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Forum Post: The Ability to Go to the Root

Posted 2 years ago on May 16, 2015, 10:01 p.m. EST by turbocharger (1756)
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The ability to fix things at the root is really the key to fixing things for the long term.

Anyone familiar with the Japanese and Six Sigma knows how powerful this "fix it at the root no matter what" strategy can be.

http://www.isixsigma.com/new-to-six-sigma/getting-started/what-six-sigma/

In power structures there is usually little desire to fix something completely, as those with the power realize that it is those very problems from which they take their power.

Most problems in any structure/system are not hard to fix in terms of the how. Its the execution that is the tough part. In the political world, it is even tougher, as everyone gets a say.

That being said, if the dialogue is controlled to allow very lively debate within a restricted range of solutions (chomsky) it is easily controlled. If its easily controlled, the chances of the general population ever having a real debate on real solutions is slim to none. Its just how it goes.

That was one of the best aspects of occupy, and probably one of the most intrusive to the current establishment (just one more reason why they had to shut it down) was that it provided a platform for discussion, a 24/7 non formal platform.

People showing up and doing nothing but hanging out and kicking all things political. Usually at social gatherings politics is avoided, but not with occupy. It was more than welcomed.

And with discussion comes better understanding. And with better understanding comes better solution through improved creativity.

Creativity has been one of mankinds best assets. We seem to have lost that in our political dialogue.

How do we get it back?

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[-] 1 points by windyacres (1197) 2 years ago

If i understand the forum now dk will remove this post and then muddy the discussion. dk please explain.

[-] -1 points by DKAtoday (33169) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

See comment = http://occupywallst.org/forum/the-ability-to-go-to-the-root/#comment-1059281

Perhaps you were misinformed. As I Have Not Removed Any Post or Comment.

[-] 2 points by windyacres (1197) 2 years ago

I am not only misinformed, but confused about how the forum is working. Many posts are being removed, please explain if you understand.

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (33169) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

I have not seen a post removed - which posts have you noticed being removed?

[-] 3 points by windyacres (1197) 2 years ago

I had one removed earlier today, and i see the word removed many times. Typically it is combined into a post of yours which may or may not include you songs. I am confused.

[-] -1 points by DKAtoday (33169) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

BTW - how would you approach a gentleman like this?

See man hate ACA. See man refuse to get ACA. See man whine that he can't get ACA.

Because to him - it's all about the dems - bout the dems - bout the dems - and not the rethuglicans in his own state government and federal government.

[-] -1 points by DKAtoday (33169) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

[-] 2 points by windyacres (1081) 10 minutes ago

I had one removed earlier today, and i see the word removed many times. Typically it is combined into a post of yours which may or may not include you songs. I am confused.

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"I am confused"

So am I - I don't quite get what you are saying - are you saying that there appears to be an auto function that is removing certain words? I know the site used to remove automatically any mention of ron paul.

[-] 2 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 2 years ago

that was just a bored programmer playing with possibilities

[-] 2 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 2 years ago

that one got a job programming for google

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[-] 2 points by windyacres (1197) 2 years ago

You know I believe you but have no idea how you would know.

[-] 2 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 2 years ago

i don't have a reason to believe myself

cultural acceptance and compliance seems beyond my understanding to reason

[-] 3 points by windyacres (1197) 2 years ago

I've read enough of your posts to know you sometimes have insight. Sometimes I have no idea where you're coming from. lol

[-] 2 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 2 years ago

i used to be a bored programmer

but i lost out on the market when i quit the military

fun stuff it was automation and research

[-] -1 points by DKAtoday (33169) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Anyone familiar with the Japanese and Six Sigma knows how powerful this "fix it at the root

In politics that root is how the people are represented.

How the people are represented currently - IS - the people elect people to office to act on their behalf to operate within the constraints of a set control = The Constitution.

Problem of that root process - is that people elected to office will do their own thing once they get into office and it need not be anything like what they told you when they were running for office and could very well be contrary to the control that was set over them = The Constitution.

To change that root problem - the public needs to be consistent in how people are chosen for office (who the people put into office) = vet them = what is their record? what do they themselves believe? what do they say? what have they actually done? The people need to consistently choose those who actually represent them and insist that the elected follow their set control and not subvert it (The Constitution).

