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Forum Post: TEAR DOWN THIS WALL......Wall Street and the Fall of White Supremacy Racism

Posted 12 years ago on Oct. 27, 2011, 1:19 p.m. EST by seshatasefekht (0) from Houston, TX
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The American Fall does not seem as threatening to the power elite on Wall Street as was the basic standards addressed and inspired during and after the Arab Spring. How can a revolutionary wave of demonstrations and protest continue without addressing the fundamental issue of White Supremacy in America and how white people are even mistreated by the injustices produced by the supremacy of the smartest and most powerful white people in all areas of people activity here in America? In an odd way, White Supremacy has been detached from the discussions about Wall Street. It would seem as though a new group is challenging the reigns of power again only for the benefit of the new grouping.

Does Wall Street generally practice White Supremacy whereby people who classify themselves as White People are a majority of the decision makers on Wall Street who determine how all Non-white people think, speak and act in all areas of people activity, including Economics, Education, Entertainment, Labor, Law, Politics, Religion, Sex and War?

For the Occupy Wall Street resistance to be legitimate, shouldn't the movement clarify exactly what White Supremacy is and how it works on Wall Street in establishing, maintaining, expanding and refining the greatest injustice that the world has ever known?

Else aren't we back to the same old things:

Ignorance is Strength by Emmanuel Goldstein {George Orwell} (1949)

"Throughout recorded time, and probably since the end of the Neolithic Age, there have been three kinds of people in the world, the High, the Middle, and the Low. They have been subdivided in many ways, they have borne countless different names, and their relative numbers, as well as their attitude towards one another, have varied from age to age: but the essential structure of society has never altered. Even after enormous upheavals and seemingly irrevocable changes, the same pattern has always reasserted itself, just as a gyroscope will always return to equilibrium, however far it is pushed one way or the other.

The aims of these three groups are entirely irreconcilable. The aim of the High is to remain where they are. The aim of the Middle is to change places with the High. The aim of the Low, when they have an aim - for it is an abiding characteristic of the Low that they are too much crushed by drudgery to be more than intermittently conscious of anything outside their daily lives - is to abolish all distinctions and create a society in which all men shall be equal. Thus throughout history a struggle which is the same in its main outlines recurs over and over again. For long periods the High seem to be securely in power, but sooner or later there always comes a moment when they lose either their belief in themselves or their capacity to govern efficiently, or both. They are then overthrown by the Middle, who enlist the Low on their side by pretending to them that they are fighting for liberty and justice. As soon as they have reached their objective, the Middle thrust the Low back into their old position of servitude, and themselves become the High. Presently a new Middle group splits off from one of the other groups, or from both of them, and the struggle begins over again. Of the three groups, only the Low are never even temporarily successful in achieving their aims. It would be an exaggeration to say that throughout history there has been no progress of a material kind. Even today, in a period of decline, the average human being is physically better off than he was a few centuries ago. But no advance in wealth, no softening of manners, no reform or revolution has ever brought human equality a millimetre nearer. From the point of view of the Low, no historic change has ever meant much more than a change in the name of their masters."

"Tear down this wall!" was the challenge from United States President Ronald Reagan to Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev to destroy the Berlin Wall. It was done in due course after white people- by terms of "cold war", came together with a COMMON (communism) agenda to continue to CAPITALIZE (capitalism) on the people whom they have classified as not white into the 21st century .

"Tear Down Wall Street".........will not happen without tearing down the injustices produced by White Supremacy or replacing White Supremacy with Justice and correctness.

Who has the most at stake for replacing the SYSTEM of white supremacy with a SYSTEM of justice, the people who are able to practice white supremacy/racism or the victims of white supremacy?

Whiteness and the 99%:

"Occupy Wall Street and the hundreds of occupations it has sparked nationwide are among the most inspiring events in the U.S. in the 21st century. The occupations have brought together people to talk, occupy, and organize in new and exciting ways. The convergence of so many people with so many concerns has naturally created tensions within the occupation movement. One of the most significant tensions has been over race." - Joel Olson http://www.bringtheruckus.org/?q=node%2F146

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[-] 1 points by seshata (40) from Houston, TX 12 years ago

Mike Check

[-] 1 points by seshata (40) from Houston, TX 12 years ago

This is what Censorship Feels Like...

