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Forum Post: The End is Near - IRAN Declares 'Fuck You' to EUROPE/USA Hegemony

Posted 2 years ago on Feb. 25, 2012, 6:30 p.m. EST by owsleader2013 (-1)
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What has been rumored last week has finally happened. Iran has become the aggressor in the oil embargo sanctions structured by the US, UK and Europe. The coming ban was to begin July 1, 2012.

Iran has halted sales of crude oil to French and British buyers. Iran will sell its crude to new customers. This action will tend to put upward pressure on oil prices. That means higher gas and diesel prices that the world consumer gets to pay for as a result of foolish US foreign policy. This is the result of Iran selling oil in currencies other than the dollar, which undermines the value and predominance of the US petrodollar. In addition, Iran has threatened to halt shipments to Greece, Italy, Spain, Portugal and the Netherlands. The EU constitutes 18% of Iran’s exports of crude oil. In the event European deliveries are shut down by Iran the EU countries have a 4-month supply as a backup. China currently purchases 22% of Iran’s oil exports. We believe the US has shot itself in the foot using these so-called sanctions, which as you can see have already been neutralized.


Once the Oil Country's finally see a country NOT accept US dollars for oil, then everything will fold. Once the USA has cannot buy oil in dollars, they'll have to sell USA assets ( think Yosemite, ... or any public land ), to raise up the gold required to purchase oil.

The USA has been printing 'free-paper-money' since the 1970's, and now its game-over.

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[-] 2 points by badconduct (550) from Ottawa, ON 2 years ago

Iran is pushing the US because of their weakness right now. They want to drag them into a long war to end US global dominance sooner rather than later.

China is becoming very oil dependent and they are not willing to stir problems with their major suppliers. They will reject USD if they need too in order to continue their growth rate.

I agree with the author; it's a very real threat to stability in the west. It's a fight that, even if we can win, will cripple the economy and cause sky rocketing oil prices in the region. We will also have no support from the new "democratic" middle eastern countries that have removed western backed dictatorships.

[-] -1 points by owsleader2016 (12) 2 years ago

Thanks, ... proof that their is Intelligent Life on this forum.

BUTT, and here's the BIG-BUTT is that CHINA is only playing along cuz it has those $2 Trillion dollars in T-BILLS, and it announced only 2 months ago it would use them to buy Boeing, Apple stock the only 2 good companys the USA has left, and it would use the rest to buy oil,

Holding US Dollars today is a fools game, ...

CHINA must go slow on liquidating those dollars, they're NOT stupid. But rather than happening in 15 years that was planned, its now going to happen in 15 months.

The whole fucking world run's on OIL, its called 'portable energy' the most important thing in WORLD MILITARY history, and the USA is sitting on the largest deposit of COAL on earth in the NE region of the USA.

In the long term the USA is a failed nation, but in the longer term it will become a 3rd world coal mine.

[-] 1 points by EndTheFED (65) 2 years ago

You really think USA is going to become third world? C'mon I know the dollar is useless but so is ever other dollar. Close your eyes and think of what is really important. 1. Clean air (without it you will only last minutes before death) 2. Water (days before death) 3. Food (few days before death) 4. Energy (major inconvenience) 5. Weapons (may be invaded, and taking over by foreign power)

USA has strong 4 of 5 and arguably 5 of 5. you can't breath, drink, or eat oil..... Does China? Iran? 3rd world countries?

"happening in 15 years that was planned, its now going to happen in 15 months." <------ how would you know this?

[-] -1 points by owsleader2016 (12) 2 years ago

Dude, when I first went into the special forces back in the 1960's the first thing they taught us, ... was that the USA was a third wold country with nukes.

Go read the CIA factbook and see that the USA in terms of education, literacy, medical care, and general happiness is that of a third world country.

The USA has always been an agrarian prison colony. Then it was an industrial prison colony. Today it is a failed nation that is technically bankrupt. No civilization on earth has ever recovered once their debt exceeds the ability to pay that debt. Nobody is going to loan the USA money anymore, and nobody is going to accept that paper-money the USA likes to print for free.

Special Forces are the elite forces to protect America's rich, and the first thing they taught us when I was a kid was to set us straight about America Mythology and Exceptional-ism.

"The USA is third world country with Nukes."

[-] 1 points by badconduct (550) from Ottawa, ON 2 years ago

China is a communist country, they only play capitalism because we play capitalism. They don't have liquidation, or debt, or a real currency. They basically tell us what they want.

China buying Shares in US companies means they are controlling them, and using the US economy as an excuse to get access and make copies of their patents (how to build Apple phones and Boeing Jet fighters) , they are NOT investing in them. They are taking control of them.

China does not play capitalism. It's a face.

Even with all the coal and other forms of energy besides oil, cheap oil is the key to extracting it. We have already dug up all the cheap coal. It's expensive to mine now, because it's deep under ground and requires massive amounts of energy to remove.

