Forum Post: the Conservative Modus Operandi
Posted 12 years ago on Aug. 20, 2012, 1:59 p.m. EST by ZenDogTroll
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from South Burlington, VT
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I found this on twitter, it's truth is both self affirming and self evident at once.
I think we've seen it all in action, right on this forum.
Here:
The Conservative MO:
DEFER (to study),
DEFLECT (blame the victim),
DENY (no problem here) then
DESTROY (assimilate with a vengeance).
much thanks to @Pam_Palmater
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I will add also:
DISTORT the Truth, when and if necessary. At ALL costs. No cost too BIG.
(We can always make it up as we go along as long as it makes you happy. You happy? Carry on.)
:D
Pursue Happiness......................................
Come Together NOW
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Hmmm. So your saying that Repugs don't distort the truth?
I guess you lost me there Zen.
Maybe I can restate it to be a little clearer. My bad. Many do distort the TRUTH. Repugs have done so repeatably because the truth isn't on their side. Usually they do so because it makes them happy. It's what motivates them to do so. Or else I really don't think they would bother.
Did I miss something?
Come Together NOW
or not......................................
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Well, that was me making somewhat of a joke coming from a different angle. I was expressing it as IF coming from the mind of the typical Repug. Silly and pretty useless. But I guess I really didn't pay much mind on how I would be taken or mistaken. That was my fault. My bad. I own it.
It does point out however how easy it is to be misunderstood if we're not careful. Also, sometimes we may think that we somehow hit the bulls eye when in fact the bulls eye is in our own mind exclusively.
Truthfully I post here not so much for everyone to think that I'm some sort of genius with such wonderful original thoughts but rather it helps me personally clarify my own thinking. So that out there in the real world I can make more sense when it's my time for the soap box and I can shift the sands ever so slightly.
I'm no different than anyone else around this world trying to make sense out of things where this sensibility only comes through discussions like these and just generally paying attention. My biggest goal is recognizing the truth through the clutter and confusion. That I've been working on since the 1960s. So, I been around the block thousands of times. Being this age makes one realize just what wisdom is. And it doesn't come easy and some will never get it because they don't spend the time to acquire it.
Nice talking with you Zen. ALL the best to you. If we learn something from these things, that's enough to make it worth the time.
I simply stand on head of many giants who came before us. They knew much but it takes a huge commitment from us to REALLY understand. My background as an electronic design engineer has aided me immensely in this pursuit but there's my bias. I'm a lover science first, and truth second. But only objective truth. Subjective truths are largely just perceptions built upon a foundation of which we know nothing of.
Yes, I am bent in a very unique way that most times leaves me talking to myself. Oh well. I accept it. No big deal. I'm here to live my life as I see it. If others learn something from, great! If not, I'm not under any illusion. Take whatever you want. In the end, this thing, at it's very core, is a mystery that we know very little about. If we think we're onto something really big, eat some humble pie. Let's see what death brings, maybe, only maybe, there's an answer there. No one has that answer so in the face of that, where are we, ..................................yes, we can make it up, be happy, sure........................
It's a PUZZLE, and it's not solved, and never will be, not here, not in this time, and clearly not on this Earth. Our egos fight it, but that doesn't make it so. It remains the PUZZLE never to be solved. More humble pie?
Whatever. Good lesson or not. Take it as you wish. I force my will on one.
And then again, we could, if we want......................
Come Together NOW
(Yes, I'm a philosopher as well for whatever that matters)
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LoL. me too!
Thanks Zen!
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The republicans and the democrats use very similar tactics to attain very similar goals. They are different shades of brown, the color of elephant dung.
Modern ideas and real change are to be found elsewhere.
No they don't that's just pure RW propaganda, aimed at discouraging the Vote!
People, these Jokers never stop! Fight back!
Get People REGISTERED and get out the VOTE!!
http://www.gottavote.org/en/?choose-state=true
What is the similar goal of the Dems that coincides with the forced teaching of creationism?
Where the fuck is this elsewhere of which you speak?
Atlantis?
Elsewhere is OWS with direct action, or a third party that supports ideas which are truly to the left. The democrats will never create the new world we want.