[-] 1 points by bettersystem (170) 12 years ago

Force Change, Boycott Capitalism until we have full government resignation and a new online voting system with verification so we can rebuild our country and eventually our world.

We know what the problem is, let us fix it and move forward together.

When you look at a republican or democrat, congress or FDA official, Judges and Justice Department, you see criminals.

Our corruption dates back decades to when those, who in trying to preserve slavery, had to find new ways to preserve it and so created a scientific and advanced form of slavery.

Only two components were required -- the illusion of freedom & choice and the taking away of the freedom to live off the land.

How else would you get a person to submit themselves to mind numbing or degrading work unless you oppress them into it.

Our current system is rooted in corruption and every attempt in preserving it involves manipulating human thought and turning people against one another.

In America the population has been transformed into two major voting groups but they only have one choice.

They had been distracted up until now with television and American culture which prospered through the oppression of other nations.

Americans allowed themselves to be fooled into using their military and economic dominance to seize resources of other nations and create expanding markets for American profiteers.

Now that technology, competition and conscience have evolved Americans are realizing that our current system of government is damaging and unsustainable.

Our government officials have allowed private profits and personal benefits to influence decisions that affect the health and well-being of people all over the planet, not just in America... how much longer will we allow them to rule over us??

Occupy Washington and demand that all government officials resign their posts.

We will setup new online elections with a verification system that will allow us to see our votes after we cast them, put our new officials in office and work toward rebuilding our country and our world.

Pass this message along to any and everyone, we already occupy the world, unite.

Occupy Washington, Boycott Capitalism, Force Change

http://wesower.org

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[-] 1 points by ramous (765) from Wabash, IN 12 years ago

Anybody can be corrupt and greedy, it has nothing to do with color. Obama is the biggest supremacist I ever wished I hadn't voted for.

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[-] 1 points by shwe (38) 12 years ago

Are you a White Person ?

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[-] 1 points by shwe (38) 12 years ago

seshatasefekht, thanks for your answer, "I have been classified by White People as Not or Non-White "

Please explain "correctness" vs "truth"

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[-] 1 points by shwe (38) 12 years ago

seshatasefekht, thanks for your explanation.

I am still confused since english is not my first language. When I was in college, the college professor would say "your answer is correct if you get 4" (in your example 2+2=4)

If you say the event exactly what you see(you do not make up anything), "you say honestly". Sometime, "you say the truth."

Can you give me a short story to understand better?

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[-] 1 points by shwe (38) 12 years ago

seshatasefekht, thanks for your time.

How to use the word "correct" and "truth" in the same story so that I may pick up the meaning.

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[-] 1 points by shwe (38) 12 years ago

seshatasefekht, thanks for your time again.

I think I got it now.

Can you give me example for "justice" vs "law" in same story. People bring someone to court for justice. Then justice=law, isn't it?

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[-] 1 points by ramous (765) from Wabash, IN 12 years ago

and black people are black because they say they are not using 'African American' right now. I agree with a lot of points here, but im hispanic because I say so too.

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[-] 1 points by ramous (765) from Wabash, IN 12 years ago

all i can say is ay yi yi. No I didn't see him lately. WTH that doesn't look like sitting inside all winter.

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[-] 1 points by ramous (765) from Wabash, IN 12 years ago

yeah, its interesting to think about big cultures ended suddenly. Olmecs were gone like the maya, like 2500 years ago. Especially like now, what if it wasn't natural disasters like volcanoes or drought that ended their civilization? what if it was politics?

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[-] 1 points by ramous (765) from Wabash, IN 12 years ago

you mean like vikings and druids too, I get it. Yes. We are all descended from all these great things in our past, and really not very far away from them. The civilization structures may be gone thousands of years, but all the blood is still there.

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[-] 1 points by MJMorrow (419) 12 years ago

The majority of the poor, in the United States are White. The ultra rich and the politically connected run the USA. Your anti -white racist rant, is just that, an anti-White racist rant. Whites living in trailer parks are not part of any privileged, dominant, puppet pulling elite. Thankfully, guys and gals, like yours truly, will be salvaging the Liberal Democrats from delusional racists, like you.