Step away from fossil fuels all together. From 2008 and going onward, they now come with grave consequences; environmentally, economically, and (more important now than ever) SOCIALLY.

If the U.S. can't afford to fuel the war ships that surround mainland China; the Chinese can do whatever they want in the area. Like make a grab for Indonesian oil supply (even though they have already peaked).

[-] 1 points by kjack (48) 2 years ago

No real currency? Interesting idea. China doesn't play capitalism? Yes and no. China is the model of crony capitalism. China uses very intelligent hackers to steal American patents and intellectual property, not investing. When GM was looking for someone, anyne to buy Saab which it was cancelling, a Chinese firm stepped up but GM blocked it so they wouldn't gain access to the competitive manufacturing technology/processes.

Coal isn't significantly more expensive to extract then in the past, however oil is. So long as we're talking about coal, it an injustice to the argument not to mention the drastic expansion of domestic natural gas that has been made available through fracking. Also the US will have no problem 'fueling its warships' because of its strategic reserves and the carriers and subs are nuclear powered.

Now I sound hawkish, anti-environmental and anti-China which I'm not but there were flaws in your argument that had to be addressed.

[-] 1 points by badconduct (550) from Ottawa, ON 2 years ago

Fracking is none-profitable and the reserves are greatly exaggerated. I wouldn't put too much money in that market. The cost (in terms of energy) of extracting through fracking is more than what we get in return.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/brendan-demelle/shale-gas-bubble-insiders_b_1199138.html

Cheap energy is done. If you look at the recovery, it brings the oil price with it, than a bubble pops when supply can't be put out fast enough.

You can believe conspiracy A or conspiracy B.

Conspiracy A. is that world Governments are lying about their oil supplies in order to keep people buying. This is on record from Wikileaks.

Conspiracy B. is that the US Government is covering up massive amounts of energy reserves locally. There is no real evidence for this, but it is what everyone wants to believe.

Peak oil theory is correct.

[-] -1 points by owsleader2013 (-1) 2 years ago

The USA is sitting on the largest coal deposit on earth. The plan is to use up all the worlds liquid oil and natural gas, then the USA will be sole supplier of energy post 2100.

This is the plan.

[-] 1 points by JoeTheFarmer (2654) 2 years ago

The fall of communism in China began when Hong Kong went back into their control. Hong Kong is the most capitalist city on the planet. It is 100 times easier to start a business in Hong Kong than in New York City.

Private ownership of business spread throughout the land like a virus. Sure there are still some industries owned by the state (in common) however the business that we but from are privately owned.

[-] -1 points by owsleader2016 (12) 2 years ago

Hong Kong 'fell' in 1998, by that you mean the colony reverted from British back to China because the 100 year lease expired.

China was wild west capitalism when they opened up in 1986. I moved to Beijing in 1986 I was there, and we had Irish Pubs and Blues Bars running 24/7 back in the day. Today its all on steroids.

I go to Hong-Kong frequently but don't like it as its too expensive, ... and crowded for what.

There you go talking about HK for what? I was talking about MAINLAND FUCKING CHINA.

HK is a british fucking colony, and the language they speak is not even fucking chinese, FUCK HK.

Back in 1980's the Chinese Government broke the Iron Rice Bowl ( welfare ) and told everybody it was OK to be rich.

Study your fucking history, read marc-faber or jim-rogers and learn that pre 1940's communism the chinese for 4,000 years were the most entrepreneurial people on earth, post 1980's they returned so,

HK didn't have a fucking thing to do with anything.

HK is the banking switzerland of asia, like singapore. It's where everybody keeps their money for safety.

Your a fucking disillusioned liar.

[-] 2 points by badconduct (550) from Ottawa, ON 2 years ago

China is still a communist dictatorship. The currency has no peg. It is pegged to the currency of their competitors and used as a weapon against them. They let the rich be rich, and hang them when they choose to do so. They also run a massive, modern military and have massive amounts of poverty in the country side. The nation was built on the backs of communists.

[-] 0 points by owsleader2016 (12) 2 years ago

They let the rich be rich, and hang them when they choose to do so. They also run a massive, modern military and have massive amounts of poverty in the country side.


You just defined america, ... except that in the USA the poor go to prison.

The only person I have ever seen hanged or heard of being hanged was a cop one day that raped a woman, ... but they actually took him out and shot him, ... not even a trial,. Frontier Justice folk, ... wild-west capitalism,

The thing is you folks are so full of shit, why not come to CHINA spend some time, learn the language and see what life is all about, rather than spewing dumb fucking shit that just proves your don't have a clue about the real world.

[-] 0 points by JoeTheFarmer (2654) 2 years ago

Most companies in China are privately held. In a communist system the means of production of goods and services are owned in common by the state. There is no private property.

There are some state-controlled entities in China these days however they are not particularly profitable.