The republicans and democrats differ on some issues like creationism, hence why I said they were two different shades of brown. But, many of their goals are quite the same, like helping the rich get richer, creating and managing wars in the middle East to control oil fields. Organizing coups in various countries around the world in order to remain in economic power through force rather than through a real economy based on value.
If you think the democrats are the best way towards a better world it is only because you have been blinded by Obama's good looks. There are alternatives. Look out for them. One alternative is for you to make change yourself, grassroots, a la OWS.
(You really need to open your eyes to alternatives. After all, you are on the OWS site which is a protest created as an alternative to the government administration of Obama. The fact that you don't see OWS as an alternative to Obama is telling.)
You missed answering the first and more important question.
By not answering, you're statement becomes false.
Aw, what the hell. Here's another question you will ignore.
Why is it that the only politician that you mention in almost every post is Obama?
Propagandize much?
I did answer the first question, I said that not all their goals are similar and that's why I said they were DIFFERENT shades of the color brown. If each and everyone of their goals were the same they would be the same party. Yes, republicans want creationism and the democrats don't. Big deal. The Supreme Court has already ruled that teaching Intelligent Design in science class is not permitted. This is one issue, and all the third parties on the left will also be against the idea of teaching creationism in school.
Better vote for a leftwing third party that really wants to help the poor, the environment, etc... then vote for the democrats who have done nothing for us since elected and have only continued to destroy our reputation and country.
If you support the democrat platform, why are you part or OWS which is an anti-goverment protest starting during a time when the democrats were in power?
He is the leader of the democratic party and the current president OWS started fighting against, but now protesters such as yourself seem to be getting a hard on for him.
You just didn't understand the question.
You should go back and read it and try again.
Or perhaps respond to the 900+ bills enacted by (R)epublita(R)ians that restrict women's rights.
BTW. You really didn't answer the last question either.
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I found it sophisticated, yet inarticulate.
Still I agree that it was answered in the affirmative.........:)
Just another propaganda hack that laments OWS wasn't called Occupy Obama.
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Oh, I know how to read all "right".
I also learned how to ignore propaganda.
You?
Not so much, as it seems to be all you post.
You post that racist/sexist link again, and I will see to it that you will be banned and have to invent yet another username, to come back and insult people.
and with your low level imagination, I know you will have problems with that.
A link to a sex toy is sexist and racist? How so? I'm really wondering what you think is sexist or racist with that link?
you have to understand that shooz is a professional agitator.
shooz is a contentious debater that presents fact and does not suffer party preachers.
debater?. you're unintentionally funny.
Post it again and find out.
If you don't know by now? It's likely too late.
Here's a link for you.
http://racismtoday.blogspot.com/
It's just sick - like you. What kinda shit you trying to post on this forum anyway?
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LOL - in support : Atlantis
Perhaps it's the troll itself that need the analysis?
Yes - but by a professional - many long and informative hours on the analysts couch. {:-]) Then perhaps after a couple years of that the troll could be allowed to take part in some form of group therapy.
A long stay in an institution would be helpful.
I wonder how good it's insurance is?
LOL - since it is against government social programs - perhaps a charity might be called upon to help.
It's having fun voting me down.
At least I can afford it!!!!!!
silly lost trolls. So Sad they Are. {:-])
http://forums.hannity.com/image.php?u=594251&type=sigpic&dateline=1345131015
"On the Road to Ryan and Ruin", by Lawrence Davidson :
"A Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan presidency would most likely increase the pace of deregulation and destroy what is left of the country’s safety nets. It would ultimately devastate the middle class, greatly increase the ranks of the poor and unemployed, do away with union rights, and reserve prosperity for the upper class alone. All of this will be done in the name of the liberty. And, it will be guided by an ideological paradigm that has already been historically proven to be disastrous.
We can speculate about popular reaction to these policies as time goes on. There will probably be eventual demonstrations in the streets. Those in power will respond with red-baiting tactics and repression against the protesting victims of their policies. Also, keep in mind that these ideologues will almost certainly bring us a new set of wars."
caveat ...