What happens when that goes wrong and the person in office does not represent the people and does not follow their set control (The Constitution) but goes off into their own dealings for their own interests? ROOT = the people remove them from office. Part of the correction of this root going forward - is - to introduce direct participatory democratic action for the public into government and put teeth into the control = The Constitution - perhaps by tying them to an oath of office that is enforceable and is enforced.

But nowhere in six sigma - does it ever state that you divorce yourself from the process - *NO IT STATES FIRMLY THAT YOU ALWAYS ARE IN CONTROL OF THE PROCESS! - THAT YOU MUST REMAIN IN CONTROL OF THE PROCESS - IN CONTROL OF EVERY SEGMENT OF THE PROCESS AND MONITOR IT AND MAKE CORRECTIONS AS ERRORS APPEAR IN THE SEGMENTS OF THE PROCESS THAT THE ERRORS ARISE

[-] 4 points by windyacres (1197) 2 years ago

is anyone here in control of the process?

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[-] -2 points by DKAtoday (33169) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

[-] 1 points by mdonelly (404) from Mineola, NY 4 minutes ago

Good question...

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Oh save it stinkle teamer. We all know that you would love the control of the process. But you can't have it.

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[-] -2 points by DKAtoday (33169) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

[-] 0 points by mdonelly (411) from Mineola, NY 0 minutes ago

So you will be going to the Left Forum...from May 29 to June 1st, high school kids can enter FREE wit a valid ID. Will you be dressed like a Democrat again?

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1st track: (Dancing) "ooo look something shiny"

dancing............ Dancing............. DANCING................ we're a dancing machine

Ah baby

Move it baby

dancing . . . Dancing . . . DANCING . . .

. . . . we're a dancing machine . . . Ah baby

Move it baby

We dance to avoid to evade as we got nothing to provide . . . . Who needs substance - dancing is easier to do then actually most anything else . . . . . .

cause we're dancing............ Dancing............. DANCING................ we're a dancing machine . . . . . . ooo LOOK something shiny . . . . .

  • "Our theme song" - by (mdonelly, turbocharger and the Cronies)

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[-] -2 points by DKAtoday (33169) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

[-] 0 points by mdonelly (413) from Mineola, NY 0 minutes ago

Did you learn to dance and sing with Sanders at an AIPAC gathering?

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2nd track: (When one has nothing)

We throw specious aspersions as we have nothing else to say.

  • by (mdonelly & turbocharger - harmonizing)

10th track: (Tossing Shit)

As We have nothing to back-up our stated positions (opt-out fiction) - We will do our best to throw it back on ( put a lie on) any who would ask for details of our non-existent action plans (Ya know......those who put the lie to our bullshit - "who shine the light on our bullshit").

The putdown we use on others is simple - and with it in play - we then retreat - to our constant tactic of providing nothing while saying much (politi-speak).

Tossing shit - we love it.

  • by (mdonelly & turbocharger - harmonizing - the Cronies singing back-up)

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[-] -2 points by DKAtoday (33169) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

[-] 0 points by mdonelly (416) from Mineola, NY 2 minutes ago

The full schedule for the Left Forum has just come out. View it here.

http://www.leftforum.org/content/conference-schedule-400-panels-and-events

When you attend the AIPAC dinners, do you have difficulty eating the broccoli when it is cooked al dente? You should ask them to put it a blender for you. Take heart! A lot of people who want to vote for a candidate in one of the two corrupted parties have the same problem, so you are not alone.

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12th track: (Hiding in plain sight) "Also known as trying to hide in the light"

We get really strident with this - when we feel we need to reapply shredded cover

All it requires - is - enough expressed vitriol for the system in general - and many will believe you mean it - while one need not provide any supporting substance.

(part 2)

When the 1st part is not enough we also love to pretend to support protest and things (whatever is handy) - helps to throw off suspicion.

  • by (mdonelly & turbocharger - harmonizing - the Cronies singing back-up)
[-] 2 points by mdonelly (324) from Mineola, NY 2 years ago

The modus operandi that you deploy reminds me of some of the many methods that the neocons used, and hence...why we are here....

