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Forum Post: The 1 percent of the 1 percent: How Huguette Clark's millions were spent

Posted 12 years ago on Nov. 20, 2011, 6:33 p.m. EST by qazxsw123 (238)
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So, who I ask, is paying for the filthy rich’s use of our court system (staff/utilities/building maintenance, etc.) to fight over the billions in inheritance money? We, the working class, the taxpayers, the suckers. And who, I ask, wants to shrink the federal gov’t so that as to be so small, it can be drown in a bathtub? The people using the people’s resources (institutions) the most? Not the poor. http://openchannel.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/11/19/8905755-the-1-percent-of-the-1-percent-how-huguette-clarks-millions-were-spent



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[-] 2 points by FawkesNews (1290) 12 years ago

Occupy her never used beach estate for the winter. There may be room for thousands.


[-] 0 points by ronjj (-241) 12 years ago

And, if I read the posts on here accurately, it may also included some of the OWS themselves using the court system to find out where the bulk of the $500,000 went and who had the final say in sending a few people to Egypt which overrode the vote of the majority.

And you want to use MSNBC as your backup. I think you been in the bathtub too long.

[-] 1 points by qazxsw123 (238) 12 years ago

you are funny, ronjj: probably true my being in the bathtub too long--even though I don't do cable TV.

But the point is that OWS is not saying get rid of the gov't; unlike Mr. Perry's message to get rid of: #1 the Dept of Education #2 the Commerce Dept, and no.3, oops I forget. It is the party of the Republigangsters that wants to dismantle the entire government (if unstated, by refusing to pay their fair share of taxes), and at the same time, they and their corporate/banking/wealthy buddies use the damn gov't as if it was their private resources to referee their rich escapades.

[-] 0 points by ronjj (-241) 12 years ago

My friend Ray, thinks that MAYBE, just MAYBE, if the Federal Goverment did not have it's nose into every aspect of our lives it would not be the target of so many citizens today. Who, in the name of sanity, gave the Federal Government the right to have such a HUGH voice in the operation of my local school.

The answer is NO ONE. They just bought their way in through Federal handouts, Federal loans, Grants, Money for this and money for that. We didn't ask for their help - we just blindly took their money and didn't think there were any strings attached.

If you think "No child left behind" was the idea of any local school system - check again. It has, in effect, cut effective teaching time by at least 10-15% since implemented with very questionable results.

Don't be disillusioned, I think the Department of Education should go. If I was drowning today and called for help - they wouldn't even be able to take a sane message and pass it on. As a citizen and as an educator - they can take their money, their regulations, their crap and go back to DC, have a dismantle THAT party and find another job somewhere.

And YES YES YES this does mean they are being used. Have you checked the prices of textbooks at any educational level lately. We have huge publishing houses now combining multiple upon multiple small former publishers into conglomerates to peddle this stuff. AND, I can speak my mind now that my wife is no longer in the classroom or being asked to serve as a consultant to peddle their stuff.

WHEW, do I feel better. Wait until I tell my friend Ray at the coffee shop what I did here. He is going to have five cups of coffee instead of just three.

[-] 1 points by qazxsw123 (238) 12 years ago

I guess we disagree on what 'natural resources' mean. Or perhaps even on what 'natural rights' mean.

For me, it's simple. Every human being yearns to be (or some, just need to be):

  • housed
  • educated
  • healed
  • fed
  • defended
  • ooops I forget etc.

Which means that we need an entity to arbitrage/referee, an institution devoid of 'selfism', and dedicated to manage these finite resources, including clean air and clean water.

Hence, a department of:

  • education
  • housing
  • health
  • defense
  • Justice


[-] 0 points by ronjj (-241) 12 years ago

NO. I believe, as you do that every human being yearns to be free first and foremost from governmental tyranny from any source at any level, (free to provide housing, free to get an education or to be educated, free to provide for medical care, free to feed his-her family) I really don't believe that we yearn to provide defense from foreign powers - that is why we gave that responsibility to the Federal level. We just didn't think that we could plant the corn, fight the war, harvest the corn, fight the war and keep winning like we did. That was truly one of the great miracles of the foundation of this nation.