Clear sight - and no it is not a pretty sight - but the truth must be told and shared - if we are to have a chance for a different outcome - Thx shadz
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Catchy, catchy, very catchy... Down with 'D's and up with 'C's... sublime, I love it. Our new mantra. Ok, so what's for dinner?
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Oh yes, it seems so fitting... and likely quite tasty, too
those are the alinsky/obama tactics.
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You agree the dems are the party of the poor and needy?
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We cannot answer the question - "Are the dems the party of the poor and needy?" by comparing them with the republicans. This can only tell us if they favor taking care of the poor and needy more than the republicans, but it doesn't tell us if they truly have a platform that is based around the poor and needy. Being more favorable towards the poor and needy than the republicans doesn't mean much at all, it's a very minimum requirement for decency.
It's 2012, we should not strive for something that's merely better than the republicans. We should strive for true excellence.
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LOVE
Compared to the candidates, policies and 1% allegiance of the RepubliCon Cult most any Dem will be a choice of "true excellence"!!
Do what the 1% and their Cons don't want us to do:
Get People REGISTERED and get out the VOTE!!
http://www.gottavote.org/en/?choose-state=true
the economy stinks. over 40 months of unemployment ovr 8%, yet obama said the economy is just fine.
This is not the house or senate floor. This is not a TV ad. Your party preaching has no place on this forum.
Have I missed you telling the resident DUMBOCRATS the same thing
OK, it's a Class War forum, so let's talk about the weather!!
People, their BS never quits coming!
Get People REGISTERED and get out the VOTE!!
http://www.gottavote.org/en/?choose-state=true
im an a citizen, not a party who is aware that there have been over 40 straight months of unemployment. obama said that ( not too long ago) that the economy was doing fine.
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Maybe he just came out of a coma?
at a press conference, june 8th, obama said that" the private sector is doing fine". he later recanted that.
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no dear im not lying.too lazy to do your own search? just type in " obama says the private sector is doing fine". he caught hell for LYING.
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first you said he never said it, then you said i was lying when he said that " the private sector was doing fine" june 8th 2012. 2012,............ is been 3 1/2 years of his policies. he now owns the economy. the blame game is over. now you say is dont matter if i was telling the truth or not. agenda is everything for you, the truth be damned. what a pathetic little person you are.
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dear sewer mouth, you said i lied. when i said that obama said on june 8th that " the private sector is doing fine". i did not lie. OBAMA did.
How did he lie?
Corporate profits are up, up, up.
WallStreet profits are up, up ,up.
What's in our pockets are down,down, down.
That's accepted as how it works in the "private sector".
Where did you think profits come from?
Some invisible hand?
the unemployment rate has been over 8% for the last 40 months. more people are on food stamps than ever before. the price of gasoline is steadily rising, along with the cost of food.. business's are closing. that is NOT excepted. this is NOT the " new normal" if you except it, you're perfect candidate for " useful idiot".
You do understand what it means to be in a recession?
I was layed off for 6 long years during the Reagan recession and I knew some that were layed off for 10 years, and this one is even worse.
There is no magical switch to flip to get out of such things, it takes good old fashioned time.
Still trying to blame the wrongs of the past administration onto the current administration while at the same time ignoring the corporATist activity and rebellion against the people by those in office right now. Huh. Typical shill.
you have it backwards, obama is STILL blaming bush . obama owns this economy.
Repubs crashed the economy, and have prevented a strong recovery with their obstruction.
Just republican talking points. Anti dem partisan attacks. Meaningless rhetoric.
Bush crashed the economy & Pres Obama has created the recover. We would be recovering faster except for your republicans obstruction.
42 months of unemployment over 8% is NOT a recovery.more people than ever ( under obama) is not a recovery. gm , despite being bailedout by obama ( taxpayer money) is facing bankruptcy AGAIN. obama had both house for 2 years. this mess is his.
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do the search "obama says the private sector is doing fine" . he said, at a press conference , june 8th 2012.
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obama said the private sector is doing just fine. he lied. busines's shutting down, unemployment over 8% for 42 months. more people than ever on food stamps. the private sector is NOT fine.
Oh yeah! The whole RepubliCon Cult denies science and evolution and democracy and public service!!!