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[-] 1 points by MJMorrow (419) 12 years ago

The poor tend not to join and fight authority. It is usually the middle class fighting authority. I was from a poor family, though I was raised around the very rich, attending school. I was raised to not make waves, to obey authority and to find my place in my family, my place in society. The poor need to stop following authority and need to be assertive, just like the rich people, screwing all of us over. The rich believe that they are entitled to run the show. They think that they are better than all of us. We need to demand and expect that we are treated the same way the rich are treated. They don't deserve a good life, anymore than you or me, so why should we all be treated like second class citizens and held to tougher and different standards; under the law, in employment and everywhere else, in the USA?

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[-] 1 points by MJMorrow (419) 12 years ago

It is most assuredly so, that the rich are the useful idiots of the ultra rich. The rich forget that the ultra rich do not depend on occupational income, to maintain the lifestyle of the ultra rich and that the rich will eventually be done away with too. In Russia, in Moscow, there are more billionaires, than in any other city on Earth, yet how many Russians will get to be millionaires? The billionaires will eventually destroy the millionaires, for what is a millionaire to a billionaire? The rich forget how dependent the rich are on home equity and occupational income.

The rich also forget that the ultra rich don't need millionaires to be billionaires. Like the middle class, the rich will learn the hard way, but learn they will. In the absence of a middle class, the billionaires will then turn on the rich; concentrating the wealth and income of the rich, into the hands of the ultra rich. Then, the ultra rich, with security connections, will consolidate the wealth and income of the ultra rich, without security connections and the USA will become like The Russian Federation. [grin]

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[-] 1 points by MJMorrow (419) 12 years ago

Thank you for meeting minds with me. I do not know your background, but I am a Jew and a Jew willing to identify as White too, since I look more European and Eurasian looking, than like a modern North African Arab Semite. I find it promising that we can think together, without hating one another and agree on a great many things, while we still disagree over things, like the issue of White supremacy. Still, we have exchanged ideas and found common ground. I have profited from your thoughts, as I hope that you have profited from my thoughts. It will be good to exchange ideas with you, in the future. Thank you, for your insight.

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[-] 1 points by MJMorrow (419) 12 years ago

Unfortunately, I do not find any men or women pulling for me, because I am White looking or because I am a Jew. The rich and the politically elite seem to think that they are something other than human, in my estimation. [giggle] I would not entertain these notions of the White Supremacist or the Zionist stuff. In truth, the ultra rich and the political ass kissers of the ultra rich, irregardless of their race, religion or what not, tend to run the show. A ham sandwich, with enough political connections and money, would end up a U.S. Senator, if sandwiches could run for office and do the bidding of Exxon Mobil. [grin]

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[-] 1 points by Redmist (212) from Yazd, Yazd 12 years ago

LOL You guys are hilarious! Jew is not a race you fucking moros failure, Its a religion that (includes) many races. Your idea of whites controlling the earth and all of its cash is delusional. Make up your mind fuckhead! Who are you going to eradicate first? Blondes, Blue eyes, Jews, Kmart shoppers. Race is antiquated idiocy revolving around ubiquitous pigmentation.

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[-] 1 points by Redmist (212) from Yazd, Yazd 12 years ago

Your no better than the white supremacists, and thankfully your kind of thinking is a tiny minority of moron. I have a great idea! Why don't you gather up your buddies and the Nazi's, find some tiny little island that is uninhabitable, and kill each other off. You are a racist and racists deserve to get their teeth kicked out.

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[-] 1 points by Frthnkr85 (20) 12 years ago

I get it we are all colorless, because we are of the human race, and therefore we share a bond that goes beyond skin color, which is a funny and miseducated concept in the first place. However, White people or White Supremacy is not responsible for that, instead Human Nature is. Supremacy has been practiced by every race throughout history, and will continue to be practiced as long as we as humans hate. I love you and all of my brothers and sisters, because I believe in GOD and I believe in the love that is offered through that belief. To make a point by highlighting a single race is going against the whole point you are trying to make. I would just ask that you consider what you and your site's true motivations are, and if they are noble and good more power to you, because your initial point of reference is good, but if that is nothing more than a front for some other agenda than, the hell fire earned by the hypocrite will burn much hotter than otherwise might be the case.

