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Forum Post: The Dumbing Down of Education

Posted 2 years ago on Feb. 27, 2012, 6:48 a.m. EST by airplaneradio (50)
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'The philosophy of education today will be the philosophy of the voters tomorrow"

We are no longer educating kids with knowledge but instead with values and behavioral development and its coming from those outside of the government but with government approval. It is not in the crapper because they don't have enough money. Its because the money they do have is being spent pushing crap that will turn citizens into button pushing George Jetsons.

And what is this being done under? The name: SUSTAINABILITY

Part 1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7lW5hJw6-8&feature=relmfu

They always words that generate emotional/guity responses (since a lot of us 30 and younger had been receiving the same education but in their pilot and later stages, its in overdrive these days) so we therefore think its a good idea. Why would they call something "Bad Education". They would prefer to call it a School to Work program.

Katie, you didn't spell that word wrong. You are using inventive spelling. There isn't a right way to spell a word.

And I used to think postmodernism was a great idea...

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[-] 2 points by incomeforall (64) 2 years ago

We have to use the educational system to teach failure. How can we have movements like OWS if everyone believes they can succeed? We have to begin early to indoctrinate children with a sense of futility about their future in order to get them to accept what we are creating for a socialistic future.

The lowering of standards in education has been one of our biggest successes, educated, happy, prosperous people are not candidates for the "revolution". We have been wildly successful in our efforts, look at the posters here! Not one of them has any belief in a successful future right here in the middle of the most successful countries in the history of the world.

Never talk down about our success with the educational system!

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 2 years ago

lol

[-] 1 points by jimmycrackerson (940) from Blackfoot, ID 2 years ago

Oh come on...George Jetson saved all the Grungrees from Mr Spacely's evil sprocket empire and also created like 10,000 jobs for the grungees.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 2 years ago

i don't see any grungees complaining

they's happy to work for Mr Jetson

[-] 1 points by Occusuckers (-15) 2 years ago

Look no further than the brainwashed Occutards to see this is true. They actually believe a politician with a "D" feels their pain and just can't be corrupt like the "R" ones. Give me a break. The educational system has to turn out idiots because there are no longer very many jobs left for those with a brain and all we need now is burger flippers and bums for Democrat votes. It is by design and I have done many years of research on this .

[-] 2 points by airplaneradio (50) 2 years ago

I cannot believe just how blind people are when it comes to seeing the 'D' and the 'R'. Well here its certainly the D. I believe you are right. Out of fear of raising potential threats by having educated and literate and creative people or just wanting to maintain by stupefying the masses and make them dependent for the teat and dole. It's just depressing. And all of these apologists who think anything called public and free is a fantastic thing that should never be questioned. When you say nothing is free, you are called a greedy bigot. Insane.

[-] 1 points by alexrai (851) 2 years ago

but, all's free in love and war right?

You can buy an awful lot of food stamps and free health care for the price of bombs, tanks, and even the salaries of federal agents who make a living crashing in the doors of state approved medical dispensaries and luring teenage high school students into finding them pot.

I always thought it was a question of priorities more so than ability to pay.

[-] 0 points by Kite (79) 2 years ago

"You can buy an awful lot of ------- free health care..."

Seriously? I'm not pointing out a grammatical error, but a logic error. There is no such thing as free.

[-] 1 points by alexrai (851) 2 years ago

lol, you got me on that one; I had actually meant free for the user, but point taken.

Since we're on the subject though, lets assume that there is a Federal Reserve which can print up an unlimited amount of free money out of thin air. Currently its being thrown at expensive wars, but alternatively it could be tossed at the health care system; which would you prefer?

[-] 0 points by Kite (79) 2 years ago

I'm pro life. As such, I oppose all unjust war and all capital punishment (as wll as that other thing) so sure, I'd argue that our resources are better spent on healing than on destroying. I'm realistic enough to know that it isn't so simple as packing up our things in Afghanistan and going home. We will create suffering by leaving, too.

More money thrown at the healthcare industry isn't necessarily better either. Read H Gilbert Welch's OpEd in today's NY Times.

[-] 1 points by alexrai (851) 2 years ago

Fair enough. I just look at it like this: If you're going to waste trillions on something, I'd rather it be directed at medicine, education, poverty, or even flushed down the toilet as opposed to using it to blow up other people.

Personally I'd be quite happy to have no war and no healthcare; and I'd be also ok with some kind of basic limited coverage, but not a free-for-all revolving door where hypochondriacs line up because they can't stand their jobs.