I would say Cuba is communist however beginning in November last year (2011) they began to allow private ownership of property.

[-] 0 points by owsleader2016 (12) 2 years ago

Most companies in China are privately held. [ true, so why call it commie? ]

Do you have any idea how fucking stupid you are??

[-] 1 points by JoeTheFarmer (2654) 2 years ago

Most companies in China are privately held. [ true, so why call it commie? ]

"Do you have any idea how fucking stupid you are??" ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

There is no reason to get hostile. I was basing that on the definition of communism.

In COMMUNism the means of production of goods and services as well goods and services themselves are owned in COMMON. Food, housing, property, services all owned and owned and controlled by the state. There is not private property and certainly no private businesses. Eventually the state is supposed to fade away but everything is owned in common.

China is a capitalist dictatorship with a sprinkling of socialism since some things are still controlled in common.

As I said, Cuba is closer to communist but even that is changing since they started to allow private businesses and real estate in 2011 after 40 years of communism.

[-] 0 points by owsleader2016 (12) 2 years ago

The USA military has its own strategic energy site, ... I highly suggest you read it.

The USA is sitting on the largest coal deposit on earth and its high quality easy strip mining coal. Only for environmental/political reason it is NOT mined.

The future maybe 50 years the USA will once again be a slave colony and the convicts will work these mines. Hitler had the technology in WW2 to turn coal into liquid energy, and the USA corporations and USA military already have 100 year plans mapped out. Go read and learn the truth about strategy.

I concur I hate fossil fuels, but I just call what I see, I have no power to change the course of the ship. I only call what I see.

The CHINESE at NO time in history 'invaded' anybody, on the other hand the USA has invaded everybody.

[-] 1 points by badconduct (550) from Ottawa, ON 2 years ago

This isn't dynasty China, this is Communist China.

Japan never invaded any country before the 20th century. But when they did, it was a bloody mess.

Yes, I know about "Hitler Fuel", but remember my last point. The social consequences of strip mining the environment and fuelling a war machine will cost the US greatly. As well, it takes energy to convert coal and too strip mine, which must either come from cheap oil, or already converted energy.

If the tax payers aren't willing to support their endeavours, there will be social backlash. The CO2 emissions are significantly higher, and believe in global warming or not, it was +5 yesterday, and -10 today. The radio is trying to play it off like temperature swings are normal this morning. -7 is normal.

[-] -1 points by owsleader2016 (12) 2 years ago

The USA is heading into a long civil war. The USA is a failed prison colony going back to 1776.

The failure to integrate slaves post civil war 1 is the textbook reason for failure today.

Post civil-war 2 the USA will become a slave colony and the slaves will mine the coal, the largest deposit of coal on earth lays in the USA NorthEast.

Post civil war 2 nobody will talk about the environment and the USA will become one big toxic strip mine and dump, and world will send their garbage to the USA.

[-] 1 points by badconduct (550) from Ottawa, ON 2 years ago

I hope you are wrong.

I am not saying you are wrong, I am just saying that I hope you are. Canada is in no better of a position. A strip mine for precious metals and a safe haven for US abandonment.

[-] 1 points by toukarin (488) 2 years ago

Game over indeed, but that is if Iran is able to get away with it. War rhetoric is being drummed up on a never before seen scale.

8/10 people in my workplace believe that Iran either already has nukes or will drop one on someone the moment they get one. An utterly ridiculous notion given that US generals have testified before the Senate that Iran has not even decided to develop weapons, and have not even taken many of the steps it could and should to develop nuclear weapons.

People also believe that Iran having nukes will help terrorists... how exactly? Not sure... no one has an answer to that... because it wont... what good does it do to Al Quaeda and their ilk if Iran has a nuclear weapon? On the contrary it is very bad for them. A stable power in the middle east with a contented population is not an ideal recruitment ground. None of the 9/11 or any other terrorists captured/killed in recent times have been shown to have links to Iran.

People also say that Ahemadinejad is a loon who would attack Israel the moment he gets his hands on a nuke. He does not need a nuke to do it. his conventional assets are more than capable enough of targeting HVT's in Israel including their weapons storage facilities and nuclear reactors... so why has he not done it already? Even a loon realizes that there is no way to win such a war. The strongest instinct in humans is that of self preservation. Even crazy people don't commit suicide. Its depressed/emo people who do that... and he does not strike me as one of those...

It is not Irans nuclear capability (or lack thereof) which is the "problem." It is the defiance of the west. Their refusal to accept the USD and their possession of sophisticated CONVENTIONAL missiles which (ironically) now allow them to target Israels own stocks of banned chemical biological and nuclear weapons.

What has Ahemedinajad done during all of this?

Asked for US apology for violation of sovereign Iranian airspace. Promised to hunt down those responsible for the assassinations of Iranian scientists. Promised retaliation for any attacks on Iranian interests including (but not limited to) a blockade of the Hormuz. Found an effective solution to the oil embargo by the west. Alleged to have orchestrated a couple of bombings.

