have it right. It is amazing. The folks voting GOP are the strongest argument against the libertarian idea of everyone acting in their self interest, because you have from 20% to 50% consitently voting against their self interests.
They don't want you, but they would very much like your vote.
Well, sure. How can the 1% win elections? They don't have the votes themselves, so the only answer is to use their money. The only ways you can get someone to vote against their self interest is to buy them off, fool them, or intimidate them (make them fear the good guys). Crooks, dummies, and the fearful. Have you seen any of those?
Well, yeah. It never ceases to amaze me.
and yet, Barack Obama is not helping the home foreclosure people, by choice.
http://wallstreetchange.blogspot.com/2011/12/barack-obama-his-administration-and.html
Right and neither is the GOP. Occupy's point made.
I recall Hillary Clinton taking the home foreclosure issue very seriously during the 2008 campaign. She had a plan. Hillary Clinton would have done something, I think that is why Soros wanted Obama instead, Obama just pretended to have a plan.
I don't know that Soros had money at stake in this. He advised getting out before the crash and I assumed he did. Hilary did say some good things. Getting Summers and Gaithner together was a big mistake.
Soros appears to be a big time support of Huffington Post, and also I think he was involved in the start up of Move on Dot org. Both organizations basically stabbed H.C. in the front and back early on in the 2008 campaign.
Wow! You swallowed the propaganda hook line and sinker!
And you were the bait.