[-] -2 points by DKAtoday (33169) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

[-] 1 points by mdonelly (431) from Mineola, NY 12 minutes ago

The modus operandi that you deploy reminds me of some of the many of the methods that the neocons used, and hence...why we are here....

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Ready to start tearing into that GOP ? I mean you know "the" home of the neocons.

A Fraternity of Failure: Paul Krugman On How Neocon Ideology Rewards Being Wrong Krugman argues, quite convincingly, that Bush's inability to articulate a coherent position on Iraq - or the economy - is due to the fact that the GOP establishment, still held captive by the neoconservative ... Iraq war was …

Funny though neocon fits you.

10th track: (Tossing Shit)

As We have nothing to back-up our stated positions (opt-out fiction) - We will do our best to throw it back on ( put a lie on) any who would ask for details of our non-existent action plans (Ya know......those who put the lie to our bullshit - "who shine the light on our bullshit").

The putdown we use on others is simple - and with it in play - we then retreat - to our constant tactic of providing nothing while saying much (politi-speak).

Tossing shit - we love it.

  • by (mdonelly & turbocharger - harmonizing - the Cronies singing back-up)
[-] -1 points by DKAtoday (33169) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Which process?

[-] 3 points by windyacres (1197) 2 years ago

the process you describe in your paragraph above mine, the process you stated in all caps

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (33169) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

No The People Are Not Currently In Control Of The Process Of Government.

The few Very Wealthy people and corp(se)oRATions (faux people) are very nearly in total control of the process.

[-] 2 points by windyacres (1197) 2 years ago

All of us with Occupy want to change that fact but we aren't getting closer for some reason. What method do you believe we should try next?

[-] -2 points by DKAtoday (33169) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

[-] 1 points by windyacres (1081) 1 minute ago

All of us with Occupy want to change that fact but we aren't getting closer for some reason. What method do you believe we should try next?

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Achieving unity and voting out of office the very active evil (state and federal) - that means making a start - not only identifying that evil but also forwarding replacements that are for the people the constitution the environment for equality for all.

Supporting initiatives like the 50 state Move To Amend movement.

Protest is good - but it can't be empty - issues that the people need to support and oppose need to be forefront of the protests. People who are working against us must be identified to the public and their voting records made accessible to the public for verification (it is not what someone says that counts - it is what they do). The people must be made aware of alternatives to vote for - this has got to be part of the protest process. If the minorities ever got united in Baltimore (just an example - one example) they could own the ballot box - and so own the electoral process - and so elect people who are one of them and are not of the overlord sector of WASP/bigoted/clan origin. This is where it starts = in the states - owning local government and having control over those sent to the federal government from the states.

I do not see how else the job gets done.

One of Occupy's stated goals has always been the establishment of Direct Participatory Democracy.

[-] 3 points by windyacres (1197) 2 years ago

I agree that identifying evil is the first step, then forwarding replacements. The replacements shouldn't be to first identify certain people or groups, to fight evil we must use Love. Together using democracy, people identify with fairness and those few, simple, issues should be where we choose to agree. First, stop evil. Next, establish justice. At this point Love should dominate our policies that allow life to continue as our daily struggle, but evolving at the same time so progress can continue. Evil will return if justice is not established and applies to every person without exception..

[-] -2 points by DKAtoday (33169) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

And - so - as six sigma states - the process must be owned - not part of the process - but - the whole process - and not by a very few people - but by all of the people. The foundation and framework are already in place - it just takes the people to stand up and take charge. Part of that is the people need to be responsible to the issues and not devoted to a party. The people need to look at government and see who is supporting them and who is working against them. The ones working against them need to be removed from office and the ones that support them need to be brought on board to solidly present the peoples issues. While this is going on the people need to bring forward the issues and present their stance on them and have the representatives that support them support their stance on the issue and work with the other representatives of the people to pull together in solid support. That is how government is supposed to work = by of and for the people.

