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Forum Post: The 99% needs Family Farms. Please Support them. No Farms, No Food!

Posted 1 year ago on Jan. 23, 2013, 2:28 p.m. EST by inclusionman (7064)
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[-] 4 points by gnomunny (6614) from St Louis, MO 1 year ago

With Monsatan doing their level best to destroy the world's food supply, this is an important issue.

Here's the intro to the book 'Rebuilding the Foodshed.' Looks to me like a very informative book:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/125512252/Foreword-Rebuilding-the-Foodshed

[-] 3 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

Without a doubt it IS an informative book.

He is a visionary & a great soldier forthe needs ofthe 99%.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rr_b6ZW8zVM

[-] 1 points by gnomunny (6614) from St Louis, MO 1 year ago

Thanks. I'll try to check out that YT interview. Not sure it'll run tho. Having computer problems.

[-] 2 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

Good luck.

Here's something on "food deserts".

http://www.metro.us/newyork/entertainment/2013/02/27/tom-colicchio-talks-about-a-place-at-the-table/

I'm sure you know, but when people have only packaged, process foods available, no fresh fruits & vegetables, ads pushing fast food/processed crap & very little info pushing fresh food you get unhealthy, obese, people.

Ending that obscenity must become a high priority.

[-] 1 points by gnomunny (6614) from St Louis, MO 1 year ago

I've been learning some about the unhealthy aspects of modern foods recently. It's pretty shocking. It's not just Monsanto, but the whole industry is at fault. I agree it needs to be a high priority.

[-] 3 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

Honored to have another soldier in the fight for healthy food/people.

[-] 1 points by gnomunny (6614) from St Louis, MO 1 year ago

Thank you. This is indeed a high-priority issue, imo. Aside from our very important fight in returning our government to the people, the state of affairs in our present food industry is highly troubling. They're literally poisoning us. On a positive note, it's something every one of us can do something about immediately, by becoming informed buyers, checking the labels, and eating healthy. And definitely supporting small independent farmers

Death to Big Ag!

[-] 2 points by gnomunny (6614) from St Louis, MO 1 year ago

A very important article and subject. I've witnessed firsthand the destruction of countless farms due to the explosive growth of suburbia in outlying regions of STL prior to the bubble bursting. This is without a doubt one of the most important issues at hand, the reclaiming of our food supply.

Definitely worth a comment and a bump due to the magnitude of this very serious problem. Peace.

[-] 3 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

I guess you couldn't comment without a hateful insult.

i suppose in STL that's progress.

Look around, I bump/comment numerous important issues whenever I am here. In fact that is ALL I do!

[-] 0 points by gnomunny (6614) from St Louis, MO 1 year ago

Ah, lighten up, it wasn't that bad, was it? At least I didn't stinkle any of your comments here. It could've been worse. But if it would make you feel better, I take back to shameless comment. Hey, I'll even edit it out.

How's that?

[-] 3 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

Heroic! But I actually am light about it. I just want to contribute important info, and encourage action regarding the issues that Occupy has taken a stand on without the insults.

And I will now iwinkle your welcomed comment.

[-] 0 points by gnomunny (6614) from St Louis, MO 1 year ago

And I did likewise. In fact I just twinkled three of your zeros.

Dayum! Did I just do that?

I need to go check my temperature. I might be running a fever.

[-] 4 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

LOL. This IS better.

Peace

[-] 1 points by gnomunny (6614) from St Louis, MO 1 year ago

See, man. I'm not really that bad a guy. I just have my off days, but then, don't we all?

[-] 3 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

I have bad days as well. Ain't no thing.

[-] 1 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

Monsanto rider about to pass. Another great job by the voting populace.

[-] 3 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

WE must get into the streets in massive numbers to show we are outraged.

The peoples govt has been bought by corp 1% oligarchs.

WE must take it back!

[-] 3 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

Anyone, & everyone can & should contribute to this existential issue.

http://www.urbanfarming.org/

[-] 1 points by Renneye (4004) 1 year ago

Soooooo Cool! Great video. Thank you!

Urbanfarming = Act of Love

[-] 3 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

love is a good description of it. And we need all the love we can muster.

"The only thing that stops a bad guy with hate, is a good guy with love"

(or something like that.)

[-] 2 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago
[-] 2 points by Renneye (4004) 1 year ago

Thanks kindly, Iman! Family farms are critical to protect...especially now that Monsanto is building a $400 Million expansion for more of their Frankenstein laboratory experiments!

