Forum Post: The Constitution gave us the right to dissolve our government
Posted 12 years ago on Oct. 12, 2011, 3:02 a.m. EST by bhosage
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We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. That whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness.
That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed.
That's my favorite line from that passage. Didn't the government pass the bail outs against popular vote? Another thing, have you ever noticed were given the same ten or so candidates from each party to vote for President every four years.
The correct quote is
"Permit me to issue and control the money of a nation, and I care not who makes its laws."
The Rothschild's showed England what happens when a centralized bank fuck you over. Alexander Hamilton was part of this movement and pushed for a central bank, in which Thomas Jefferson replied:
"I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. Already they have raised up a moneyed aristocracy that has set the government at defiance. The issuing power (of money) should be taken away from the banks and restored to the people to whom it properly belongs."
By the way for all you uneducated dumb fucks that make up 20% of this movement, Thomas Jefferson never signed the Constitution. He was doing business in France. Along with this, our country has told us that Thanksgiving was a day of peace between pilgrims and Indians. Actually Thanksgiving was made on November 26th by George Washington, to give thanks to the Constitution of the United States.
Where were you with that genius observation in 1860??? Man when are you people going to realize that the people who control the politicians care not what the piss-ons think. Furthermore, when the hell are you arm chair patriots going to realize this thing has been going on for hundreds of years. "Give me control of a nation's money and I care not who makes the laws".- Mayer Amschel Rothschild (1744-1812)
Problem is the power vacuum. If you overthrow a government, you had better be sure you have a damn good one ready to be up and running the next day. You had also better have 99% of the population on board. That is not what "we are the 99%" means. I am not on board for a civil war, are you? Really, we're much better off reforming the system we have.
No matter what we push for, things will not be sugar plums and candy canes overnight. Obama's election (and subsequent mediocrity) should have disillusioned people who might believe that were possible.
Sorry I meant the Declaration of Independence. Dumb mistake
That's the Declaration of Independence you're quoting, not the Constitution.
I remember hearing the reason for the right to bear arms was so we could fight back against an oppressive government. But I'm not an expert.
Yeah, it's the second amendment to the Constitution. You don't have to be an expert to understand it.
http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html#Am2
Right, I guess that was off topic - I just thought the 2nd amendment was to defend from and possibly overthrow the gov't.. But really I'm not sure about overthrowing the gov't. I think our constitution is pretty good and we should try voting out our representatives first.
I agree. The Constitution is good and it can be amended, if need be.
It need be.
I'm obviously coming to the discussion a bit late but the topic is so interesting, I couldn't help but add to the discussion. As I read the article I was struck with the question: If the people of the United States have the constitutional right to dissolve the Federal Government, how is it possible to even form an exploratory organization for doing that without being investigated for domestic terror? I recall one of the first questions on my psych eval for Army Special Operations was: "Have you ever been involved with an organization whose purpose is to overthrow the government of the United States?" No one had to tell me if I said yes, not only would I fail the eval, but I would most likely be placed on the FBI's investigation list of possible domestic terrorists. I honestly believe the constitutional right to dissolve the Federal Government is no longer a right of the American people.
There is, and never was, any such thing as a Constitutional right to dissolve the government. The government has a Constitutional right to protect itself, Article I, Section 8. You may amend the Constitution. The amendment may be to dissolve the Constitution. However, that would beg the very serious question of how the amendment would be valid, given that you've just dissolved the Constitution itself, thereby, nulling the amendment that you just wrote. Which would have no enforcement power without the Constitution.
No matter what was written in the Declaration, it is just that. A Declaration. Not law. It was a statement for why we sought independence. Not law.
The Founders gave us the Constitution. They did not wish the thing they took such great pains to write, would be allowed to be dissolved. They built in many protections (ie: separation of powers, democratic representation, free speech and the rest of the Bill of Rights). Dissolving the government is not one of them. If they had wanted dissolution of the government to be a right, they would have put that in there. They did not. Instead, they gave the government clear authority to protect itself and the thing they were writing.