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Forum Post: Tell Eric Holder US Attorney General To Enforce The Constitution Upon Congress - Criminal complaint filed against all members.

Posted 2 years ago on Feb. 18, 2012, 12:47 a.m. EST by forourfutures (393)
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This is important. Officials need to know that you know and care about congresses violations of oath and constitution by failing to convene an Article V convention.

Contact the AG here to assist in direct defense of the Constitution.

http://www.justice.gov/contact-us.html

Here are details on the legal complaint against congress to the Attorney General. This is absolutely legitimate and is based in congress having intentionally misinterpreted the constitution regarding citizens first and last right, Article V. This violation of law IS criminal.

http://www.nolanchart.com/article9376-holder-begins-criminal-investigation-regarding-article-v-convention.html

Article V is the codification of this part of the Declaration of Independence.

---That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. That whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness.

This is a fundamental action in defense of the constitution that each American citizen can take. Article V is our first and last constitutional right. If we do not use it, we will have no more rights.

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[-] 3 points by bensdad (8977) 2 years ago

"This violation of law IS criminal." What criminal law has been broken? What is the statute? What is the criminal penalty specified? What can an Article V convention do?

[-] 0 points by forourfutures (393) 2 years ago

Federal law regulating oath of office by government officials is divided into four parts along with an executive order which further defines the law for purposes of enforcement. 5 U.S.C. 3331, provides the text of the actual oath of office congressional members were required to take before assuming office.

5 U.S.C. 3333 required congress persons to sign an affidavit that you took the oath of office required by 5 U.S.C. 3331 and have not nor will violate that oath during your tenure of office as defined by the third part of the law,

5 U.S.C. 7311, which explicitly makes it a federal criminal offense for anyone employed in the United States Government to “advocate the overthrow of our constitutional form of government.”,

18 U.S.C. 1918 provides penalties for violation of oath office described in 5 U.S.C. 7311 which include: removal from office, imprisonment, and a fine.

Executive Order 10450 specifies a violation of 5 U.S.C. 7311 for any person taking the oath of office to advocate “the alteration…of the form of the government of the United States by unconstitutional means"

The definition of “advocate” is further specified in Executive Order 10450 which for purposes of enforcement supplements 5 U.S.C. 7311.

According to Executive Order 10450 (and therefore 5 U.S. 7311) any act taken by government officials who have taken the oath of office prescribed by 5 U.S.C. 3331 which alters the form of government other than by amendment, is a criminal violation of the 5 U.S.C. 7311. Such alteration without amendment is criminal violation of 5 U.S.C. 7311 and 18 U.S.C. 1918.


In 1939 the supreme court violated Executive Order 10450 specifiing a violation of 5 U.S.C. 7311

http://www.foa5c.org/file.php/1/Articles/Coleman.htm

Acts relating to campaign finance are also unconstitutional and comprise “the alteration…of the form of the government of the United States by unconstitutional means"

"We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution." - Abraham Lincoln

The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America

— That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

dad, you do not think like an American at all.

[-] 1 points by forourfutures (393) 2 years ago

dad, you just are not being accountable for your position. Remember what Lincoln said, and realize that the executive branch, altought they might temporarily create circularity by defering interpretation to congress, they will be held accountable by the people and then be acting in collusion to usurp the constitution and conceal treason against it.

Which side are you on?

[-] 2 points by Neuwurldodr (744) 2 years ago

I suppose as citizens, it is easy to sit back and call our legislative staff, "pieces of shit"...when in reality there is no other law that has precedence in this country. So are there other individuals who are not "pieces of shit" who can willingly stand up and enforce these laws correctly?

Honestly, if this is a revolution....I hope the majority of the posters on this forum dare not, ever think about leading a nation here or running for anything except the border, because they could never, ever, ever, ever, be appointed or have the qualifications other than becoming a much bigger "piece of shit" leader..!!... So, in whose hands does that leave this country??? Whoa Nelly!!!

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[-] 1 points by Coldinflorida (50) 2 years ago

This be the same holder who gave the Gangs in Mexico guns? Maybe they should send guns to congress and see who survives.

[-] 1 points by forourfutures (393) 2 years ago

Yep. Above I mention we should see how he dances before sending him to jail. You seem to imply, we could get them all dancing.

"We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution." - Abraham Lincoln

[-] 1 points by lisa (425) 2 years ago

When our govt. had John Ashcroft work on coming up with new words and phrases so they could pass the Patriot Act and use to use it against citizens of this country, people should have woken up then, that is when it began. Then Bush signed all those executive orders giving the government absolute power. How is it that the NDAA passed and nobody says anything, how is it that FEMA camps are staffed and ready to receive inmates (US civilians) and nobody notices? The country is under massive mind control or too tired from working as working class slaves.

[-] 1 points by forourfutures (393) 2 years ago

Agreed, that was the final collapse of any pretense of "constitutionality" and your point is correct, people should have seen it then, and arose against it; but, if they couldn't muster that with 9-11, not much chance of later, legal acts getting their attention.

[-] 0 points by BlackSun (275) from Agua León, BC 2 years ago

And the criminal actions by Holder ala Fast and Furious? Or the official program to ignore civil rights violations against white citizens?