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[-] 1 points by Frthnkr85 (20) 12 years ago

I am a person and that is all that matters. My religion requires that I love all as if they were myself, and I hardly ever meet others who behave humanely all of the time, actually I never have, because human nature, is to act in one's own interest, and often that means that you have to act against the interest of someone else. Do I fight my selfishness? Yes of course. Does my selfishness come from my skin color? Of course not. Is selfishness Universal? It most certainly is. It would be easy to suggest you are racist because you target a specific color, but I will give you the benefit of the doubt considering your core message is one which I can respect. This whole "White" deal, really undermines your message however. I believe that you and your orginization may be better served by focusing on a colorless agenda, then by highlighting a particular race, which is counter to your whole movement, and can produce hate of a completely different kind, and to believe otherwise is naive to say the least. I have personally wittnessed hate from all colors, and I have witnessed supremacy from all people at one time or another. Throughout history peoples have risen and fallen, and have subjugated other's who were weaker to their will. For instance slavery existed in Africa long before the white man ever sailed there. Also, I am sure that at some point in history Blacks owned White slaves, which only makes sense considering how pervaisive the African culture is, and the fact that throughout history there was many a strong nation to come out of Africa. In the middle east slavery still exists and there are no white people behind that in fact this slavery is more about position in society and sex. There are a number of cases where people have been slaves to the government or a tyrant. There is slavery in Africa today where the weak are subjugated by the strong. Never the less, I appreciate your overarching point, and the world would be a much better place, if we could see everyone as we see ourselves, and love everyone as if they were ourselves, but the rhetoric offered by you and the sites that you have referenced will cause just as many problems as we already have, and will hardly fix anything. If the ideas you support truly mean that much to you, I would suggest studying all of history, not just that which helps with a point, because that is lying by omission and unacceptable, and I would also focus on equality overall, not just one contributing factor.

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[-] 1 points by Frthnkr85 (20) 12 years ago

The contributions by non-whites to this country is great, many of the technolgical, medical, agricultural, and social issues of the day have been influenced by non-whites as you would put it. 500 years is a small frame of time when dealing with issues that have taken thousands if not millions of years to develop. The Asian, African, Hispanic, Indian, and Middle Eastern (to name a few) cultures have dominated the geographic landscape for centuries worth of recorded history, and the civilizations of today are a direct reflection of the cultures and advancements that were made as a result of these cultures. The political and scientific contributions in and of themselves are overwhelming. That is worldwide. The contributions in this country alone are also overwhelming, and what is taught in the schools is just a small part of the over all contribution made by those you would describe as non-whites. This country has found its successes by accepting the opinions and skills of all, though like many civilizations before ours, there have been mistakes, and our ancestors were not perfect. Today is a chance to be better than yesterday and I would think that by coming together we might well be better served than by continuing to put people into groups.

Also to answer your question my belief is my own, and I do not practice RELIGION for it is a tool to control people, and has been used to create much harm and suffering.

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[-] 1 points by ramous (765) from Wabash, IN 12 years ago

For crying out loud, bringing race into it dilutes our message. The TEA PARTIERS are supposed to be the racists, not us.

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[-] 1 points by JJB13 (8) 12 years ago

<yawn> more racism against the white man.....what else is new?

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[-] 1 points by thoreau42 (595) 12 years ago

Should we be having discussions like these outside of black history month?

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[-] 1 points by thoreau42 (595) 12 years ago

So long as you continue to separate people based on being "black" and "white", there will always be racism. By definition, it's distinguishing based on skin color. Every single post you've made in here violates your intention (assuming your intention is equality). If your intention is not equality, then you're no better than the people you denounce.

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[-] 1 points by thoreau42 (595) 12 years ago

I got my definition of racism from looking around me at the way society behaves. I attempt to never discriminate against anyone, ever. In this way, I never perpetuate any superficial bias (in theory, and hopefully in practice).

But hey, if you think that going around and punishing people for the sins of their ancestors is justifiable, don't expect to receive any kindness in return. That's not the kind of message I can get behind.

I left the option of your intention open. If your intentions aren't obvious enough to spot from your innumerable posts, then they're overly complicated for me and the message isn't coming across. I'd like to give you the benefit of the doubt, as I absolutely hate racism, but you come across pretttttttttty racist, homie!

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[-] 1 points by thoreau42 (595) 12 years ago

I take a holistic approach. If I can eliminate racism in my own mind and in my own life, then I can begin to challenge others to do the same.

