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Forum Post: Teabagge(R)s in Pa. Drain Public School Funds.

Posted 5 years ago on Aug. 19, 2013, 1:24 p.m. EST by shoozTroll (17632)
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"Want to see a public school system in its death throes? Look no further than Philadelphia. There, the school district is facing end times, with teachers, parents and students staring into the abyss created by a state intent on destroying public education."

Indescribably insane, indeed.


Meanwhile, realizing how screwed they have become, teachers in "coupon schools" attempt to organize.




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[-] 3 points by shoozTroll (17632) 5 years ago

"On August 13, Olney Charter High School students and members from the community held a demonstration outside of ASIPRA for PA’s North Philadelphia headquarters – ASPIRA owns the charter of the school – in support of the teachers’ union drive. By organizing a union with the help of the Philadelphia Alliance of Charter School Employees and the American Federation of Teachers of Pennsylvania (AFT PA), these teachers are on the frontlines of the education reform movement and among the first to seek to unionize the corporate education sector. The teachers went public with their fight at the end of last school year and in response have faced threats and intimidation by principals and administrators."

Threats and intimidation for attempts to unionize????

Now where have I heard that story before???


[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 5 years ago

'You come in at less salary. You work longer hours because you are at-will,' he said.

"Deb Schwartz, an 11th grade English teacher, said that in the 2012 school year, teachers were given 13 furlough days in anticipation of the state budget crisis. 'We felt we did not have a voice in some of the decisions and changes,' Schwartz said.

"When school funding was restored, teachers got back only five of the 13 unpaid days. 'At that point,' she said, 'everyone got together and said, ‘This doesn’t seem right.’

It's all about decentralization. You have to love those Repelicans and Teathuglicans that dream of Libertopia.

[-] 3 points by shoozTroll (17632) 5 years ago

States "rights" baby, States "rights", just what the Koch's paid for.


Dems ain't immune, but.....on the whole.

Oooops there's those pesky, yet ignored Florida teabagge(R)s again.


Nor are the Koch's alone.


[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 5 years ago

Did you see this from Philly?


With these people on the school board no wonder they are collapsing.

And they try and blame this on teachers unions???


[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 5 years ago

I hadn't. FFS.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 5 years ago

Will they be giving him a high level administrative job in the charters?

[-] 1 points by penguentoredux (-1) 5 years ago

Not surprising, really. I live very near to where this occurred, and I can tell you that there's a pretty hard-core racist element around these parts. I'm a member of one of one of those darky ethnic minorities, but don't look it -- I'm kinda light, and speak standard middle-class English -- -- and I've spent many a night on a bar stool listening to the guy next to me - who thinks I'm also white - going on about niggers and Mexicans and Arabs and whatever in the most vulgar and insulting terms you can imagine. Not pretty at all, as those messages reveal, and kinda tough to take when you're the only darky in the bar. And often, it's not who you'd expect (e.g., rednecks, speaking of my own stereotypes) saying it -- it's college-educated, upper middle class people.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 5 years ago

So it must be the teachers unions?

[-] 1 points by penguentoredux (-1) 5 years ago

No, you definitely can't blame that one on the teachers unions, that's for sure. Maybe its the water. I can, however, tell you, having moved here from out west, where public officials are (relatively) competent and honest, that you get a different breed of bureaucrat around here, and it ain't a better one, as your story illustrates. There are some real serious losers in public office here.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 5 years ago

Surprising response from a dedicated anti-unionist such as yourself.

Have you searched for the ALEC connection?

You can be sure there is one.

[-] 0 points by penguentoredux (-1) 5 years ago

Further to the point, and to the point of the original post, Philly is a disaster, every way you look at it. The city bureaucracy is a very corrupt Tammany Hall-style patronage system where pols hire ward bosses to run city departments, and the ward bosses hire their foot soldiers, and everybody spends their time getting the pol re-elected instead of serving the citizens. The property tax system, which funds the school system, has been run for years by completely incompetent and corrupt political hacks put in there as a sinecure by the pols, and most of the local pols are openly on the take -- they call it "pay to play." The feds have been putting them in jail on a regular basis for years. The mayor, Nutter, is a good guy, and he's trying to clean things up, but his major opponents are the corrupt democratic party machine and the corrupt courts that were appointed by the party machine. That's why all the prosecutions come from the feds. The local courts and the pols scratch each others' backs. I'd be very surprised if the schools WEREN'T a disaster too. And I certainly wouldn't teach there myself. Some of those schools are a dangerous place to be a teacher. You don't need a union -- you need an armed guard.

[-] -2 points by RomSKnight (-25) 5 years ago

criminalize conservatism.com? please tell me you couldn't keep a straight face when you posted that.

[-] 3 points by shoozTroll (17632) 5 years ago

Not at all.

I remember what Reagan did to the Nation and what Engler did to my State.

Although I do prefer the more accurate term.


I can live with criminalizing the lot. They certainly try and criminalize the liberals around here.

