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Forum Post: The Cycle Of Human Society

Posted 5 years ago on Jan. 30, 2013, 1:18 a.m. EST by GypsyKing (8719)
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Since time immemorial human society has followed a recurring cycle:

  1. Society reaches a a state of crisis.

  2. Either competent leaders emerge to counteract the crisis, or society collapses.

  3. Competent leadership produces reform, and reform in turn . . . eventually, prosperity.

  4. Prosperity, in spite of the tiny minority of voices screaming in warning, leads to disipation, selfishness, greed and corruption.

  5. Disipation, selfishness, greed and corruption lead again to a state of crisis.

Now, I ask you . . . just why in the fuck are we teaching our children math, science and technology, for when in ignorance of this truth they will be ipso facto incapable of improving the human condition. How interesting that in a society capable of creating a nuclear accelerator we can't fathomigigger this? I wonder why (not).

What the fuck are we doing?

This knowledge needs to be bred in the womb if we ever really want to improve anything on earth, but we don't do it. Why?

That was a retorical question, but it might be worth a leeetle thinkeemadoodle.

(Hint: it's the same reason we don't teach critical thinking.)



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[-] 1 points by Ache4Change (3340) 5 years ago

Plant Hemp - http://www.nationofchange.org/farmers-begin-planting-hemp-under-new-colorado-hemp-legalization-1359472236 - Think Global ; Act Local ; Switch Off The Television ; Communicate and Aggregate and have faith in your fellow man. Never Give Up! Occupy Your Own Mind & Organise!


[-] 1 points by GypsyKing (8719) 5 years ago


[-] 1 points by gsw (3147) from Woodbridge Township, NJ 5 years ago

It is human nature, it seems to repeat the cycle you outline well. People have short attention spans and some question whether kids should even be taught to think for themselves, which is why the cult of the right is doing same thing over again, not learning.


The following is a guest editor's entry by Dr. John W. Traphagan, Department of Religious Studies, University of Texas at Austin

Last month, the Republican Party of Texas approved its platform for the 2012 election campaign.  One of the more striking elements of the platform is the Party’s position on education.  The platform states, “We oppose the teaching of Higher Order Thinking Skills (HOTS) (values clarification), critical thinking skills and similar programs that…have the purpose of challenging the student’s fixed beliefs…”  While this position from conservatives is unsurprising, it bodes ill for the maintenance of a healthy democracy.  It also lends a reactionary tinge to the education debate in the U.S. and to a political party that seems woefully out of touch with educational trends in other parts of the world in the 21st Century. .................................................................................................

So if schools can't teach critical thinking, good luck getting people to worry about all the big problems and philosophical issues that impact us.

Even new common core curriculum says teach critical reading/thinking, primary research, many in society don't want to even have to think, so it seems. Yep Rome burns. Where's a fiddler? Go usa

[-] 1 points by GypsyKing (8719) 5 years ago

Yes, we must realize that this whole issue, of whether we Really believe in learning at all, is a huge Part of the problem!

Hey, next thing these kids will start asking Questions!

A chimpanzee could put together a better cirriculum than that of your average public school. We must determine to become genuinely educated, and to educate our children, either with the help of, or in spite of the state.

[-] 1 points by GypsyKing (8719) 5 years ago

I hadn't seen that. It's powerful.


[-] 1 points by Misaki (893) 5 years ago

About Time - 21 hours - YouTube

1:31 "The conventional wisdom says, that in periods of hard times, such as the one we're going through, what we need to do is double down and work harder, because we're poorer. That's the standard view ..."

Juliet Schor, Professor of Sociology, Boston College

[-] 1 points by GypsyKing (8719) 5 years ago


[-] 1 points by Misaki (893) 5 years ago

Unemployment is the result of this misunderstanding.

Many problems are the result of unemployment, including war.

[-] 1 points by GypsyKing (8719) 5 years ago

True, but I believe there is a more encompassing understanding that I am trying to drive at here.

I hope you will forgive me if I sometimes get tired and lacking in patience. I have read many of your posts and comments here, and although I have not always agreed, or have seen your views as focused more upon specifics, while what I have been trying to drive at is something more wholistic - I certainly appreciate your sincerity and commitment to revealing your truth,

I'm sorry, I'm too tired to go on.