Power may give up nothing without a struggle, but racism, much like many other "-isms" are in the mind. If we all ceased to think that racism existed, what would happen? We'd have a lone person or two who would continue to behave badly, and they'd be ostracized from society.

I don't think that the struggle lies in overcoming anybody. I think the struggle lies in fixing our own lives so as to render them obsolete.

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[-] 1 points by PhilArthur (54) 12 years ago

omg, I'm white and part of the 99%... stereotyping people based on color is not a rallying cry to unite people... wise up!

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[-] 1 points by PhilArthur (54) 12 years ago

By the same token, many qualified people have taken a backseat as others have gotten opportunities in recent times, simply because they are white males.

I am not raising the flag of reverse discrimination here. I am pointing out that it is not uniting to raise an historical banner of discontent while white victims struggle in a very depressed economy like everyone else... all at the hands of the 1%.

The only stereotype that comes close to fitting here is the 1%... any reference to race or ethnic background merely attacks those innocents who may happen to belong to that race or have that ethnic background.

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[-] 1 points by msantos (131) 12 years ago

Fuck white supremacy, beneath this fleshy exterior we are al made of the same basic organs, muscles tissue and bones. Just because you come from a certain race doesn't make you "superior" or "smarter" than anyone. seeing some of these racist comments is not only outrageous but shocking to see in 2011. May God have mercy on those peoples souls. People get real. No one here is truly " American" any way. So maybe all these european descendant-white supremacist bastards can go back to where THEY belong and stop talking complete and utter bull shit. This country is made of many different colors, cultures, religions and races, its 20 fucking 11 get over the race card. Let's end this "white supremacy" asenine bull shit. If your a white supremacist you should probably be shot, and btw they call themselves Christians? News for you assholes, Jesus technically wasn't white, He was an Isrealite living in the desert. So pull up your big boy panties , cry me a river and get the fuck over it. Get out of here with this shit, leave the forum , and by all means go kill yourself!

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[-] 1 points by cheeseus (109) 12 years ago

What is a white person? I'm light skinned, but as I put my forearm against the white page of this website, it's clear to me that I'm not white. I've got shades of beige, pink, and peach. You would classify me as white though I have more colors than an African native.

Again, what is this white person you talk about? Are arabs white? Jews? People from germany, italy or belarus? Are they still white if they had an african grandmother five thousand years ago?

Why do you judge people on the color of their skin? Sometimes we are just humans. Stop being an ignorant bigot!

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[-] 1 points by cheeseus (109) 12 years ago

My use of the word African native was meant to suggest the homogeneous people who make up the majority in areas such as the Congo. Yes, I believe humanity started evolution in Africa. Some scientists think man evolved further in places like Georgia and then back migrated.....My post was not meant to spark a dicussion of genetics. We can discuss autosomal, mtdna, y, migration, etc at some later time....

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[-] 1 points by cheeseus (109) 12 years ago

There is no racial purity. There are cultural differences that help some ethnicities progress further than others. It's not skin color holding people back, but ignorance and arrogance.

You have every right to divide life with white and black. I'll thrive by realizing it's shades of gray that have little impact when we keep our sunglasses on....

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[-] 1 points by cheeseus (109) 12 years ago

Lighter skin pigmentation is said to be a recent evolution. So, you are saying Economics, Education, Entertainment, Labor, Law, Politics, Religion, Sex and War is all just a recent occurrence? Ah yes, before those evil light skinned people mutated all humans lived in utopia. There was no oppression. No discrmination. Skin color was the sole factor in these social traits?....

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[-] 1 points by locolobo (2) 12 years ago

race shouldn't be an issue

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[-] 1 points by sdcheung (76) 12 years ago

I would think it's more like Zionist-Rothschild Supremacy. I did not support OWS to kick Whites, most of them are Good people. it's the Zionists who runs The Financial and media. Focus on them.

[-] 1 points by ronimacarroni (1089) 12 years ago

"whites" are not necessarily good people

Not by a long shot

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[-] 1 points by ronimacarroni (1089) 12 years ago

I'd say waging war for profit is an example of a "bad white person"

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[-] 1 points by bettersystem (170) 12 years ago

Force Change, Boycott Capitalism until we have full government resignation and a new online voting system with verification so we can rebuild our country and eventually our world.

We know what the problem is, let us fix it and move forward together.

