Forum Post: The Arctic ice is melting away.
Posted 8 years ago on Nov. 21, 2016, 8:13 a.m. EST by factsrfun
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from Phoenix, AZ
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Arctic sea ice has declined for the past 4 days at about 12,000 sq. km per day, this is the middle of the growth stage. Normal growth would be about 65,000/day at this time of year. I know I talk about this a lot, but that's inversely proportional to the media. I understand it's unlikely we will do anything about this, it's also likely that the world will be a very different place very soon. I think it is important to bear witness to important things, so I will.
Of course I am a part of this, I drive to work and use a computer and this is happening right now and just like the CO2 that will never be below 400 ppm again, this is not going back. We are entering a new weather pattern where the Arctic ice cap does not last the summer.
http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/charctic-interactive-sea-ice-graph/
update: If you open the link and click on a line on the chart a graph from that date in time will pop up showing ice coverage compare those past years to this year and you will see how bad it is, and you can "grab" a piece and it will zoom.
''80,000 Reindeer Have Starved To Death In Siberia Because Of Melting Sea Ice'', by Dominique Mosbergen:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/reindeer-dead-climate-change_us_5832bda6e4b058ce7aabe78e & also consider this
https://twitter.com/billmckibben/status/799783145356886016
Are we all proverbial ''Canaries in The Cage'' now because none of us - can withstand Global Warming?
verum ex absurdo ...
This isn't something off in the future anymore, I guess we will see what we see, I hope you don't mind but I just can't bear to open that link.
''A Blueprint for a Party That Is Truly for the Working Class'' ...
I hear what U say & get why U say it, ergo this link above ... in the hope it offers some some inspiration.
spero meliora ...
Those who seek to create their own power base just divide and weaken us, we must take over the Democratic Party it is the only path otherwise the GOP will hold power forever.
Do you get that <20% of American Adults Actually voted for tRUMP?! OR - that despite getting nearly 3 million votes more than him .. that the same applies to HellaryRC?!! OR, do you get that BOTH Dems & GOP started off life as uprising & rebellion against existing Political Parties & that Abraham Lincoln won as the 3rd Party Candidate on <40% of the vote?!!! IF U do not try to get these things, then U will remain mired in the Duopoly Democracy Delusion - just like you already so clearly still are right now!! WTFU frf!
nosce te ipsum ...
Third parties put W Bush in the WH and now Drumpf is POTUS, you are the most vile of ego driven bullshit artist.
oh dear; Oh Dear; OH DEAR!!! Both Dems & Reps were born as"Third parties'' by the way!! Re-read my previous reply above and start dealing with The Past to understand The Present or else, you'll help fuck up The Future by dooming youself to repeating The Past! Finally, these links are better off here - so ...
http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/40808-on-the-thawing-tundra-researchers-race-to-understand-black-carbon-s-climate-impact - by Madeline Ostrander,
http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/40813-protesters-take-to-streets-in-new-york-city-enraged-by-trump-s-decision-to-withdraw-from-paris-climate-deal Video by Amy Goodman, Democracy Now!
ad iudicium ...
both W Bush and ALL that came with him and Drumpf and ALL that comes with him also "come from third parties" so maybe it would be better to focus on reality....
The "reality" to which you allude - is one of Corporate Co-opted, Corrupted & Controlled Duopoly - where USA's 0.01% Oligarchy have a ''Controlled Opposition'' Monopoly .. such that USA is NOT a Democracy but is a demoCRAZY deMOCKERYcy! Both Dems and GOP (under Abe Lincoln) .. came into existence by being The 3rd Party in their time. THAT is The "reality" you should '''focus'' on'' maybe! Now, dare you
ad iudicium ...
I know you love Trump I hope you enjoy your win.
''Climate Change Brings Socialism and Science Together'', by Eve Ottenberg:
So other than the same track, on the same record, that your needle is stuck in .. d'U get why this link has value? Otherwise...
sic transit gloria mundi!
As long as Trump is POTUS we will be living with YOUR choice. Until such time as you see the HUGE mistake it was not to do ALL you could to keep him from the WH, you're the one who's stuck with your decision.
''The Crisis of Civilization'' (Full Length Documentary):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMgOTQ7D_lk and further consider ...
http://occupywallst.org/forum/i-support-the-truth-party/#comment-1073194
Looks like YOU'RE still projecting YOUR ire with tRUMP voters like your friends & family onto this forum! Dolt!! News for U factsy .. Hellary Rotten Clinton, the DNC & RW Dems like YOU are more responsible for the current POTUS than I'll ever be!!! Watch the doc & join some dots IF factsrfun!
Per OP consider: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/oct/20/insectageddon-farming-catastrophe-climate-breakdown-insect-populations - by G.Monbiot, who also wrote:
http://www.truth-out.org/opinion/item/42340-george-monbiot-we-need-a-new-political-story-of-empathy-and-sharing-to-replace-neoliberalism
ad iudicium ...