All I can see is him saying. "Stop fucking with us and leave us the hell alone. We do not want to start something, but do not expect us to roll over and die. We will go down swinging."

[-] 1 points by Rennaye (34) 2 years ago

I appreciate your posts owsleader2013. As crude as the language is in your posts, I've come to realize that even those who have supposedly "woken up", are still not able to accept the full depth of the insane and cruel practices and activities of the governments and ruling elites of our globe...and the US is right up there with the rest of them.

I believe at this point, your "crudeness" is what is necessary to slap people upside the head, to make them "snap out of it", as regular posts only go so far, and haven't jolted enough people as to how severe this situation is. So, while some may not appreciate your language, I do. Keep throwing that bucket of cold water on people's heads.

[-] 1 points by salinsky (27) 2 years ago

Do you realize that 99% of the people in this forum are incapable of understanding this message? Do you understand that your wasting your time?

Nobody can wake these people up. They're waiting for more money to come in the mail, a bigger check. Today 56% of the US public gets a monthly check, if OWS has its way 99% will get a check.

In another time some would call the OWS theology Stalinism, ... but today OWS controls the debate, and tomorrow OWS will control the debate.

Most interesting is "when will the real leader of OWS quit hiding ?"

[-] 0 points by owsleader2013 (-1) 2 years ago

THE BLOOD IS ON YOUR HANDS

Do you realize I have been deleted and banned here over 100 times, its odd that the drivel here lives on and is supported by OWS.

But anybody that tells the truth here is deleted, shadow-banned, ...

Yes, ... crudeness works.

But the sad fact is that 100% of the US public is responsible for the murdering abroad, YOU voted for OREO-OBAMA & BUSH, ..

THE BLOOD IS ON YOUR HANDS


The only reason I keep talking about money, it the principal goal of OWS 6 months ago was to re-distribute wealth, I'm trying to educate the idiots that the money isn't there, the nation is bankrupt.

[-] 1 points by salinsky (27) 2 years ago

Too bad the people who run this forum hate owsleader, but they do, which say's more about them than about what he say's.

OWS can't handle the truth about anything.

Which is highly indicative that it is a tool of the DNC, as they're the king of liars.

Most interesting is only the dim-witted and foolish are not deleted or banned in this forum.

But then what do you expect of a club that wants 99% of the masses to join, by definition it has to mainstream the debate to the lowest common denominator.

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[-] 1 points by Coldinflorida (50) 2 years ago

Im not sure why Iran is doing what is doing, religous , political, and control... united states it seems to be about oil.

[-] -1 points by owsleader2013 (-1) 2 years ago

It's NOT about OIL, its about IMPERIAL HEGEMONY.

It's about the US dollar, if the IRAN were HAITI it wouldn't even be news, but Haiti has NO oil, the USA is willing to pay for the IRAN oil with US dollars, but IRAN don't want phony paper money, they want gold for their oil, and this is where the problem starts, the USA has no gold.

So if the USA wants something you have a choice you accept their dollars, or they bomb your country into the stone age and kill all your children with dysentary by bombing the sewage/water treatment plants.

Not much of a choice, but IRAN is standing tall to the USA bully and the entire world is watching. If Iran pull's this off the USA is toast.

Fear bully at the end of is game, he's quite likely to become suicidal. MAD ... Mutually Assured Destruction is still an option held dear by the Christian Right that controls the USA.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 2 years ago

what the world can't even agree on what currency is

but we still gotta pay debts on debts

[-] 0 points by owsleader2016 (12) 2 years ago

The world agree's what is wealth.

1.) OIL

2.) Drugs - Cocaine, Pot, ... Opium

3.) Human Blood

4.) Human Organs

5.) Gold, Silver, ... precious medals

6.) Food

7.) Land, if in the right place where people want to live.

The 1-7 above have value. Paper money has no value intrinsically.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 2 years ago

I understand people send a lot on entertainment

[-] 0 points by owsleader2016 (12) 2 years ago

Michael Jackson' corpse is worth less than a nickel.

At no time in history have country's been invaded to steal their 'entertainers'.

On the other hand 1->7 above have always led to war, because the good shit is in limited supply.

Paper-Money has always been bullshit and the only reason the USA pulled the ponzi off for 50+ years is they had the NUKE-GUN to the worlds head.

[-] 0 points by BlackSun (275) from Agua León, BC 2 years ago

To that I would add pussy. And yes I'm serious.

[-] -1 points by owsleader2016 (12) 2 years ago

Well DUDE I can tell you that PUSSY is the cheapest commodity on earth, that's why I not list.

Did you know that a CONDOM in Africa or India costs more than pussy? I kid you not.

In most of the world a family will happily sell their daughter for life slavery as you wish for less than $100. The world is in NO shortage of vaginas or penis.