When you look at a republican or democrat, congress or FDA official, Judges and Justice Department, you see criminals.

Our corruption dates back decades to when those, who in trying to preserve slavery, had to find new ways to preserve it and so created a scientific and advanced form of slavery.

Only two components were required -- the illusion of freedom & choice and the taking away of the freedom to live off the land.

How else would you get a person to submit themselves to mind numbing or degrading work unless you oppress them into it.

Our current system is rooted in corruption and every attempt in preserving it involves manipulating human thought and turning people against one another.

In America the population has been transformed into two major voting groups but they only have one choice.

They had been distracted up until now with television and American culture which prospered through the oppression of other nations.

Americans allowed themselves to be fooled into using their military and economic dominance to seize resources of other nations and create expanding markets for American profiteers.

Now that technology, competition and conscience have evolved Americans are realizing that our current system of government is damaging and unsustainable.

Our government officials have allowed private profits and personal benefits to influence decisions that affect the health and well-being of people all over the planet, not just in America... how much longer will we allow them to rule over us??

Occupy Washington and demand that all government officials resign their posts.

We will setup new online elections with a verification system that will allow us to see our votes after we cast them, put our new officials in office and work toward rebuilding our country and our world.

Pass this message along to any and everyone, we already occupy the world, unite.

Occupy Washington, Boycott Capitalism, Force Change

http://wesower.org

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[-] 1 points by gt2seeit2 (19) from Dallas, TX 12 years ago

sit in a corner and speak, now thought of as a fool. sit in the corner and listen, thought of as a wise man

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[-] 1 points by pissedoffconstructionworker (602) 12 years ago

TEAR DOWN THE BULL

"Gather at the bull, the rest will follow"

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[-] 1 points by Steve15 (385) 12 years ago

Fake post!!! Losers

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[-] 1 points by Thinkdeer (250) 12 years ago

oversimplification often leads to alienation.

these are complex problems, racism is one (albeit cruicial) vector of the current problem, but do not mistake it for the whole.

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[-] 1 points by battleofyorktown (14) 12 years ago

isnt that a predjudgement- Racism- is the promotion of one race over another based on the color of ones skin. Im white but Im darker than barack obama because I'm a mix of italian, scottish, french , and english heritage.

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[-] 1 points by battleofyorktown (14) 12 years ago

here are the facts sir!!! Domestic slavery was quite common in West Africa, although the Europeans organized the trade to a much greater magnitude and value. Free black slaveowners resided in states as north as New York and as far south as Florida, extending westward into Kentucky, Mississippi, Louisiana, and Missouri. According to the federal census of 1830, free blacks owned more than 10,000 slaves in Louisiana, Maryland, South Carolina, and Virginia. The majority of black slaveowners lived in Louisiana and planted sugar cane. The majority of black masters had not been slaves themselves. Yet, the ranks of black slave masters were diverse: some acquired slaves as soon as they had accumulated enough capital after their own freedom, others received slaves with their own freedom from their white masters, and others had been free for several generations. Free black masters used slaves to work their farms as skilled and unskilled workers in urban centers and as hired workers to other employers. Although some black masters, such as those in Louisiana, owned scores of slaves and large tracts of land, most were small slaveholders who owned one or two slaves. Many of these small slaveholders owned family members who could not be emancipated because state legislatures prohibited private manumission unless the freed slaves left the state. The South Carolina Act of 1806 required slaves who lived outside their master's household to have written permission from their masters to do so. The statute also made it illegal to rent lots, houses, or enclosures directly to slaves. Some scholars explain the large number of slaves living in black households in Charleston, for example, as the slaves being merely boarders. But the detailed tax and manuscript census records show that slave boarding can not account for the majority of recorded slaveholdings among free blacks in Charleston.

Descendants of mulatto slaveowners who were intermarried with Indians often rejected their African ancestry and passed as free Indians, which allowed them to avoid paying the "state capitation tax" that all free blacks were required to pay (between 16 and 60 years for men and from 14-55 for women), and they were permitted to give sworn testimony in court litigations concerning the race of other Indian-blooded bl. In South Carolina, the courts decided that 1/4 to 1/8 Negro ancestry (or three generations) would make a person white! In 1820 the South Carolina legislature passed an act that banned personal manumissions -- only by petition to both houses of the legislature could slaves be freed.