If the people who voted for Jill Stein in Wisconsin and Michigan had voted for HRC instead Drumpf would not be POTUS, but I must admit Gary Johnson got like 4 times the number of votes Jill did, but then anyone who has seen Jill in a debate or seen her speak would understand why she isn't even top choice among 3rd parties...
You hate Dr.Stein more than tRUMP .. U Dem Fixated Fukwit!!! Bet that U now hate Donna Brazile too these days!! U're such an unmitigated, unreconstructed, Dem/DNC/HRC ass kissing Moron, aren't U?!
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/nov/05/hacks-review-donna-brazile-hillary-clinton-democrats-donald-trump
and once again, see: http://occupywallst.org/forum/a-3-minute-clip-that-shows-what-we-must-do/#comment-1074119
Your ass-ertion re.Stein's vote in Wisconsin & Michigan is flat out wrong but that won't stop u saying it!
See our exchange which starts here with the first link below and ends with the second recent reply link:
http://occupywallst.org/forum/a-3-minute-clip-that-shows-what-we-must-do/#comment-1072073
http://occupywallst.org/forum/a-3-minute-clip-that-shows-what-we-must-do/#comment-1074121
et temet nosce ...
Super moon high tide floods in coastal cities the other week. I wonder what's next? I've been telling my kids for years if war or super predator economic FIRE don't get us, the environment will. My oldest has 25 acres on a Hill Country (Central Texas) river that ran at least a trickle all through the recent draught. Plenty of deer. She has chickens, turkeys and goats. I live two miles away and keep telling her: "Be prepared!"
No god or hero, especially fearless leader, is likely to save us. If we want to be saved, we'd better save our selves.
solar cells and some batteries, being able to be off grid may help too, if I can't get out of Phoenix I'm screwed, as far as doing anything, we might of had a shot in 2000 but a lot of people couldn't see a difference between Bush and Gore, enough so that the GOP could steal it, everything old is new again....
You should advise her to set up an underground water cistern (or several?) and keep it topped off from that river trickle.
They've got a pretty good well. I'm trying to talk them into taking my solar panels as starter. They need to have independent power. I think they'll get there ... if we have enough time. Of course that's unpredictable. Marx though the immanent total economic collapse due to concentration of wealth and the concomitant debt deflation wouldn't come for another couple of hundred years. Yet here we are.
Those solar panels could make a huge difference. I don't know about anymore - but - when I was younger - people could generate their own electricity & what ever they didn't use was bought by the utility company - my friends Dad did so on his property with a small windmill.
Still water can breed the worst killer of human beings - mosquitoes. Cisterns if not regularly cleaned out or easily visible and drainable can be very deadly. If used for drinking water, there are also water-borne diseases to worry about. There are ways around these as I had lived in a neighborhood which had a cholera case before. We went away from cisterns to municipal treated-water supplies for good reasons.
Of course, if they are for emergencies only, they may make sense in the same way that people in the last century or two before had to live with cisterns, even for billionaires, nobles, or royalties.
Mosquitoes?
Sure in OPEN standing water
Not in an underground (enclosed) cistern!
Perhaps but there may still be other bad things such as listeria, cholera, or parasites.
You bet - but basically what you are talking about is water that is subject to raw sewage that is also used as drinking water because that is all of the water that is available - river or stream water that the community's waste is pumped into without treatment.
What I originally responded to = was the fact that she was using water from the river already and was fortunate that even during the severe drought she still had a trickle to use. So - installing a cistern to collect some of that trickle or even full flow would not be any more harmful than what she is currently doing - it would just be ensuring water availability.
The cleanest water that comes to a place naturally with ease is most often rain, hail, or snow. Any large surface for collecting precipitation is subjected to nonstop aerial bombings by avians wielding biological weaponry. Post-collection treatment is therefore often necessary.
I agree that your idea of using cisterns is not more harmful than what she is doing. I want people to know of the potential pitfalls and tradeoffs so that they can tailor their ways to fit their needs better.
The ancient Romans designed house architectures so that the roofs worked as a gigantic funnel collecting water to the pool/cistern in the atrium close to the kitchen where the water was needed. The overflowing water was guided to the backyard garden where they could grow food. Integrated material(heating, cooling, lighting, electricity, telecommunication, air, water, food, garbage, sewerage) flow management can most effortlessly(passively) be done through architecture.
I looked at China's Forbidden City palace's ancient buildings and I said to myself, "The Chinese did away with the yucky job of gutter cleaning altogether (No gutters!), how clever!" Oh yeah, I've got to do that not-so-fun chore(good attitude about doing these chores elevates one's stature in the eyes of the knowledgeable ones) again soon before winter. :( We may even reduce global warming by painting our roofs white (like Santorini's white buildings and lower our air conditioning bills in the summer).