[-] 2 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 2 years ago

we all work for money

some have so much money that they determine what people will do to get it

the market economy is a sham when sources have a significantly larger reserve of money in comparison to those that must work for them

i heard someone crashed a car worth $300,000

I won't see that much money over 20 years

[-] 2 points by windyacres (1197) 2 years ago

It seems clear to me though that the process has been taken over and is being used by evil people. Evil people intent on deceiving as many as possible while consolidating control. Revolutionary, radical, action needs to take place by the using democracy! I don't see any other power left to try, voting together is our only hope. Forget who the candidates are until we create our interview questions, then interview those who are aware of what we expect and insist upon.

[-] 6 points by elf3 (3721) 2 years ago

http://www.magpictures.com/thequeenofversailles/

I wasn't once a modest income individual...I still am and yet I still managed to maintain my moral compass...one that tells me I will never deserve the right to be a total dick...no matter what I accumulate, lose, or have worked for. I will never stick my dick in the face of another human and demand they respect and come to terms with the deranged perspective that gives me the gall to ever think I have earned the right to do this and demand than another endure it. ?...

And when sane people cross the paths of these types we must never ever allow ourselves to cross the threshold of their reality...we must never ever pretend we see the emporers clothing...it is our duty to call the insanity into the open, to point it out and to shame them...or we may be accused in our dereliction and failure to be humans capable of discerning decency, humanity, and compassion for our fellow beings....whatever ends are at stake...employment, finances, family, and whatever must be risked.. we must...because to go along with it is to endorse it, to give it credence, to warp our very moral fabric to fit their monsterous lunacy.

Add to that wasted shells of flesh...I had to stop watching the film because I felt sick knowing our society allows/ enables this entitlement and greed to exist.

[-] 4 points by windyacres (1197) 2 years ago

If enough people had your courage and spirit, we would have enough leaders to win this revolution. Never, ever pretend we see the emporers clothing, point it out and call it out!

[-] 4 points by elf3 (3721) 2 years ago

It doesn't take courage to point out injustice...it does however take strenght and stamina to resist it and to resist being part of it. We all need to eat...but we have to start evaluating what we will do to feed ourselves. How far do I put myself first and at what cost? These are the questions society is forgetting to ask nowadays. Propaganda is preaching the me first survival of fittest mantra...and can't you just feel it lately...the masses seem to be swallowing it. Every man for himself...parking spaces, spot in line, limited resource ...let the door slam behind us shift? We have to recognize it and prevent this because ultimately we aren't going to want to live in that kind of world...and it isn't a world I would want for my kids either if I had them. Every now and then I see humanity find their spirit of generosity again...it is still there stronger than the constructed greed the one percent is pushing...people want to do good. But as the climate and culture offers more and more justification not too...and more and more people adopt it..I see a bad moon on the rise.

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[-] -1 points by DKAtoday (33169) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

[-] 3 points by windyacres (1173) 8 hours ago

As more and more people recognize that Justice doesn't really exist, desperate people are not the only ones to steal or cheat. It extends and permeates to society and I also see a bad moon rising.

History was known to the people that wrote our Constitution and they were not confused about the rich living under a different justice than the poor. They could see where that would eventually lead and wrote the first sentence of the Constitution, the very first proclamation, was the understanding that together we must establish justice. If Equal Justice For All was not established, we will live in a world like the other animals on the planet. Now, money and connections trump justice and we can expect more cheating, stealing, and survival of the fittest mentality instead of evolving into a species striving to become a loving spirit.

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[EDIT] If 2/3rd's of the public didn't opt out - then TPTB could not own the elections by their spending alone.

EDIT-> Further: If nearly half of the voting public didn't vote for those who are solidly against them - the 2/3rds who have opted out wouldn't be needed to keep the money choices out of office.

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[-] 2 points by windyacres (1197) 2 years ago

Sorry for being negative. I see both happening at the same time. More control from the top, and more awakening from the bottom. I will choose to be positive as I continue to hope that Love finally wins over evil.

[-] -2 points by DKAtoday (33169) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

[-] 2 points by mdonelly (442) from Mineola, NY 5 hours ago

Your passionate comment accurately points out many of the reasons how we got to be here. It brings to my mind Ghandi's simple quote, "Be the change that you wish to see in the World." Our revolution starts with ourselves, how we treat people, and in our everyday lives. And I do disagree with people who think; "..a bad moon[is] on the rise," rather I see an awakening, and more people using their time and energy to make a difference. We're on the mend...