The only value that Humans have is their Organs and/or their Blood.

Just stating the facts. Perhaps in the USA 'pussy' has value and can be expensive, but in most of the world it can be had for penny's.

[-] -1 points by owsleader2013 (-1) 2 years ago

Iran, Iraq, Venezuela, Libya, ... know exactly what they have, ... they got OIL, ... black-gold. You can trade it for gold, pussy, food, and booze. The stuff men like all over the world.

The USA ain't got shit, fake paper play money printed by the Federal Reserve. It's game-over for the USA Kleptocracy ( government ran by common criminals ).

[-] 1 points by richardkentgates (3269) 2 years ago

That would actually be good because the replacement for the dollar will become the yuan or something BRICS has been working on would replace the dollar, either direction forcing the yuan to valuate and negate yet more outsourcing advantage, bring yet still closer the end of outsourcing as an issue. Our usage of petrol is coming to serious a slowdown at the same time. That will balance the price of gas just below $5 a gallon that should be nationwide by this summer. That will be the pinnacle for gas in this country and it will steadily decline form there. This is the point of the new energy policy from Obama. The alternatives market is already cranking up with algae production of crude, microbes that emit electricity, and new solar tech that doesn't require silicon.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505123_162-57384014/us-recovery-fueled-by-record-low-natural-gas-prices/

There will also be no war because that was the plan and Obama canned it.

http://articles.cnn.com/2011-10-11/justice/justice_iran-saudi-plot_1_informant-iranian-plot-saudi-arabia?_s=PM:JUSTICE

That would have been the trigger for war. It came and went without even a whimper.

[-] 1 points by arturo (3169) from Shanghai, Shanghai 2 years ago

There is one option here most people haven't mentioned, which is WW3. I know, nobody will do it because of "mutually assured destruction". Well, from what I hear, the global oligarchs want mutually assured destruction, of most of their population, that is.

The oligarchs themselves want to hide in their bunkers until its all over, and reclaim what's left of the world. Just google WW3 and China, Russia or Iran to know more. Top military officers of the US, Russia and China have been warning against this already.

[-] 1 points by FreedomReigns (72) 2 years ago

What's the answer arturo? You're clearly in the know....what do you think might work?

[-] 1 points by arturo (3169) from Shanghai, Shanghai 2 years ago

Thanks for you confidence, the outlook appears bleak though not necessarily hopeless.

From what I hear, there are a few US generals and intelligence officers, as well as Russian and Chinese officers, that are currently preventing this war from breaking out.

We won't be in the clear though as long as Obama remains president, as he is the tool of the financial oligarchy that is trying to bring this war about. His impeachment would be the surest approach to letting us sleep easy once again.

However, it seems too many people here can't comprehend the enormity of this evil, or just don't want to face it. We would have to put enormous pressure on our senators to impeach Obama.

As it is, they are probably too terrified to do anything about it. I've heard that once Obama wants to carry this war out, he'll probably even use drone attacks on US territory to assassinate those officers who are preventing the war.

[-] 1 points by FreedomReigns (72) 2 years ago

Well, that's lookin' a little bleak. But I'm certain its probably the real scenario, as I've read the same sorts of things. I'm thinking the only chance we have of stopping WWIII is getting this info to the masses, and quick. The only way of getting this info out to the masses in any real way is some form of infiltration of the mass media. Unless those generals and intelligence officers want to become a statistic, they had better come up with a way to take over a television station and loop a message that runs 24/7 for a couple of weeks with all of the criminal atrocities and the agenda of the oligarchs. Otherwise we have no other way of letting anyone know. When the masses find out, the people will be furious, and the oligarchs will have nowhere on this planet they can hide. Those generals and intelligence officers will have more chance of success with our help.

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[-] -1 points by owsleader2016 (12) 2 years ago

Thanks for taking this OP back to its original assertion.

For all the talk about the rich on this forum, what folks don't understand is that the 'rich' bought Italian Chateaus back in the 1980's, Bill Gates has his own Island south of Kaui, HI.

The plan is that USA which has always been a colony revert to such, given its vast coal reserves the USA has no other place in the future than that of an open-pit coal mine. This is why NOT a dollar is being spent on USA infrastructure.

Nobody on earth that is truly rich has any intention of living in the USA in the future, its just a colony of white-trash labor, and the largest prison on earth.

[-] 1 points by arturo (3169) from Shanghai, Shanghai 2 years ago

Actually, I think there is a hope for the US. If it can return to its original way of doing things, like the way Russia and China are doing things now, and work together on joint projects with these countries, than America could actually lead a world recovery.

I think it depends on whether there is a sufficient enough jolt to wake people out of their complacency. That jolt, however, may turn out to be a nuclear explosion. Either that, or if the fear of nuclear war can become real enough, maybe it can trigger a change.

[-] 1 points by owsleader2013 (-1) 2 years ago

Fantasy my son, fantasy.