[-] 1 points by Misaki (893) 5 years ago

Unemployment is not the source of all problems, which is why it hasn't been fixed. Normally, there is a tradeoff between different types of problems, for example suicide vs violence.

What you have described is similar to George Soros' theory of 'reflexivity' regarding financial markets, and also this post: http://jobcreationplan.blogspot.com/2012/03/importance-of-options.html

This general theory of 'unexpected problems in society' is the result of overreliance on other people to define systems, and can be addressed. But precisely because the US places a priority on fairness, people in the US tend to be less aware of the problems that can result when fairness is not maintained.

[-] 1 points by GypsyKing (8719) 5 years ago

Okay, now you are already so far off topic that this seems like mere diversion.

"Seems like George Soros" my ass.

[-] 1 points by Builder (4202) 5 years ago

Nero fiddles while Rome burns.

The "natural human state" is collectivism.

The unnatural human state is narcissism.

Our current dogma/edict/premise, is narcissism.

We applaud it, encourage it, reward it, and foster it.

Now we are wondering why it is our downfall?

[-] 1 points by GypsyKing (8719) 5 years ago

Right. Now you and I are on the same page - this is truth. . .

I recently had a spiritual crisis, induced I think by obsessing over all this, and as a result I hope reached a deeper understanding.

My efforts for this movement, for what they are worth, have since been twofold:

  1. To awake people to the REAL nature of The Problem, which lies not in systems Per Se, but in the nature of mankind ourseves. We simply cannot overcome when we see the problem as lying somewhere outside of ourselves. Self-knowledge - the fearless effort to break down our distorted perceptions regarding our own psyches, and the resulting broken nature of our ends - that ultimately go even beyond right-wing/left-wing separation - this is what we must come to face.

  2. Method . . . how do we disipline ourselves to see precisely what course we must take to achieve the regeneration of mankind? This second question has gotten me in a lot of hot water here, because I believe that we must not reject the democratic process, but rather become political Animals to get this done.

In an age of nuclear weapons, of a thousand thousand thousand dollars per anum spent on conventional weaponry and a popuation armed to the teeth, what power have we but to fearlessly reassert our will to be fully and truely human? It is only this, and relentless action, and the willingness to die but not kill for our cause that can save us.

This is not hyperbole, but fact.

Ghandi said, "You can have my dead body but not my cooperation." He was a visionary.

Einstein said, "Everything has changed but the way humans think." He was a genius.

So let's become the army of justice and courage to face the truth in our hearts, in our familys, in or communities, and in our societies. What more can we fear then what is already transpiring before us? We need only open our eyes.

[-] 5 points by Builder (4202) 5 years ago

Fear is the mind-killer.

For those who consider themselves to be attendees of the movement, fear only your unwillingness to let go of the old ways.

[-] 1 points by GypsyKing (8719) 5 years ago


[-] 1 points by peacehurricane (293) 5 years ago

problem is opportunity with lesson in hand, learn it instead of being scared, acceptance goes far in every case and some peoples eyes do not work, feelings are good when we follow heart it takes us to love place imagine that. opportunity, opportunity, opportunity bless ALL ONE...

[-] 1 points by peacehurricane (293) 5 years ago

It makes things critical or you start thinking. Do away with the money and let em keep it it is no good with out the people to use it against.

[-] 0 points by WSmith (2698) from Cornelius, OR 5 years ago


[-] 1 points by GypsyKing (8719) 5 years ago

I'm half Irish; we use words like that. I always liked fiibberdygiggit.

Poets, priests and politicians, have words to thank for their positians, and all that malarkey.

[-] 0 points by WSmith (2698) from Cornelius, OR 5 years ago

I'm 7/8 Irish but got nothing from my Presbyterian family. Except one thing...

We have an American Political Cycle, too. We go with Cons, we get Burned by Cons, we Reject Cons, and we go Back to Cons. How's 'bout we kickamegiggets this nasty propensity?!

[-] 1 points by GypsyKing (8719) 5 years ago

LOL!!!!! Not a bad idea.

[-] 0 points by WSmith (2698) from Cornelius, OR 5 years ago

Or at least make these serial transgressions painfully and unavoidably evident.