They never stop, People!!
Get People REGISTERED and get out the VOTE!!
http://www.gottavote.org/en/?choose-state=true
i have no idea what you're talking about , it has no relevance to my post.
Trust me! If you don't understand, it's entirely your problem!!
Oh, I see. You put down Obama for the normal ebbs and flows of politics, and meanwhile RepubliCons are fucking insane!! But you say nothing about those far more grievous Con problems. So that makes you an even bigger idiot for not seeing the absurdity of your protest!!
8% unemployment is not normal. not in a country that had 8 years ( under bush ) of 5% unemployment. obama owns this economy.
Untold millions of jobs, homes, pensions, nest eggs and lives were lost as a result of Bush disaster capitalism governing.
It's not really fair to blame Obama -- or Bush -- for jobs lost in their first few months before their policies took effect. If we more sensibly look at private sector payrolls after their first six months in office, then Obama has created 3.1 million jobs and Bush created 967,000 jobs.
Private sector growth has skyrocketed under Obama, delayed Bush-damage repercussions, offshoring and deliberate sabotage are responsible for the continued unemployment.
the housing bust was the result of fannie/freddie forcing banks to give mortgages to what the banks knew to be bad risks. reno was a part of it. so countrywide ( mozilo,gave friendly rates to dodd). the economy is in a shambles due to obama and his plan to take down the usa. bailout of gm, solyndra, lightsquared and other billion $ losses of taxpayer money that went to line the pockets of obama s friends. gm is on the verge of bankruptcy ,.............again. private sector growth has NOT skyrocketed under obama. it's in the toilet because of him. in 2009 the white house (obama) said the economy would be growing at a brisk 4.3% annual clip and umeployment would be down to 5.6%. his top economists predicted we'd be smack in the midle of a fat streak of high growth for years: 4.3 in 2011, followed by 4.3% in 2012 and 2013 and 4.00 % in 2014. we havent hit those numbers, not even close AND , under obama, moodys downgraded the credit rating of the usa.
Your are a brainwashed Zombie, eating your own hands, spitting out ill-conceived pe-digested RepubliCon Talking Lies. Typical Con MO, when dis-proven on one point, you just go to another pre-fabbed lie. And in the end, it all harms you. But Zombies don't sense harm, they just do what they're told by the higher power authority figures. Which for the RepubliCon Cult is the 1%!
Jobs ~ Being held hostage by the private sector!
Housing Crisis ~ Predatory Mortgagors, Wall Street Casino banking!
Private Sector ~ Skyrocketing: https://www.politicolnews.com/the-real-private-sector-record-under-obama/
If you don't want to be proven the braindead RW Zombie your are, then go pedal your RW Simple Simon lies on News Busters where facts and truth aren't an issue.
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I have tried, but I have no clue what use it has.
you dear are the brainwashed/braindead zombie.you're one of the "useful idiots" of ows, the dems, soros and gerard and golash. no comment about the usa being downgraded under obama? nothing to say about the white house projections of the economy that never played out in real life?
This must certainly be your first recession.
You talk like a rookie.
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I get it, you're uneducated: RepubliCons Sabotage
American Heritage Dictionary:
sab·o·tage
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(săb'ə-täzh') pronunciation n.
Destruction of property or obstruction of normal operations, as by civilians or enemy agents in time of war.
Treacherous action to defeat or hinder a cause or an endeavor; deliberate subversion.
tr.v., -taged, -tag·ing, -tag·es.
To commit sabotage against.
[French, from saboter, to walk noisily, bungle, sabotage, from sabot, sabot. See sabot.]
Computer Desktop Encyclopedia: sabotage Top Home > Library > Technology > Computer Encyclopedia
The deliberate damage to equipment or information. For example, Web site defacement is an example of information sabotage.
Barron's Business Dictionary: sabotage
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Direct interference with or destruction of productive capabilities in a plant or factory by those opposed to a company’s management or to the country in time of warfare. Saboteurs perform such acts. Disgruntled employees can often be industrial saboteurs.