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12th track: (Hiding in plain sight) "Also known as trying to hide in the light"

We get really strident with this - when we feel we need to reapply shredded cover

All it requires - is - enough expressed vitriol for the system in general - and many will believe you mean it - while one need not provide any supporting substance.

(part 2)

When the 1st part is not enough we also love to pretend to support protest and things (whatever is handy) - helps to throw off suspicion.

  • by (mdonelly & turbocharger - harmonizing - the Cronies singing back-up)
[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (33169) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

So. Is that how they are helping to finance it all now?

You've heard about us - you have probably hated us - now you can get the movie and help finance us.

[-] 2 points by elf3 (3721) 2 years ago

Wouldn't surprise me ...but I think the filmakers sought to expose them...they didn't have to try too hard as the subjects lack awareness that others would view this not with envy but disgust. They may be unintentional dicks...but in my book a dick is a dick. Ignorance is no excuse though I suspect they may know and hold no shame.

Also if a multi- millionaire confesses on camera to doing something illegal monetarily to help elect a president ..is that not worthy of an investigation or oversight?

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33169) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

[-] 2 points by elf3 (3541) 16 minutes ago

Which brings in a very good question...guilt by association? One we all face when we choose our own associations...jobs, purcgases of goods...401ks...stocks...dealings ...etc. and the list could be long. Even the poor nanny here in this film? At what point does meeting our ends justify the dirty tainted money we take and make to survive?

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I don't know what the nannies story is - so I don't know what to say about her situation. All I do know is what little I remember about those two from when they were all over the news "shows".

[-] 2 points by elf3 (3721) 2 years ago

The nanny was shown to draw the gross disparity/ gap between the two worlds...she was trying to take care of her kids back in the her homeland mired in poverty...to give them a leg up...but also in my mind it did bring in the question of the association and sacrifices to do that. What associations are justified to give ourselves and family a way up...it was interesting. Because in no way could you not feel compassion for this nanny...nor that she was guilty of taking their money at least as far as I watched...but it points to a much larger societal problem because we are all sort of forced to partake in this dirty/ tainted monopoly game and to affiliate and rely on greedy dirty people to get by.

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (33169) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Their life choices were (are) pretty sick - but the film makers no doubt made money off of it and had a financial agreement with those two seriously messed up narcissists. No doubt they get some money off of the residuals as well.

[-] 2 points by elf3 (3721) 2 years ago

Which brings in a very good question...guilt by association? One we all face when we choose our own associations...jobs, purcgases of goods...401ks...stocks...dealings ...etc. and the list could be long. Even the poor nanny here in this film? At what point does meeting our ends justify the dirty tainted money we take and make to survive?

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (33169) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

[-] 1 points by windyacres (1097) 0 minutes ago

It seems clear to me though that the process has been taken over and is being used by evil people. Evil people intent on deceiving as many as possible while consolidating control. Revolutionary, radical, action needs to take place by the using democracy! I don't see any other power left to try, voting together is our only hope. Forget who the candidates are until we create our interview questions, then interview those who are aware of what we expect and insist upon.

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I think we have plenty of questions to be asked - plenty of public issues to be forwarded - and I think we could approach them as something that a candidate signs on to - though as a binding legal contract. That should get the ball rolling.

So - Yes:

Revolutionary - adjective

of, pertaining to, characterized by, or of the nature of a revolution, or a sudden, complete, or marked change

Revolution - noun

a sudden, complete or marked change in something

Radical - adjective

of or going to the root or origin; fundamental: a radical difference

Action - noun 1. the process or state of acting or of being active: The machine is not in action now. 2. something done or performed; act; deed.

The system has not been completely taken over - or - we would not be having this conversation.

[-] 2 points by windyacres (1197) 2 years ago

The corrupt process is sophisticated enough to allow this conversation. Candidates would interview very simple issues that will not divide us, otherwise the revolution fails. Once the process is altered to allow complete accountability, even elect alternates to replace a representative that takes actions against the people's wishes. The Bill of Rights would become more understood as would the problem with democracy which is Tyranny of the Majority.