Are you included in that?

[-] -2 points by RomSKnight (-25) 5 years ago

Only the stupid ones.

Do you consider breitbart.com to be objective and unbiased?

[-] 3 points by shoozTroll (17632) 5 years ago

Care to name a couple of those "stupid ones"?

As to breitbart.

I don't consider it at all.

Why do you ask?

[-] -2 points by RomSKnight (-25) 5 years ago


You don't see the irony of considering breitbart biased, but linking to criminalize conservatism.com ok? You are just like the average Fox viewer. You simply chose the other side.

[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 5 years ago

No, because.

Unlike you, I actually read stuff.

It's not a matter of sides.

It's a matter of reality.

What do you remember about what Reagan did to the Nation?

[-] -3 points by RomSKnight (-25) 5 years ago

Same thing Bob Filner did to those women in San Diego?

I'd never read anything from a site with a name like criminalize conservatism. Sites like that are obviously run by nutcases and/or shut ins.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 5 years ago

The story continues, as the libe(R)tarians continue to dismantle the commons..........

"When Philadelphia public schoolchildren return to their classrooms on September 9, 2013, there will be fewer schools, fewer educators and fewer opportunities because of mass school closings and what amounts to financial starvation.

It all started late in 2012, when the Philadelphia School District (PSD) revealed it would be shutting dozens of schools to fill in a $304 million budget gap.

By April, the School Reform Commission (SRC) voted to close 23 neighborhood schools, 10 percent of the city’s total, despite widespread outrage from parents, teachers and students.

In June, the SRC approved massive budget cuts that stripped Philadelphia schools to their bare essentials, eliminating clubs, athletics, art, music and most other extracurriculars. The following month, PSD sent layoff notices to 3,783 employees - including 676 teachers, 283 counselors, 127 assistant principals, 1,202 noontime aides and 307 secretaries - leaving the district severely understaffed at a critical moment.

There will be no aides to help manage larger class sizes and no support staff to supervise lunchrooms and playgrounds. For already-crowded schools receiving students from shuttered buildings, the chaos will be exacerbated.

With less than two weeks until zero hour, there is growing concern that the eighth-largest district in the country is woefully unprepared to open its doors."


[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 5 years ago

$615 per student is what's being asked of parents.

Coupons just can't cover it.


[-] -3 points by RomSKnight (-25) 5 years ago


“I commend our nation’s charter schools, teachers and administrators, and I call on states and communities to support charter schools and the students they serve.”

[-] 3 points by shoozTroll (17632) 5 years ago

You should actually read what I said and follow my links.......poser.

What was your nameplate a half hour ago?

fucking puppets are a lie

Are you one of those?

[-] -2 points by RomSKnight (-25) 5 years ago

Nope. GF started a fight with me and then banned me to stop me from responding. You know, that typical wussy shit that masquerades as being a tough guy.

[-] 3 points by GirlFriday (17435) 5 years ago

I didn't start a fight with you. You were being a douche bag and I was helping you be the douche bag that you were born to be.

[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 5 years ago

You just said no and then admitted that yes, you are a puppet.

I'm just barely going to resist being a smartass over that fact.

So what were your former nameplates?

And why didn't you actually read what I posted before, and now insist on changing the subject to make it all about YOU??

And why are YOU trying to start a fight with me?

[-] -2 points by RomSKnight (-25) 5 years ago

you said fucking puppets are a lie and asked if I was one. no. i'm not a puppet or a lie. i get banned, then make a new name.

and Eeyore, you're such a grumpy old curmudgeon, it's just impossible to resist replying to your crap.

[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 5 years ago


So you plan on playing the soap opera game until you get banned again?

then you can whine? and whine? and whine some more?

What about that nameplate?

Or will you perpetuate the lie?

You see, it's you who's the grumpy one............

[-] -2 points by RomSKnight (-25) 5 years ago

I'll probably be able to keep this id until GF gets back from the bar, then she'll cut me off. It's like I'm a singer, and she's the governor of Wisconsin.

[-] 3 points by GirlFriday (17435) 5 years ago

[-] -1 points by RomSKnight (-4) 0 minutes ago

Of course he will.

Here's the equally insane sister site:

http://www.boycottliberalism.com/ ↥twinkle ↧stinkle permalink

I'm here, jack ass.

[-] -2 points by RomSKnight (-25) 5 years ago

I hope to god you used a designated driver. Or are you using your iPhone at the Applebee's bar?

[-] 4 points by GirlFriday (17435) 5 years ago

Teachers are understandably displeased at being blamed for a problem the state has caused. “It is Commonwealth of Pennsylvania’s obligation to fully fund public education. Yet the budget office seems to be employing any and every means to avoid living up to this responsibility,” Philadelphia Teachers Federation president Jerry Jordan said in a statement. “Chronic lack of resources has brought this crisis to our schools, not work rule provisions in collective bargaining agreements.” http://www.salon.com/2013/08/19/indescribably_insane%E2%80%9D_philadelphias_public_school_nightmare/

Put your crack pipe down.