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/monsanto-announces-400-million-st-153000584.html

[-] 1 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

Well maybe centralized we could have a concentrated protest direct action.

Imagine a million souls demanding an end to GMO, subsidized big Agri, against the foodopoly.

Anyway, I think that could make a difference.

[-] 1 points by gnomunny (6614) from St Louis, MO 1 year ago

Bookmarked for future reference.

[-] 0 points by redandbluestripedpill (333) 1 year ago

Yer right about that. ART5 will be needed to restructure banking so new sustainable culture with many family farms can establish. There are millions of young people that can't find jobs that are ready to assure they have food and a place to be by joining collective family farms. The corporate picture is dimming for many.

Those trapped in corporate service, know that the mothership battlestar corporation is or may be sheparding some environmental disaster and the more they learn of the corporation the more they want to leave it. But gee, no financing for things like that.

[-] 1 points by gnomunny (6614) from St Louis, MO 1 year ago

Well, ART5 could be handy for that, but there's other ways to restructure banks so they can better serve the local communities. Here's LeoYo's post that covers something pertinent:

http://occupywallst.org/forum/why-is-socialism-doing-so-darn-well-in-deep-red-no/

Sounds good to me.

[-] 3 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

Good advice of course. As well as protests, petitions, and any other non violent tactic we can think of.

[-] -2 points by redandbluestripedpill (333) 1 year ago

Excellent example; "In 1919, the Non-Partisan League, a vibrant populist organization, won a majority in the legislature and voted the bank into existence. The goal was to free North Dakota farmers from impoverishing debt dependence on the big banks in the Twin Cities, Chicago and New York"

ND was fortunate in 1919. With the success there proving the idea as justification, a way might be found to use ART5 to see proposed amendments make such economic structures mandatory in each state.

[-] 2 points by quantumystic (1710) from Memphis, TN 1 year ago

disband the corporate farms put 45 million americans to work using the principals of permaculture across this nation. unemployment problem solved.

[-] 2 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

I'm not against that.

[-] 3 points by quantumystic (1710) from Memphis, TN 1 year ago

only a fool would be. that and put people to work building autonomous buildings and retrofitting existing structures with green technology. build a 21st century interstate high speed rail system. it's like we are stuck in the mud the only thing we do is war.

[-] 2 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

And upgrade electric grid w/ smart tech.

We ARE stuck in mud because obstruction of much of this effort continues.

Somethings got to give.

[-] 0 points by peacehurricane (293) 1 year ago

Lacking interest does indicate how well people understand that they are what they eat. My grandparents on both sides were full time farmers so family farming is nothing new to me though not until later adult years have I come to appreciate the importance of eating fresh fruits and vegetables. There is much good news on this front here in the northwest as it is really going on in the schools and community gardens well all over hang in there help comes...

[-] 2 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

Change in schools would be a profound change. If the NW has achieved that it is momentous. Kudos to you guys. We'll have to follow your lead.

[-] 1 points by peacehurricane (293) 1 year ago

Yes volunteers are helping them learn where food comes from. Starting with the dirt to table and expanding it into all life circumstances as harmonic associations for larger lessons and the hands on approach is having great effect with the kids. All the technology has left them bored and anything else excites them. That last bit is my personal perspective. There has also started school using mother nature and outdoors and it grows because the kids are so responsive and the parents also so impressed with results.

[-] 2 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

Sounds perfect. I'll look for news on that.

[-] 1 points by Kavatz (464) from Edmonton, AB 1 year ago

The 99% Conglomerate will be turning its focus on farmers markets in the near future, in an attempt to attract family farms and hobbyist-entrepreneurs.

There is no corporation I personally HATE more than Monsanto. I love farms. I love good fresh food. I grew up in a garden and ate everything right out of the ground, even with the dirt on it, from asparagus to you name it. I remember pulling onions, carrots and other goodies, wiping them in the grass to get them clean, and storing them in my various forts to snack on while playing. Those are some of my favorite memories. I can't stand by and watch corporations like Monsanto fuck it all up. Can you?

Do me a favor. Help me build community and get this thing off the ground. I'll keep trying to get people here to join, one at a time.

Anyway, good post. We need to support family farms like never before and work to cripple the corporations that harm them.

[-] 4 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

Act globally, eat locally.

[-] 0 points by Kavatz (464) from Edmonton, AB 1 year ago

Copy that, a little tricky where the ground is frozen over half the year though.