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (33169) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Tyranny of the majority - hmmmmm - could that be worse than the tyranny of the very few over the vast majority of the population - that we now have?

When all of the people have a say - doesn't that defeat tyranny?

Tyranny of the majority - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia The phrase "tyranny of the majority" (or "tyranny of the masses"), used in discussing systems of democracy and majority rule, involves the scenario in which decisions ...

I mean - is this not where personal freedoms are given the utmost consideration and support/defense?

For instance - should marijuana be legal?

Is'nt that a personal choice issue and right?

Shouldn't marijuana be made legal for all uses and in the recreational category - shouldn't it be regulated similarly as alcohol or tobacco?

The people have got to defend personal rights for all or they disappear - except perhaps for a entitled few - and NO we do not want to continue the program that some people are above the law or are so very extra special than the rest of us.

Where personal rights disappear - is where those rights infringe upon the freedoms rights safety and well being of others. Right? Such as strip mining. Someone is making money off of that - but in doing it they are not taking care of the surrounding environment and are polluting the air land and water for miles around - poisoning wild life as well as human life in surrounding areas. That is a personal right of business that should not exist or be allowed. But now the TPP would have it be the other way around and the surrounding area should have no right to get in the way of profits/business.

[-] 2 points by windyacres (1197) 2 years ago

Tyranny of any kind is bad. The tyranny of the few that now exists was not conceived with the advent of democracy. Tyranny of the majority can occur with democracy and have terrible results, thus the Bill of Rights, etc.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33169) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

And that is why the people - all of the people must get involved and stay involved - right now we are living in tyranny and we need not be - if we were to stand together and end it. That is where protecting to the best of our ability everyone's personal rights and freedoms as being absolutely equal.

The restraint for any activity (right freedom) would come from how it could/would affect others.

Civilization must have protections for civilization - so that everyone has the same opportunity at (access to) a healthy peaceful and prosperous life.

[-] 1 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 2 years ago

ultimately, people decide what they will do

no law can change their will

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[-] -2 points by DKAtoday (33169) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

[-] 1 points by mdonelly (404) from Mineola, NY 5 minutes ago

If we think the corrupted electoral process will bring us to nirvana, we should work on building a strong third-party alternative. Can we discuss this further at the Left Forum, May 29 - June 1st.. high school kids FREE with ID?

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If the people who believed in the tenants of their chosen party actually made their representatives support those tenants - what need would we have for a third party?

The whole issue comes down to the people owning the system and it does not matter how many parties there are. What matters is owning the process and making corrections where it has gone wrong. Six Sigma I believe was posted on the subject.

[-] 2 points by windyacres (1197) 2 years ago

Can the people own the system now or has it been corrupted to a point that requires a revolution to alter the process? It appears to many of us that the system will not be allowed to be owned by the people.

[-] -1 points by DKAtoday (33169) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Revolution does not necessarily mean what most people take it to mean - as in it is not necessarily armed revolt - it can also be revolt at the poles to elect the peoples choice and not the machines offering - or other actions as well

[-] 2 points by windyacres (1197) 2 years ago

Armed revolt is out, voting is in but the media and the control of the political process creates divisions and unfortunately apathy. Voting Together is our only hope.

[-] 3 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 2 years ago

acting together is what must be done/ or not done

or actions dictate our lives not voting

[-] 1 points by windyacres (1197) 2 years ago

Agreed, acting together, and our actions dictate our lives. Voting is an action, and actions dictate our lives. Voting could be the most dictating action taken in our lives.

[-] 2 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 2 years ago

voting is not action

at best, voting decide what we will do

but I already decide what I will do

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (33169) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

[-] 1 points by windyacres (1108) 4 minutes ago

Armed revolt is out, voting is in but the media and the control of the political process creates divisions and unfortunately apathy. Voting Together is our only hope.

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Agreed - and the internet word of mouth as well as the regular word of mouth is our best tool to get past the MSM roadblock right now - but also - anyone can buy commercial time - and that might be a consideration as the peoples strength in unity grows.