When you combine all these basic aspects into one broad statement this is what I hear:

Our Declaration of Independence was a declaration of two things.

  1. We wanted to be free from foreign control by a power that did not provide anything other than a token representation in decisions that affect us, and
  2. We wanted the freedom to create the departments you listed to tell us what to do, to control our activities, to make our rules, etc. and in effect, to return to the very tyranny that we fought to get rid of.

How easily we forget. How easily we return, like a dog to our vomit. RE: the Department of Education. We already, in the area of the country where I live, have an entity to arbitrage/referee the finite resources of education. The Federal control of this great right, now simply confuses our local intents, inserting its' nose, its' unlimited regulations into our business and wasting the finite resources that your want to protect. They send you a dollar and tell you exactly how to use it whether you want it, need it or not. They send you programs like "No Child Left Behind" which only left the classroom teachers behind doing all the stupid repetitive testing and endless paperwork, while the children were taught by themselves, had no school that afternoon, or were taught by an aide so that the teacher could do more paperwork for DC. to justify more money that required more paperwork and less time, teaching to the point of STUPIDITY. This is really conserving those limited resources, wouldn't you agree.

If I had the time, I could give you the same scenario for housing and health. Defense is not part of this at this time-it is one of the few responsibilities that the Federal actually has the right to lay claim to. And, we could talk ad infinitim about how well they are doing with that one too.

As my friend Ray will be saying tomorrow - send one of those ag dept specialist out here and I will bet you 100 bucks that if we take a hike through the south pasture, he will step right in a cowpattie before we get back to the truck. Man I hate to see one of them guys coming, you just know your truck ain't going to smell good when he leaves.

I took Ray up on his bet twice (at a far far lesser amount). First time he brought the "proof" into the coffee shop. Ruined everyones appetite but I paid him the $2.00. Next time I just went out to the truck and gave him $2.00. We don't bet about that topic any more.

I gotta go to bed. I have the honor of being selected to take part in a study being done by the Department of Sleep (a very limited resource these days). They are trying to determine how many hours of sleep an idiot needs to write this much just to explain a simple position such as:

 GET the Government out of my pocket and my business.  I'll keep the watch.

Good post, like, nothing personal, and thanks for readin - you can thank a teacher for that one who was NOT working under the No child left behind mandate.

[-] 1 points by qazxsw123 (238) 12 years ago

Your department of sleep is well taken since I am an insomniac and will need to schedule some sleep studies for one real soon...

From what I understand, we disagree on who/what should be responsible for carrying out those mandates (feeding, housing, educating, etc.) for the greater good of this country (state vs federal, or even state vs local). So, at least you're not opposed to the idea of having an/several entities that the people agree will do these kinds of things. Which brings us then to the idea of globalization. The US of A economy/society was globalized as every State joined the Union. Certainly economy of scale makes sense and provides greater mobility for citizens, but the drawbacks obviously lead to NCLB issues. My take on that is that regardless on the chosen structure:

  • the people must decide through genuine representation
  • the people are allowed to make mistakes and rectify through discussion/debate (the media) and elections
  • the people should strive for their citizens to be well brought up so they can govern themselves, that is, generate enough IQ resources to pick from (hence the need for fairly distributed/attributed/allocated/affordable peace, housing, schooling, etc., and all of the above for all).

As a teacher, you will agree that you need rules in your classroom to benefit most of your students--that does not necessarily lead to tyranny (I know sometimes it does, depends on ... what? who?) Again, the idea is to figure out who will make those rules (your students?), are they beneficial to most? can they be abused? enforced? rewritten?

Gotta go do this be there, the world according to my boss... these are my rules--for the time being.