In recorded history no failed empire in history has rebounded. Nada, nobody nothing.

The USA is going down, and the only people who survive will be those that bailed before the total civil war makes it impossible.

The first thing the US government will do pre-crisis is declare a 'bank holiday' which will shutdown all ATM's and all flights and gas purchases, thus making everyone a prisoner of their location at the time.

China is on an ascendency, Russia of course is effectively a new country post 1988, but its only the USA like the UK that are on a downward death spiral with the status-quo trying to hold empire with dear life. Nada in history has such a failed empire bounced back. Nada.

Today's America is NOT unlike 1936 Nazi Germany, get out prior to 1938 or there is NO getting out, by 1938 ( 2013 ) most country's will not want 'poor' American gutter trash,

Like I have been saying the 'Rich' built there Chateau abroad back in the 1980's, the people that really matter have private planes and offshore Islands. It's only the little working people that don't have a clue of their future.

Your big 'IF' if the USA can return to what? Your forgetting that the aggregated DEBT of US government now stands at over $200 Trillion dollars, no country in the history of the earth has ever recovered from a debt to GDP ratio of such astronomic proportions. Once the worlds investors start dumping their USA assets it will NEVER come back. Never.

There is NO comparison for what the Russia was in the 1980's or what China is today, in the entire human history there has NEVER been a PONZI on the scale of the USA empire of today.

[-] 1 points by arturo (3169) from Shanghai, Shanghai 2 years ago

I'm not talking about the rebound of an empire, but the rebirth of America as a nation. But don't take my word for it, if you live in China, and like the way the Chinese do things, than read the quotes from an article from a few years back that was published in the "China Youth Daily":

http://larouchepac.com/node/11190

And if you think you are safe, living in a growing country like China, don't underestimate the fanatical insanity of our western oligarchs. They think that if they can't be on top of the world system, then they'll take the whole thing down:

http://larouchepac.com/node/21061

"The British oligarchy is committed to preventing the Eurasian region, led by China, Russia, India, and other nations of the Asia-Pacific, from emerging from the collapse of the entire trans-Atlantic financial and economic system, as the new center of gravity of world political and economic power. To prevent this from happening, London is committed to starting a thermonuclear conflict pitting the United States against Russia and China. From the standpoint of the British oligarchy, a world of vastly reduced population—under 1 billion inhabitants—is preferable to a prospering world, in which the power of the private financier oligarchy is wiped out."

[-] -1 points by owsleader2013 (-1) 2 years ago

So your a LaRouche nut-case, ... that say's it all. End of story.

I wonder how many scientologists and larouchians, there are here post drivel on OWS?

[-] 1 points by arturo (3169) from Shanghai, Shanghai 2 years ago

If you read the link, then you would know that the Chinese government is also a "Larouche nut-case" also. They write of him saying "the great American economist", and have paid substantial money to have his organization analyze their economy.

I think I will take their word over yours.

[-] -1 points by owsleader2013 (-1) 2 years ago

Actually I'm quite fond of LaRouche, ... he has been calling things straight for 40+ years, he was right about derivatives, he was the first to call it back in the 1970's.

For the 'chinese' to call LaRouche a great economist, is a great credit, but lets be honest the Chinese play with reality, and not lies. They're the one sitting on $2trillion US tbills there are essentially worthless, its the USA play a ponzi and LaRouche has been the only one in the past fifty years telling the truth.

Now LaRouches followers they're the nutcases, ... but I concur LaRouche the man is a genius and an economist of the greatest legacy for truth and talking about reality long before anyone else in the USA.

[-] 1 points by arturo (3169) from Shanghai, Shanghai 2 years ago

So why do you consider Larouche followers to be nut cases?

[-] -1 points by owsleader2013 (-1) 2 years ago

Now I know I'm talking to an OWS-BOT with certainty.

[-] 1 points by arturo (3169) from Shanghai, Shanghai 2 years ago

Well, I've had some bad experiences with some of them myself, and was just wondering if you had the same.

[-] -1 points by owsleader2013 (-1) 2 years ago

Can you feel real love for a BOT? I mean you know the kind of love that a prison guard feels after he rapes an inmate with a broomstick or sodomizes someones pet? The kind of love that a US Soldier has empathizes with the parents of a child after he crushes the infants testicle's in front of its parents?

[-] 1 points by arturo (3169) from Shanghai, Shanghai 2 years ago

That's quite a bit of nonsense.

[-] 1 points by Riley2011 (110) from New Britain, CT 2 years ago

Thank you both for the honesty and the candor in your post. It is refreshing and spot on. While we keep borrowing trillions and people keep promoting this action, we are screwed. People cannot wrap their heads around the fact that a 400 year old country can fall

[-] 1 points by flamingliberal (138) 2 years ago

Chicken little the sky is falling. Last time we went to war we just got debt. Fuck Iran let them do what they want. We have the U.N. if they don't care why should we. No more wars for nothing.