[-] 2 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

Hothouse/greenhouse indoor urban farming in highrise buildings?

http://www.verticalfarm.com/

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[-] 1 points by PublicCurrency (1387) 1 year ago

Also, try to grow food - even inside on a window ledge. You could place a glass shelf inside a window and grow alot of delicious salad greens and herbs. Sprouts can be grown inside, too.

Support Local food !

Try to create public garden spaces!

Raise chickens - delicious eggs . . .

[-] 2 points by PublicCurrency (1387) 1 year ago

Freshly harvested vegetables and fruits are rich in enzymes and the flavor is incomparable. Also, by growing your own - you know what goes onto them. You can choose rich compost over synthetic fertilizer.

[-] 3 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

It is the only way to combat the food corps poisoning the people.

WE must actively provide our own fresh food. It is a form of boycotting.

And it can grow quickly and be a powerful weapon against big agri.

[-] 1 points by Nevada5 (8) 1 year ago

Good Post

[-] 3 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

Thx

[-] 0 points by redandbluestripedpill (333) 1 year ago

Duh!

[-] 3 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

You think supporting family/local farming is too obvious to post and discuss?

What if I added Art5 option. Would that interest you more?

[-] -1 points by redandbluestripedpill (333) 1 year ago

Through ART5 the facts you present can be made to have the meaning they deserve because proper preparation will end the abridging of free speech.

There is such of thing as so much compulsive echoing of problems that solutions cannot be heard. Do not fall into that trap the the cognitive infiltration models and demos for us by spending all the time on problems.

I know you are also into direct democracy, but without ART5 authority, we cannot effect that,

[-] 3 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

Clearly we can do nothing without your Art5 proposal.

No direct democracy, and no 'compulsive echoing of problems'- Does that mean no discussion of problems?

Sounds like we need your Art5 proposal implemented!!

When are you gonna be done implementing you Art5 proposal, we gotta work on serious problems.

[-] -1 points by redandbluestripedpill (333) 1 year ago

It is our ART5 proposal. To say "your" encourages a cognitive error.

Did you do that on purpose?

When many problems are solved by the same solution, problems to implementing the solution are the logically correct discussion.

The problems are not left out, they are carried in discussion by generalizations to LATER get specific when opportunity to propose amendment of ART5 is present.

A person with a specific cause in mind, for example direct democracy on a national level, can properly say, "we need ART5 now and preparatory amendment that ends the abridging of free speech is VITAL to proper opinion forming."

It is logical and proper for each person with whatever specific problem they seek to solve, to work for ART5 and create an environment where verified (by us) accurate info empowers democracy.

[-] 2 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

Yeah sure, whatever you say. but it ain't my proposal, i don't know what your babbling about half the time.

But it's clearly YOUR proposal. And you have made it clear that all other efforts are useless, you go so for as to indicate that to discuss problems outside the context of your Art5 proposal isa waste.

So fine. Nothing is useful; but your Art5. I get it. So get it fuckin done.

So we can resolve the problems we face.

How is it going? Are you gettin close? Is there a schedule?

[-] -1 points by redandbluestripedpill (333) 1 year ago

Hmm, maybe you are not American. Sorry my mistake. ART5 is part of the US constitution, it is not my idea.

ART5 will require something that looks a lot like direct democracy, and really is, but exclusive to the convention. Uh, how would I get that done?

[-] 3 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

I AM American, I know the constitution, & I know you spend every waking hour here pushing an Art5 proposal.

If you aren't working to get it done, then it ain't gonna happen. If you don't know how to get it done then it ain't gonna happen.

What happened? I thought you had it all figured out? Didn't you say no efforts were worthwhile unless Art5 was done 1st, Even discussion of problems is a waste unless it is in the context of Art5.

Now you ask "how would I get that done"? and claim it ain't your proposal?

Who's proposal is it? Is it gettin close? Is there a schedule for completion?

[-] 0 points by redandbluestripedpill (333) 1 year ago

Without the sprit of "alter or abolish", you are an American in name only.

[-] 3 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

Can we avoid making this personal about me? I AM an American because I was born here.

Can you answer my questions.

Who's Art5 proposal is it? Is it gettin close? Is there a schedule for completion?

[-] 0 points by redandbluestripedpill (333) 1 year ago

All states have Americans that understand the law and how we can use it to "alter or abolish", so they are working against the misleading the elite have created to prevent alteration of the tyrannical secret structure they created.

Pretending a schedule is important is not good strategy to oppose the intent to "alter or abolish".

[-] 3 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

Who is asking you to pretend. Just trying to judge how long you expect we must avoid fighting for change, or even discussing problems.