[-] 4 points by shoozTroll (17632) 5 years ago

This is what Kochhead teabagge(R)s do.

If it's not their's and it works?

They wreck it.

Everywhere you look, they are wrecking things.

[-] 3 points by GirlFriday (17435) 5 years ago

Of course, but you can't point that out because you might rankle a few folks. Awe...........hell, fuck 'em.

I'm crushed. Really.

[-] 3 points by shoozTroll (17632) 5 years ago

Don't you know? It's a duopoly.

But they can't show it.

They can't, because when you look at the States, it's blatantly not true.

Not even close.

ALEC has been busy destroying public education in the States for literally decades.


As go the States, so goes the Nation.

There's so few of us left around here that still support public education and teacher's unions, it's a crying shame.

I wonder how the soap opera of the banned will treat this thread?

[-] 2 points by GirlFriday (17435) 5 years ago

Well, their track record suggests whining.

Keep down voting, chickenshits.

[-] 4 points by shoozTroll (17632) 5 years ago

Whining is their best thing, I guess.

Although, a few have been know to go on and on about how they are "not anti-union".

Disingenuous punks.

[-] -2 points by RomSKnight (-25) 5 years ago

Wait. Philly schools are underfunded? How long has this been going on? If this happens anywhere else in this country, we are screwed.

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 5 years ago

The needs of children are secondary, however, to a right-wing governor in Tom Corbett who remains fixated on breaking the district in order to crush the teachers union and divert money to unproven experiments like vouchers and privately run charters. If the city’s children are left uneducated and impoverished among the smoldering wreckage of a broken school system, so be it.

[-] 3 points by GirlFriday (17435) 5 years ago

Problem, bitch?

[-] -3 points by RomSKnight (-25) 5 years ago

Nope. As long as you and I aren't on the roads at the same time, I'm good. Not that I drive. Cars are bad for the environment., but I'm sure you know that.

[-] 3 points by GirlFriday (17435) 5 years ago

Coming from a known crack head like yourself, that's almost funny. Try not steal from your mother.

[-] 2 points by GirlFriday (17435) 5 years ago

Nah, you're just a piece of shit multiple ID troll.

[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 5 years ago

It's silly zilla. His function is disruption.

But by doing so, he often bumps important threads.

It's not like he's ever shown signs of giving a shit about schools or teachers, or much of anything at all.

Disruption is his function.

[-] 2 points by GirlFriday (17435) 5 years ago

That's the dead giveaway. He isn't interested in the actual issue. His sole issue is to say............and the dems do too.

Sure, everyone figured out where Obama stood on charter schools before he was elected. Fought it tooth and nail.

Sure, Rahm Emanuel is all about screwing the schools. Fighting it tooth and nail.

In fact, had several Dems in Wisconsin accept money from a right wing organization to destroy public education system. I brought that article up.

However, Zilla never does actually tangle with the issues. Odd that. It doesn't make any sense unless you consider that he is a right wing paid to post/disrupt libertopian shill.

[-] 3 points by shoozTroll (17632) 5 years ago

Or just some bored kid, without a drivers license.

Can't really talk about an actual, because he doesn't really understand any of them.

[-] 4 points by GirlFriday (17435) 5 years ago

He is a meglomaniac. He could play it off that he is a regular poster but only for so long. Then he can't stand it and literally implodes because no one recognizes that it is him. He's good like that.

[-] 4 points by shoozTroll (17632) 5 years ago

Mostly, he's just annoying.

There's not much else there.

I'm glad criminalizeconse(R)vatism annoyed him "right" back.

I like my new site.....................:)


Links and references all over the place.

I can't wait to show it to ZD!!

[-] 3 points by GirlFriday (17435) 5 years ago

Ya, I think Zen will get a kick out of it.

[-] -2 points by RomSKnight (-25) 5 years ago

Of course he will.

Here's the equally insane sister site:


[-] 3 points by GirlFriday (17435) 5 years ago

I used to get a kick out of Jeremy when he says that he is pro union but he just wants people to have the right to choose. What he is actually saying is..............I support right to work legislation.

[-] 4 points by shoozTroll (17632) 5 years ago

I know.

He's never said a single word in support of an existing major union.

Lord knows I've tried. He'll dance 'round and 'round, then start a new thread he feels is popular, to change the subject and to avoid saying anything positive about them.

He's done this several times.

[-] 2 points by GirlFriday (17435) 5 years ago

I don't understand why it was necessary to lie about it.

[-] 3 points by shoozTroll (17632) 5 years ago

Honesty's not a "thing" among puppet and bot users and endorsers.

He won't say anything bad about those either.

He never did, even during trashy's overt co-option.

[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 5 years ago

You're mostly just a grumpy, whining, lying jerk, but I'm sure you already know that.

As that seems to be your planned MO.


99%, issue and brain free.