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[-] 0 points by BlackSun (275) from Agua León, BC 2 years ago

Telling that piece of shit to enforce the Constitution is like telling a politician not to lie. Ain't gonna happen.

[-] 1 points by forourfutures (393) 2 years ago

That's kinda' what I thought, but hey, it IS legal process. I support it. Let them show their colors and you have to test them to know for sure.

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (28249) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Stay in touch with the process.

http://foavc.org/

[-] 0 points by FreeDiscussion4 (70) 2 years ago

Didnt Eric give guns to mexicans? Maybe he should go to jail first.

[-] 0 points by forourfutures (393) 2 years ago

Ahhhh, I think we ought to watch him dance first.

Besides, he could have been set up for that. This is a good test. Straight up good evidence. We learn how he interprets the constitution, or someone. Ha, ready for "buck passing"?

[-] 0 points by JanitorInaDrum (134) 2 years ago

he may not have handed them over personally, however, withholding thousands of documents, changing his story countless times and brazenly admits he's not fired, or brought charges against, a single soul involved in these acts

I don't know how many times the American public has to see him perjure himself before they know what time it is.

[-] 0 points by FreeDiscussion4 (70) 2 years ago

The guy driving the get away car in the bank robbery didnt personally point the gun at the teller but both should be charged the same.

[-] 0 points by JanitorInaDrum (134) 2 years ago

stop with the unbiased and logical observations lest you upset the large faction of those here who will label you a righty for wanting to politically persecute a criminal, who just happens to be black, a democrat and a criminal

[-] 0 points by FreeDiscussion4 (70) 2 years ago

I order online and received my $19.99 certificate to be logical.

[-] 0 points by JanitorInaDrum (134) 2 years ago

Keep it quiet! The last thing TPTB want is for this to become an epidemic.

[-] 0 points by JanitorInaDrum (134) 2 years ago

Can't you see that the DOJ only brings civil torts against big money criminals these days?

Besides, if he were to do his job, he'd need to prosecute himself, doncha think?

[-] 1 points by forourfutures (393) 2 years ago

I agree with all of that.

I'm not the one that made the complaint, I just support that holder do his job. I support that people have the where-with-all to see the substance of the complaint. Congress has been in violation of the oath for 100 years. I support that we have the courage to send a message to him telling him to "do his job".

My strategy is to assemble American citizens to compel their states, 3/4 of them and make a convention. We do not need congress for this nor any other federal agency.

[-] 0 points by JanitorInaDrum (134) 2 years ago

Well yeah, but, to do an A5C on the current constitution is a complete waste of time. It's all an illusion and it doesn't mean what most people think it does.

Rule out all the causes you know not to be true and what's left?

[-] 0 points by forourfutures (393) 2 years ago

The current government is not constitutional. It was not made so after the civil war.

c we have the Constitution. Unfortunately we have a massive deception ongoing. The US government has not been constitutional since 1863. It's been running on the "Lieber code", or The District of Columbia Organic Act of 1871 a private corporation named, “The District of Columbia”.

The "Lieber code" was the rules of engagement for the civil war.

British arms manufactures financed the north in the civil war and created massive debt. They exported an arms manufacturing industry to the north and provided massive funding. Civil war upon the people has been effected on this continent, through this, by the losers of the lost war. The war the Magna Carta ended.

[-] -1 points by JanitorInaDrum (134) 2 years ago

I agree

[-] 1 points by forourfutures (393) 2 years ago

:) - Wow! Agreement law and history, how functional:) -

I learned about holders crimes here. They'd probably appreciate your knowledge.

http://articlevconvention.org/forumdisplay.php?2-National-Forum-Ideas-amp-Issues

[-] 0 points by JanitorInaDrum (134) 2 years ago

Hell, I watched him commit several of them on C-Span, and I mean right in front of the whole world.

So how many A5C factions are there?

My understanding has been that the majority simply want to patch up the incorporated version and it's resulting form of wealth extraction, masquerading as governance, on behalf of the note holders.

I wasn't aware a significant group had any desire to restore the original document, return back to an actual democratic republic form of governance along with our original common law legal system.

Check this one out... first five seconds Obama reveals he certainly is aware.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JxYDnYgQ5MQ

I do however, agree that the original one needs some amendments and minor tweaking to be put back into use today.

[-] 1 points by forourfutures (393) 2 years ago

More in agreement with each post. I guess that is what actual reading of history produces, consistency. It another AC5 org, but 1787 purist AC5 faction forming at that link. I hadn't noticed the others, too scattered and not comprehensive enough to have actual substance. The preparatory amendment package proposed there really does it well.

I'll trust your definitions of the others, they're close enough to mine in more specific ways, which I do sorta recognize.

Yep, the 1787 constitution is a fine document, mostly the civil war kicked the crap out of the people so bad they never gathered themselves up before the onslaught of the industrial age and corporate empowerment swept them off their feet and into world wars.

I love it, "minor tweaking", and it really is true. Eveything everyone knows about our current government would leave anything, even the constitution the fraud pretends to operate under, sullied by the BS coming from it today.

But, those that know and love its true history, will cleanse and restore it to power.

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