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Forum Post: The collapse of civilisation by usury

Posted 5 years ago on Oct. 7, 2012, 4:38 a.m. EST by niphtrique (323) from Sneek, FR
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Civilisation collapses when too many people have become dependent on it. The natural condition for humans is to live and work in small groups that are largely self sufficient. The most important cause of people becoming dependent on the system is usury. Usury forces people into debt slavery [ http://www.naturalmoney.org/full-theory.html#dyay ] and usury favours large scale operations [ http://www.naturalmoney.org/full-theory.html#usec ].

Because of the usury economic cycle markets will correct in a rude way with businesses going bankrupt, economic recessions and depressions. In this process much useful capital is destroyed which could be productive if there was demand. The destruction of capital also results in a destruction of wealth. Since we live a democratic society this will not be accepted and such issues will automatically lead to a strong call for government intervention and regulation [ http://www.naturalmoney.org/full-theory.html#pwfm ].

Government intervention can reduce the severity of economic recessions and economic depressions in the short term but create an ever bigger problem long term namely increasing debt on which interest must be paid. Another problem is that government intervention causes inefficient politically connected businesses to remain in operation. Goverment intervention is also a source of corruption. The invisible hand can regulate many economic affairs more efficiently than governments can [ http://www.naturalmoney.org/full-theory.html#pwgi ].

The expansion of government and the welfare state are consequences of failures in Capitalism caused by usury. The accumulation of capital in the hands of a few enhanced by usury and inheritance will cause the poor to become a majority. They will elect people that try to stop economic laws from functioning because those laws are considered to be unjust. Many poor will then become dependent on the government which will then cause civilisation to collapse. Averting such a disaster means that people should become more self sufficient and usury should be abolished.



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[-] 1 points by nomdeguerre (1775) from Brooklyn, NY 5 years ago

"We dismantled the most ancient of human laws, the law against usury, which had existed in some form in every civilization from the time of the Babylonian Empire to the end of Jimmy Carter’s term." (Thomas Geoghagen) http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/04/14/719789/-How-Unlimited-Interest-Rates-Destroyed-the-Economy

Usury Guide http://www.10percentisenough.org/whatisusury


"Usury, once in control, will wreck any nation." http://www.michaeljournal.org/plenty24.htm


[-] 1 points by Builder (4202) 5 years ago


Relying on criminals to support you is pointless.

[-] 1 points by niphtrique (323) from Sneek, FR 5 years ago

That is the other opposite. My proposal is to end usury and to reduce dependencies.

There was no anarchy 50 years ago or 100 years ago but people were more self sufficient.

[-] 1 points by Builder (4202) 5 years ago

I'm prepping for the end time.

The usefullness of the working class is drawing to a close.

[-] 1 points by niphtrique (323) from Sneek, FR 5 years ago

There may be a surprise waiting for us. It was already planned this way thousands of years ago because this universe is a virtual reality:


God likes a good joke:


So the plan I am working on has a good chance of success for two reasons:

  • it is rational, and the only plan that can solve all major issues;
  • God appears to be behind it so it is the only plan that could convince everyone.

Still, I have a hard time convincing people that I am right. Most people stick with their own beliefs, and if it remains that way, then we are doomed.

But this universe is a virtual reality and we are programmed simulations of humans and completely controlled The Programme that runs this universe, so there is a glimmer of hope :).

This is The Plan I am working on:


[-] 1 points by Builder (4202) 5 years ago

I still have the luxury of choice, so I'm choosing to go caveman, and hopefully entice a cavewoman.

[-] 1 points by niphtrique (323) from Sneek, FR 5 years ago

I do not have the luxury of choice. I have to work on this plan. But if it is ignored then I can stop working on it and let it go.

In that case it is not my problem any more because this universe is controlled by a script and I have no influence on it.

What I have found seems serious. But if nobody listens by December 21 then I am planning to call the mission bullshit.