[-] -1 points by owsleader2013 (-1) 2 years ago

Not that simple. If Iran refuses to sell their OIL for US dollars then nobody on earth will accept US dollars the US government will collapse, and the cops and prison guards paychecks will bounce.

Thus we will bomb the living shit out of Iran to make a point to the entire world that they must accept US Dollars.

The only thing Iran did to piss off the US was ask for Gold for their Oil, the only thing Iraq did was ask for Euro's, and the only thing Libya did was ask for Euros, and Venezuela too is now asking for GOLD for their OIL.

The US government has NO GOLD, they only have worthless paper money.

[-] 1 points by GypsyKing (8719) 2 years ago

The end is neigh . . . really, really neigh!

Okay, Chicken Little.

[-] 1 points by badconduct (550) from Ottawa, ON 2 years ago

Maybe you should start to consider some of these threats as real. Things aren't getting any better, even if the economic numbers they publish say otherwise.

The DOW is clearly in a bubble, the high cost of oil is going to crash it again.

Being optimistic is a fine trait, but the violence in the middle east is not that far away. It did not take much to turn a handful of protests into a civil war. If the U.S. dollar losses it's position as a superpower, people are just going to start walking away from debts with no consequences. The banks will be helpless unless the dollar is backed by people who borrow and spend it.

Massive speculation can have as much a negative impact as the reality of a situation.

The problem with your 'chick little' point of view is that you see everything as being an end of times, you don't see it as being a very realistic concern of every day people. You don't see it as a problem people are preparing to fight against, or as a problem that many people across the world have dealt with before. Jesus doesn't return because a greedy system dependent on infinite growth has reached a population cap. There is no pity for avoidable, self made problems being ignored.

Do you have assets? Art, metals, skills, land, education..? Do you have property, or any property you can go too safely in a time of need?

You need to start thinking about how you plan on living your life if the wealthy 1% stop paying for all our luxuries; including our loans, infrastructure and power. All of this depends on massive amounts of money being borrowed or spent. If corporations are not willing to invest money on a population that cannot afford it's products, they are going to find another alternative, like retirement. If the cost of oil is so high that people can't afford to purchase gas; the corporations will stop investing in car production or manufacturing, period.

You should not be undervaluing any threat to the stability of our dollar. You should be preparing. It's a fiat currency, we all know that. The Government is in such massive debt that we either elect the Banks to run the country, toss out the Government and their debt or cut spending so much that massive layoffs could led to 20+ years of deep poverty and civil disordered. Foreign nations will take advantage of this and put pressure on the US to move them out of the way as a foreign power, and buy up their resources.

Not everyone loves America in the world. Not everyone will be upset if they break into civil war. Some nations may just treat the US as the US has dealt with many nations, by selling weapons and encouraging violence.

[-] -1 points by owsleader2016 (12) 2 years ago

Thanks 'GK', ... CL I like that, no the sky ain't falling, but the USA completely miscalculated this one.

What your witnessing here is what Taleb call's a 'black swan', ... everything comes together ...

Just a few months ago Iran said "fuck you to US dollars", ... now it has said 'Fuck You to Euros', ... its all happening quick, but once the oil nations refuse to accept dollars and euros, the western world will collapse over night. CHINA is an economic super-power, and the USA is a debt ridden basket case.

The end of your lifestyle is near, ... so go ahead and apologize for the status quo, and tell us what is left to re-distribute, ... the 'rich' long ago moved their wealth offshore of the USA.

[-] 1 points by badconduct (550) from Ottawa, ON 2 years ago

China is NOT an economic super power.

They are a COMMUNIST COUNTRY. They do NOT have a real economy. Everything is "secret" and dictated by the Government. When the USD fails, China will just stop capitalism and become a political super power and an ideological super power than the poor will reach for.

[-] 1 points by JoeTheFarmer (2654) 2 years ago

China is not longer communist. Most businesses are privately owned. There are some state-controlled entities however they are not particularly profitable.

[-] -1 points by owsleader2016 (12) 2 years ago

China is NOW bigger in GDP than the USA.

It's funny the Chinese have beat the US kleptocracy at their own game, and the apologists here like to play ostriche ( head in the ground )

I made the observation back in the 1980's that the USA was MORE commie than china, ... in 1980 china was wild-west capitalism, today its capitalism on steroids, ...

Today the USA is a fascist welfare state and prison colony.


Why not get off your fat ass and come live here for awhile and see the real. I hate debating China with people who have no fucking idea about the reality. Shanghai today is one of the cleanest most modern city's on earth, there is NO city in america that has the infrastructure, safety, and cleanliness that can be found in most chinese city's. Shit even little Kunming down in Yunnan, is nicer, and cleaner than Portland Oregon, the best city in the USA.

The USA is rotten and polluted, if your really in Canada which I think not, why even bother defending the USA fascist police-state?