[-] 2 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 2 years ago

tpp sounds like a justification for war on countries that don't follow their "contract"

healthcare should be open to the people

this is not a workers fort the man only world system

if i people do not comply about international ownership of the land they live on

that is not a reason to bomb them

[-] 1 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 2 years ago

isn't the Tpp the excuse we use to abuse countries caught in an abusive contract

legal or not ttp can';t make abuse right

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (33169) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

From what anyone has been able to see of the text of TPP.

TPP is set on the course of handing over suzerainty to the corp(se)oRATions. To bypass laws that protect workers that protect the environment that protect access to health care - by making everything subject to the corp(se)oRATion - if it hinders the Corp(se)oRATion in any way in how it operates and so limitis that corp(se)oRATion's profits - they can sue for those lost profits the country that is denying them their profits and it all takes place in a World corp(se)oRAT Kangaroo Court - where the corp(se)oRATions decide what is to be done.

So yeah - the TPP would be making abuse of the environment and of living people legal and legally unassailable.

[-] 1 points by windyacres (1197) 2 years ago

Agree social media will be very significant, i think the key will be to limit the issues and prioritizing them for the purpose of using democracy. All we need is to get the most votes! Getting the most votes must take absolute preference, period! How do we focus on the priorities we mostly agree on without muzzling those who consider a minor issue to be a major one, therefore dividing us.

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (33169) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Passage of TPP and fast tracking it will make many laws and regulations for controlling business and protecting our environment as well as our personal rights MOOT. So that would be currently My top priority. And in educating the public of why this trade deal should be defeated is in the fact of how it will affect everyone's rights/lives. How the TPP would make the EPA irrelevant and the same with the FDA and would make labor law irrelevant and and and

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[-] -2 points by DKAtoday (33169) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

[-] 1 points by turbocharger (1756) 5 hours ago

It also states that when there is a problem you shut the whole thing down and do whatever it takes to fix the problem that is causing the symptom.

FYI even the people that set up the Constitution didn't follow it, I think we both agree on that. Its been a nice feel good piece for the people since day one. I highly doubt that you want the government to start following the constitution, as most all of government would be eliminated.

So at the root, why is it that seemingly decent people go into this current set up and almost instantly turn into either A) total sell outs or B) total shitheads?

I agree with you on "replace all the sell outs and shitheads" aspect of things. 99% of people agree with that, from all sides of the political spectrum.

So we then come to the real challenge: How? What is the process for finding decent people and giving them the best chance to be successful.

This is where from my perspective, putting people under the same umbrella of leadership is just setting them up for failure. And until the people can pull off that very simple task in the grand scheme of how this thing was set up, we will continue to spin our wheels.

I don't believe you can put anyone through a career under that leadership and not end up with a compromised soul. Politics is nasty enough as it is, without 100 years of corruption, deals and lord knows what else to have to take into consideration.

Is the people simply creating their own groups and fundraising mechanisms that far fetched?

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But nowhere in six sigma - does it ever state that you divorce yourself from the process - *NO IT STATES FIRMLY THAT YOU ALWAYS ARE IN CONTROL OF THE PROCESS! - THAT YOU MUST REMAIN IN CONTROL OF THE PROCESS - IN CONTROL OF EVERY SEGMENT OF THE PROCESS AND MONITOR IT AND MAKE CORRECTIONS AS ERRORS APPEAR IN THE SEGMENTS OF THE PROCESS THAT THE ERRORS ARISE

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[-] -2 points by DKAtoday (33169) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

[-] -1 points by turbocharger (1756) 2 minutes ago

If you think that your strategy is giving you control you are simply too brainwashed to be of help at this point. Sorry.

But do be glad you never went to anything occupy related while it was happening. You wouldnt have lasted long with your condescending attitude.

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10th track: (Tossing Shit)

As We have nothing to back-up our stated positions (opt-out fiction) - We will do our best to throw it back on ( put a lie on) any who would ask for details of our non-existent action plans (Ya know......those who put the lie - "to shine the light" - on our bullshit).

The putdown we use on others is simple - and with it in play - we then retreat - to our constant tactic of providing nothing while saying much (politi-speak).

Tossing shit - we love it.

  • by (mdonelly & turbocharger - harmonizing - the Cronies singing back-up)