Roget's Thesaurus: sabotage Top Home > Library > Literature & Language > Thesaurus
noun
A deliberate and underhanded effort to defeat or do harm to an endeavor: subversion, undermining. See attack/defend.
verb
To damage, destroy, or defeat by sabotage: subvert, undermine. See attack/defend.
Antonyms by Answers.com:
sabotage
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n
Definition: damage Antonyms: aiding, assistance, fix, help
v
Definition: incapacitate, damage
Antonyms: abet, aid, fix, help
Oxford Dictionary of the US Military:
sabotage
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n.an act or acts with intent to injure, interfere with, or obstruct the national defense of a country by willfully injuring or destroying, or attempting to injure or destroy, any national defense or war material, premises, or utilities, to include human and natural resources.
Gale Encyclopedia of US History: Sabotage
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A term borrowed from French syndicalists by American labor organizations at the turn of the century, sabotage means the hampering of productivity and efficiency of a factory, company, or organization by internal operatives. Often sabotage involves the destruction of property or machines by the workers who use them. In the United States, sabotage was seen first as a direct-action tactic for labor radicals against oppressive employers. The first organization to openly proclaim sabotage as a tactic, though by no means the only labor group to employ it, was the Industrial Workers of the World, known as the Wobblies. A Wobbly translated Sabotage by French syndicalist Émile Pouget and promulgated the various means of sabotage offered in the book and used by European radicals since the 1830s.
Though the Wobblies were the loudest advocates of sabotage tactics, such as playing dumb or tampering with machines, no state or federal authority ever established legal proof that they actually instigated sabotage. In fact, one historian has asserted that the American Federation of Laborers was linked more closely with industrial violence. Nevertheless, the Wobblies' association with syndicalism and socialism terrified industrialists, antisocialists, and other Americans who feared "red" infiltration of American society.
During World War I, American concern about sabotage turned to the military when operatives supported by the German government blew up the munitions supply terminal at Black Tom Pier on the New Jersey side of New York Harbor. Germany was hoping to coerce the United States into the war, a tactic that also involved the torpedoing of the Lusitania. The bombing at Black Tom in July 1916 and a second explosion at a shell manufacturing plant eight miles north in December broadened the definition of saboteur beyond socialists and anarchists.
In the 1950s, sabotage seemed to serve the purposes of workers as well as enemy nations when Americans believed that the Soviet Union was infiltrating United States labor and community organizations. In November 1950 the Herald Tribune reported that sardine cans discovered on a merchant marine ship were actually filled with how to manuals for short-circuiting electrical lines, burning vital transformers, and other forms of industrial sabotage.
In the late twentieth and early twenty-first centuries, sabotage moved from the factory to cyberspace, as hackers frequently infiltrated computer systems to destroy data or embarrass companies. In one of the costliest acts of sabotage in American history, a computer programmer at a New Jersey engineering firm in 1998 allegedly planted a "computer bomb" that deleted software critical to the company's operations, leading to the loss of more than $10 million in sales and contracts. In the spring of 2001 hackers broke into California's electricity grid. There was little damage, but the system's vulnerability was apparent and embarrassing. Computer hackers, much like their syndicalist forerunners, developed their own antiauthoritarian culture based on infiltrating America's key computer systems. Though sabotage was originally a tactic promoted by intellectual subversives attacking specific economic and governmental systems in Europe, in America it became a tactic used by activists operating in numerous areas of society and for many different reasons.
RepubliCon Sabotage
Read more: http://www.answers.com/topic/sabotage#ixzz24K5mZ9JK
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the borrowing rate charged by banks is a standard rate. it is NOT lower for first time buyers. countrywide forced its underwriters to approve mortgages to financially unqualified people. the people who worked for countrywide that refused to do so were fired.its not a talking point puppy, its a fact.
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name the program(s).
"puppy"? Almost got through a comment without an insult. But your meanspiritedness cam out. Ha.
Obama can't water this economy much with the Cons, elephant and the 1% standing on the hose, now can he?
Don't be Conned, People!!
Get People REGISTERED and get out the VOTE!!
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Quintessential Classic RepubliCon MO: Pettifog and Recriminate!
Fight the Power!
Get People REGISTERED and get out the VOTE!!
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