You did it was a waste of time to do these things until the Art5 proposal was completed didn't you.?

[-] 0 points by redandbluestripedpill (333) 1 year ago

Misrepresenting what I've said shows an intent to confuse. ART5 is the ultimate lawful tool for solving problems because the congress and courts have no authority over the states of citizens taking action.

We need to fight with an effective tool, which strangely you fail to support.

[-] 4 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

I support you. Go you!!!

But if you don't mind I'm also gonna support many other efforts to improve the lives of the 99% as well.

I hope you do well.

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

[-] 2 points by redandbluestripedpill (278) 4 minutes ago

Resenting my use of historical law, social contract to defend rights and freedom is something the elite would approve of.

In fact they would pay people (yes,they got the$) to pretend resentment in an effort to mislead others into rejecting the only legal tool that can stop them. ↥twinkle ↧stinkle permalink

That's a cognitive distortion if ever seen. Then attempt to move the conversation that does not contain your prior remarks.

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

Is this you desperately trying to cover your ass?

[-] 0 points by redandbluestripedpill (275) 59 minutes ago

If the right to "alter or abolish" is not used, then violent revolt is the only possible way to remain free.

I know the elite want people to think otherwise. ↥twinkle ↧stinkle reply permalink

[-] 2 points by redandbluestripedpill (333) 1 year ago

Resenting my use of historical law, social contract to defend rights and freedom is something the elite would approve of.

In fact they would pay people (yes,they got the$) to pretend resentment in an effort to mislead others into rejecting the only legal tool that can stop them.

[-] 0 points by redandbluestripedpill (333) 1 year ago

Cognitively inconsistent post. The constitution covers EXACTLY what I say with authority empowering lawful, peaceful revolution.

The constitution covers all asses except those treasonous to it. They are treated as criminals.

[-] 0 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 1 year ago

Currently there is a major trend underway in Iowa farmland ownership. We are ... In 2007, 28 percent of Iowa's farmland was owned by people over the age of 75

[-] 2 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

Wow.

[-] 0 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 1 year ago

Inheritance works that way

[-] 3 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

guess so.

[-] 0 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 1 year ago

yep

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 1 year ago

People have gathered in the cities. I think people must like people. The farmland needs to be tapped for food if the people are to eat. The question becomes

can the people create an efficient system on a large scale to benefit themselves ?

[-] 0 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

Shameless bumping.

[-] 2 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

no fams no food.

http://newyork.farmland.org/

Just a bump up.

[-] 2 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

Thank you. The farm issue doesn't seem to engender much interest.

[-] -1 points by DKAtoday (26307) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Forward it onto social media for wider circulation.

[-] -1 points by frovikleka (2563) from Island Heights, NJ 1 year ago

I remember meeting a couple of farmers at Zuccotti/Libert Park back in Oct of 2011. They were decked out in their over-alls, and flannel shirts, and i was amazed to hear they had come there all the way from the mid-west

I can't remember exactly why they were there, but it was something to do with the government passing laws that were very detrimental to them, and they were pissed

~Odin~

[-] 4 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

As well they should be! Our govt is owned by big Ag, & big chemical. We subsidies unhealthy food and ignore family farms and healthy fruits & vegetables.

We have much work to do.

[-] -2 points by frovikleka (2563) from Island Heights, NJ 1 year ago

You're right on all counts there, and i think one of the best ways to support these businesses is by going to farm markets

We talked about this before when we.... errrr... I was Odin & you were VQkag2....lol* My we do do back aways eh??

Once when the Occupiers were in Union Square, I ran over to the farmers market there and got a gallon of apple cider for their food table

~Odin~

[-] 3 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

We've been doin farmers markets for years. (union sq & Park slope) best thing for local farmers and our health. Food coop is effective that way also.

Getting farmers markets into food deserts is a big priority as well.

[-] -1 points by frovikleka (2563) from Island Heights, NJ 1 year ago

There were some real food desserts in the Bronx back in the '90s, and they could have definitely used a farmers market

It looks like the next Occupy Town Square might be in Brooklyn

Not that anyone listens to me ;-), but I'm going to a meeting on Sunday

How is the area around the F & G Fort Hamilton subway station?

~Odin~

[-] 3 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

better every year. Gentrifying as we speak, but of course it is brooklyn so all should always watch your surroundings.

Personally I think it is a great little working class neighborhood (windsor terrace) between prospect park and greenwood cemetary.

Noy for from Park slope.

Enjoy.