[-] 1 points by jimmycrackerson (940) from Blackfoot, ID 2 years ago

I may have the mentality of an eight year old, but the first things that came to my mind upon seeing D and R were Dumbass and Retard, respectively. (but disrespectfully.)

[-] 2 points by BlackSun (275) from Agua León, BC 2 years ago

Very well said!

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[-] 0 points by GirlFriday (17435) 2 years ago

Really? In most areas fourth graders are taking out Supreme Court cases.

Your problems begin when you incorporate testing to the level that it is now and kids have what is called rote memorization. Well, that and clowns like in Arizona that have deluded notions of multiculturalism. So, deluded that they live in fear and get rid of entire programs like Mexican American studies. Or in Texas where they do everything in their power to create this "black people were better off as slaves" mentality.

[-] 1 points by airplaneradio (50) 2 years ago

They aren't doing rote memorization. They aren't even going that far anymore. Did you watch the video? Its about not having any objective knowledge? How can you even utilize rote memorization if you tell kids there is no right or wrong answer anymore? And nothing against multiculturalism and other studies but we aren't even getting the reading, writing, science and arithmetic right! This is called Outcomes Based Education and its been going on for three decades now. Its no longer about teaching knowledge but shaping values.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 2 years ago

I saw and nested double "and" in a constitutional amendment proposal

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 2 years ago

I know for a fact that they aren't doing that. But, that is a very nice try. There is a very right answer for spelling words. They will nail you for it every time.

Life long learning is simply the willingness to seek out knowledge for the rest of your life.

[-] 0 points by airplaneradio (50) 2 years ago

I wouldn't mention it if they weren't doing it. You know for a fact they aren't doing that. So here you go:

http://terrimeredith.hubpages.com/hub/Inventive-Spelling-A-Misguided-Effort-Towards-Real-Education-or-A-Sinister-Plot-To-Dumb-Down-The-Population

Here's a Wiki link on it with those for and against: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inventive_spelling

And finally here is a school's document on how to monitor progress on a student's inventive spelling. http://www.liberty.k12.ga.us/jwalts/Inventive%20spelling.pdf

So I gave you three things that shows you it isn't something someone made up.

[-] 2 points by GirlFriday (17435) 2 years ago

Ah.........it's a sinister plot. You have a wiki link with little to no back up proof. It tells you in the beginning that this isn't mandatory instruction but a few teachers are blah, blah, blah.

You have an article by someone not involved in education with a link to a charter school supporter. This individual has also written an article on the socialist agenda. Yep. That's all it takes. Love your proofiness.

And a link to a document that has something on the stages of inventing spelling. Nothing on it being a part of the curriculum. Thanks.

By the way, here is a direct link to LEAP http://www.aacu.org/value/index.cfm

[-] 1 points by airplaneradio (50) 2 years ago

Why would a school have a document on the stages of invented spelling? Why would this even exist if they don't use it just as you so proudly confirmed for everyone. Your statement made it sound like it didn't exist and I was here to do unjustified fearmongering. But I didn't make it and showed it to you but since it doesn't fit your ideas you just toss it to the side. Very well.

[-] 0 points by GirlFriday (17435) 2 years ago

You are doing unjustified fear mongering. Unfortunately, it is the same old same old crap.

See this? Resources for Writing in Kindergarten http://www.liberty.k12.ga.us/jwalts/intervention_strategies.htm

Scroll down to your invented spelling. There is your pdf. It simply defines it for you. You will also notice two things. 1. It is used in writing exercises, where the focus is on the capacity of kindergartners to write intelligibly in paragraphs. Not as a focus on its ok you can spell it however you want but are they trying to convey thought beyond what they already know.

Like so: A cat is fat. He at(e) a rat. The cat sat.

Very simple and very safe sentences. One spelling mistake.

Then there is stuff like: The cat was fat bcuz he stol coocies and at them. He did not shar them with the rat. He at the rat and sat and sat. Now he is fat. (Lots of mistakes and I am being entirely too kind with punctuation here)

It means that that it is suggested not to crucify them at this point for attempting to write beyond what they already know in a writing exercise. Here is the rubric http://www.liberty.k12.ga.us/jwalts/Kindergarten%20writing%20rubric.pdf

Kindergartners have spelling words and spelling tests and they are expected to be able to spell. I reiterate this is not standard in spelling nor is this instruction. Hence, suggestion as in " I suggest that you don't crucify them on spelling at this point when they attempt to write beyond their level of knowledge."

Your statements indicate more BS in another attempt to demonize the public school system.