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[-] 1 points by Thinkdeer (250) 12 years ago

no, i am latino.

and no i would never call you either, though I can appreciate why you take offense and may well the same, it was not intended in my words.

What I am saying is white suprimacy is a huge problem, but it is part of economic inequality not the whole, just as sexism is part, just as descrimination by creed is part. I know well, that the reason why Wall Street was so named was because it was where black slaves where forced to build a wall to protect the white wealthy elite. And so a crucial part of taring down wall street is dismanteling that histories negative effects on the future of this world. Racism must end.

But it is also crucial to recognize that where economic disparity is at its greatest, so is distrust, amongst the middle, the elite, and the low, alike. It is not a huge leap from there to guess that one of the key contributors to the continuation of racism is the economic disparity itself is one of the key fuels to the continuation of racism. And naturally ending that economic disparity, with out addressing those issues of trust, which includes the ending of racism, would be failure at any change at all.

Finally, no it is not double speak. Double Think is accepting to contradictory statements as true. However I did not do that, instead I said that the set of all 'problems of economic disparity' includes 'racism', but the set of 'racism' does not include all 'problems of economic disparity'. I hope you understand how that is in fact not a contradictory statement.

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[-] 1 points by Thinkdeer (250) 12 years ago

yeah, so you didn't read my reply, and you posted an unrelated quote.

well good luck with your proselytising mission, while the rest of us are engaged in conversation.

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[-] 1 points by klsmith (8) 12 years ago

What other country is going to give free money via a Welfare System? What other country is going to pay you more money for every kid you spawn? Food stamps? etc. etc.

Sorry - but my family arrived here in 1620. They were indentured servants - meaning they practically "slaved" their way to get here because they wanted a new life. They were servants before the slave ships came. They hacked out a continent for the British Empire and then when the British Empire ignored them - they hacked it out for themselves.

You my friend and the majority of the "Low" are victims of one of the worst crimes commited against humanity. In lieu of having to work, many are given free money - money for nothing via the Welfare System. The will/desire to work, get an education, and be a productive part of society was robbed by the Democratic Party. This is their crime against humanity. They created a perpetual voting bloc by handing out free money. Because - who's gonna bite the hand that gives them free money? Money for nothing! And that's what the Occupy want - redistribution of wealth. You can call it "Redistribution of Wealth" - in the 50's/60's/70's/80's we called it socialism and communism. It doesn't work, because at some point you run out of other peoples' wealth and it all comes crumbling down - like the Berlin Wall and the Iron Curtain.

What amazes me is that with all this "White Supremacy" bull crap, an awful lot of non-whites are still coming to America and finding their American Dream. From their past lives, they know that nothing is free. They're willing to work for it. They have pride. They have ownership of their lives. They have a work ethic - the single most important thing missing in a great part of the American populace.

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[-] 1 points by klsmith (8) 12 years ago

What other country is going to give free money via a Welfare System? What other country is going to pay you more money for every kid you spawn? Food stamps? etc. etc.

Sorry - but my family arrived here in 1620. They were indentured servants - meaning they practically "slaved" their way to get here because they wanted a new life. They were servants before the slave ships came. They hacked out a continent for the British Empire and then when the British Empire ignored them - they hacked it out for themselves.

You my friend and the majority of the "Low" are victims of one of the worst crimes commited against humanity. In lieu of having to work, many are given free money - money for nothing via the Welfare System. The will/desire to work, get an education, and be a productive part of society was robbed by the Democratic Party. This is their crime against humanity. They created a perpetual voting bloc by handing out free money. Because - who's gonna bite the hand that gives them free money? Money for nothing! And that's what the Occupy want - redistribution of wealth. You can call it "Redistribution of Wealth" - in the 50's/60's/70's/80's we called it socialism and communism. It doesn't work, because at some point you run out of other peoples' wealth and it all comes crumbling down - like the Berlin Wall and the Iron Curtain.

What amazes me is that with all this "White Supremacy" bull crap, an awful lot of non-whites are still coming to America and finding their American Dream. From their past lives, they know that nothing is free. They're willing to work for it. They have pride. They have ownership of their lives. They have a work ethic - the single most important thing missing in a great part of the American populace.