[-] 1 points by badconduct (550) from Ottawa, ON 2 years ago

Why do I defend the USA? Because you are my neighbour. I agree with many things the USA has done. It's unfortunate that they were over come with greed at the expense of the rest of the planet. I believe that the US gov really did try to free some nations from dictatorships under the assumptions that free capital would flow and make the standard of living higher. Unfortunately; that was just not a sustainable model. China cannot have the standard of living the USA had in the 1960's with today's oil supplies.

I think the US people are a good people. They have just been consumed by materialism and corporate society.

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[-] 0 points by betuadollar (-313) 2 years ago

Cool. Now let's light it up. Talk about CO2 huh?

[-] 0 points by BlackSun (275) from Agua León, BC 2 years ago

I don't think it's quite that dire.

[-] -1 points by owsleader2014 (8) 2 years ago

Liberals Deny Reality

Conservatives embrace reality ...

Liberals deny that Obama is killing people with drones,

Conservatives celebrate the news when they hear of such atrocity's.

Who do you fear most the liar or the racist? I myself fear the liar most, because at least the racist is honest with himself and others. The liar is honest with nobody.

The only people in the USA that can morally support Obama are liars.

[-] -1 points by owsleader2016 (12) 2 years ago

The OP here is to discuss that IRAN is no longer accepting EUROS & US dollars for their OIL.

Please stick to the subject or move your debate on another topic elsewhere.

If you wish to debate 'china' then create a new post.

[-] -1 points by EndTheFED (65) 2 years ago

Forget Iran they can keep their oil. Burn wood. Nuclear electricity. Return to gold standard. grow food. local government.

[-] 2 points by badconduct (550) from Ottawa, ON 2 years ago

'Burn Wood' - How much more clear cutting can we do?

'Nuclear Power' - Without cheap oil, who is going to pay to have these built?

Your other three, I agree with. There's no solution to the energy crisis, unfortunately. Plan ahead now.

[-] 0 points by owsleader2016 (12) 2 years ago

Yep, that's the solution, now if you can just turn the TITANIC around? See the problem is the Federal Reserve is 100 years in the making.

'Burn Wood', ... yep tell that to people who live in the desert.

Gold Standard? The USA ain't got no gold, it was sold long ago, that's why they have resorted to 'FIAT CURRENCY' ( forcing the world to trade worthless paper ).

'Nuclear Electricity'? Please I thought that was bad, ... Fukashima?

Grow Food... Most USA citizens would starve long before they had their first tomato.

The USA is an imperialist power that run's this HUGE fucking killing machine on OIL, ... and frankly dear they don't care what you think.

[-] -1 points by owsleader2016 (12) 2 years ago

USA hegemony. It's a big word but what does it mean?

That's what I hate most about OWS, they don't even get their definitions correct.

Like 'kleptocracy', shit my team was calling USA a kleptocracy 30+ years ago, and back then it meant "A government ran by common criminals'.

Obama & Bush are JUST common criminals. Nothing special or elite. Just gutter trash, that lied their way to public office.

[-] -1 points by owsleader2016 (12) 2 years ago

One thing you folks need to understand is that China is sitting on $2 Trillion worthless US dollars. They're trying to buy oil with those dollars as quick as they can and store that oil, which will have value in the future, unlike the dollar.

The problem is the game is up, everybody in the world now is trying to buy gold and oil with their dollars prior to the collapse.

The USA yes, shot its self in the foot, because long ago the Federal Reserve and banking system was taken over and the US Government by Goldman Sachs, who has made the US government into their personal 'Economic Hitman' to control the world, but the world is sick and tired of the BULLSHIT.

Now the US dollar is in free-fall, but the biggest irony of all is that the USA had to borrow from CHINA to finance its war's, now the USA has no money to finance OIL WAR's and must raise taxes, and thus it created OWS to push through a VAT-TAX, in emergency times ...

But even if the USA continues to kill everyone in the world, it will NOT protect the US dollar its going down and hard, and the USA citizens will have nothing to eat, nor no oil for their auto.

[-] -1 points by owsleader2016 (12) 2 years ago

Iran quit trading its oil for U.S. dollars and instead began using the Euro ... for Iranians, they'll never tell us the REAL reason they want to attack Iran. ...


Iranian government official voiced his intentions to reject both US dollar and euro as payment for the oil giant's energy exports in the future.


Oil is priced in US dollars, and bypassing the greenback posed ... But that line doesn't make sense, and the sanctions will not achieve their goals ..


.. This is a direct challenge to U.S. dollar supremacy in the global oil market. ... for some time, but this will be due largely to the fact that the Chinese want it that way. ..... rocks Northern Peru bordering Venezuela which doesn't use the Petrodollar ...


Iran quit trading its oil for U.S. dollars and instead began using the Euro ... for Iranians, they'll never tell us the REAL reason they want to attack Iran. ...