[-] 0 points by Occusuckers (-15) 2 years ago

Now I get it. We have a facilitator Agenda 21 educator here folks. I don't doubt her intelligence because that's why she was chosen. GirlFriday is very well versed in the art of manipulating a consensus among those she wants to control. That's why she hates all the freethinkers that went to private schools and actually received and education. You go Girl! You have been exposed. There are others on the other side that have been trained to spot your ilk. Cheers

[-] 2 points by GirlFriday (17435) 2 years ago

Lulz. Look at your name Koch head. How believable is your BS?

[-] 0 points by airplaneradio (50) 2 years ago

Well clearly this among this Objective Learning idea isn't working. Why should I not demonize the public school system? Its a failure beyond proportions. Why should I defend it? Because its public? Therefore I have to worship everything that is public?

This among other things shows education is not working. Literacy is awful. Here is a summary by the National Right to Read Foundation http://www.nrrf.org/essay_Illiteracy.html

So I should support public school systems why? While they are making fools of children and teaching them values clarification instead of reading skills? I have actually taught in the New Orleans area and I was in a school with 9th graders who had a 4th grade reading level and teachers around who couldn't have cared less. It was beyond depressing. So I am not here to fear monger. I'm trying to wake people up. OCCUPY the SCHOOLS even. Why is what you're doing noble while what I do is demonizing. You want to expose the corporate greed and I want to expose the corporate influence in the schools.

I don't blame teachers (at least the ones who don't want this nonsense). I don't blame students. I blame bureaucracy.

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 2 years ago

http://nces.ed.gov/naal/kf_demographics.asp

Of course, you would bring a document from 1996. However, the stats in the link above paint a different picture than the one you are attempting to create. You didn't teach. I call bullshit. You're a right wing shill. You know your full of shit and can't back it up and now you are reduced to .........kicking rocks.

[-] 1 points by airplaneradio (50) 2 years ago

And accuse me of not teaching? Who are you? What goes in a mind like that to shoot me down because you don't like what I say so therefore you must discredit me? You don't know me at all or what I've done. Thankfully I do not have to sit here and defend myself over an Occupy forum. If that's the game I have to play then you are certainly no worthy opponent. It is the mindset you have with horse blinders which is why ultimately in the end you will lose.

[-] 0 points by airplaneradio (50) 2 years ago

Wow. This actually proved my point. You posted as if to say you were right? Wow. Maybe you should read it next time. I love how you call me a right-wing shill. I think seeing how you have done nothing but insult me and make ludicrous accusations and use profanity while I just post things shows your lack of maturity.

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 2 years ago

Are you wounded?

[-] 0 points by newman (-58) 2 years ago

Please support the Koch Brothers, by purchasing their products

[-] -2 points by newman (-58) 2 years ago

Koran burning!!!! Send the good troops some more matches so they can burn more of that crap up

[-] 2 points by GirlFriday (17435) 2 years ago

newman same as the oldman.

Your lack of contribution is noted.

[-] -1 points by Occusuckers (-15) 2 years ago

You always go after those you can't manipulate and demonize them. Why? :-)

[-] -1 points by Occusuckers (-15) 2 years ago

You always go after those you can't manipulate and demonize them. Why? :-)

[-] 2 points by GirlFriday (17435) 2 years ago

Off your knees, Koch sucker.

[+] -5 points by DKAtoday (26697) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

He was funny in a sad way on Seinfeld.

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 2 years ago

I never did like that show. But, he was a sad chap.

[+] -4 points by DKAtoday (26697) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Yeah it was not my favorite sit-com either, but it did have its moments - Kramer was a good character.

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 2 years ago

Really? I thought Kramer was an extension of Christopher Loyd's character in Taxi. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZY0iouvBTwg

Wha-a-a-t

do-o-es

a-a-a-a

Y-e-e-l-l-o-o-w

li-i-i-ght

me-e-e-an?

[+] -5 points by DKAtoday (26697) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Loyd's - another great character. A 60/70s child of Leery gettin by in the face of insurmountable odds. Proving that God does look after some fools?

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 2 years ago

LOL. It was either that or protection as a Reverend.

[+] -5 points by DKAtoday (26697) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Yep. That one slipped by me. No wonder your so good on this site - You are a keen observer.

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 2 years ago

Thanks, DKA.

[-] 0 points by Occusuckers (-15) 2 years ago

The blacks were better off being slaves. Thats just a fact. They had jobs, a place to live and raise their families and they had freedom of religion. What happened with the 16th amendment if you care to study it is that it made the entire nation slaves in the eyes of the Federal government. Hows that for equality.

[-] -1 points by alva (-442) 2 years ago

any program or degee that ends in " studies" is a waste of time and money.