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[-] 0 points by LetsGetTheFactsStraight (30) 12 years ago

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[-] 0 points by LetsGetTheFactsStraight (30) 12 years ago

Visit LetsGetTheFactsStraight.com

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[-] 1 points by battleofyorktown (14) 12 years ago

Hey seshatasefekht- I found your movement.... see below- facts are alarming arent they....

Justice Department Statistics About Black On White Race Violence 'The Race War Of Black Against White' by Paul Sheehan The Sydney Morning Herald , Australia, 20 May 1995 The longest war America has ever fought is the Dirty War, and it is not over. It has lasted 30 years so far and claimed more than 25 million victims. It has cost almost as many lives as the Vietnam War. It determined the result of last year's congressional election. Yet the American news media do not want to talk about the Dirty War, which remains between the lines and unreported. In fact, to even suggest that the war exists is to be discredited. So let's start suggesting, immediately. No matter how crime figures are massaged by those who want to acknowledge or dispute the existence of a Dirty War, there is nothing ambiguous about what the official statistics portray: for the past 30 years a large segment of black America has waged a war of violent retribution against white America. And the problem is getting worse, not better. In the past 20 years, violent crime has increased more than four times faster than the population. Young blacks (under 18) are more violent than previous generations and are 12 times more likely to be arrested for murder than young whites. Nearly all the following figures, which speak for themselves, have not been reported in America: • According to the latest US Department of Justice survey of crime victims, more than 6.6 million violent crimes (murder, rape, assault and robbery) are committed in the US each year, of which about 20 per cent, or 1.3 million, are inter-racial crimes. • Most victims of race crime—about 90 per cent—are white, according to the survey "Highlights from 20 Years of Surveying Crime Victims", published in 1993. • Almost 1 million white Americans were murdered, robbed, assaulted or raped by black Americans in 1992, compared with about 132,000 blacks who were murdered, robbed, assaulted or raped by whites, according to the same survey. • Blacks thus committed 7.5 times more violent inter-racial crimes than whites even though the black population is only one-seventh the size of the white population. When these figures are adjusted on a per capita basis, they reveal an extraordinary disparity: blacks are committing more than 50 times the number of violent racial crimes of whites. • According to the latest annual report on murder by the Federal Bureau of Investigation, most inter-racial murders involve black assailants and white victims, with blacks murdering whites at 18 times the rate that whites murder blacks. These breathtaking disparities began to emerge in the mid-1960's, when there was a sharp increase in black crime against whites, an upsurge which, not coincidentally, corresponds exactly with the beginning of the modern civil rights movement. Over time, the cumulative effect has been staggering. Justice Department and FBI statistics indicate that between 1964 and 1994 more than 25 million violent inter-racial crimes were committed, overwhelmingly involving black offenders and white victims, and more than 45,000 people were killed in inter-racial murders. By comparisons 58,000 Americans died in Vietnam, and 34,000 were killed in the Korean war. When non-violent crimes (burglary, larceny, car theft and personal theft) are included, the cumulative totals become prodigious. The Bureau of Justice Statistics says 27 million non-violent crimes were committed in the US in 1992, and the survey found that 31 per cent of the robberies involved black offenders and white victims (while only 2 per cent in the reverse). When all the crime figures are calculated, it appears that black Americans have committed at least 170 million crimes against white Americans in the past 30 years. It is the great defining disaster of American life and American ideals since World War II. All these are facts, yet by simply writing this story, by assembling the facts in this way, I would be deemed a racist by the American news media. It prefers to maintain a paternalistic double-standard in its coverage of black America, a lower standard.

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[-] 1 points by battleofyorktown (14) 12 years ago

what does charles manson have to do with anything? he was a pyschopath just like a lot of the narcissists.

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[-] 1 points by battleofyorktown (14) 12 years ago

laugh laugh- you know nothing. by the looks of it, you will have to call it Asian or Yellow Supremacy. By the way the S.E. method of trying to change the definition, meaning and context of word to suit your agenda is not working!!! Funny- I remember that Howard U used to have the Brown Paper Bag test .... Is that Black on Black racism.... What defines someone as white.... specifically what heritage, skin color, etc.... If you call yourself white and are black are you still a white supremacist?

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[-] 1 points by demonspawn79 (186) 12 years ago

What about white anti-whites? Like white black supremacists? People who are classified as "white" but generally function as "black". I just noticed the word "white" looks really strange after reading you post. =\

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