Forum Post: Tea Party trying to dig up dirt on OWS
Posted 12 years ago on Oct. 13, 2011, 2:31 p.m. EST by oceanweed
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ows from start has been democratic and all republicans do nothing but demonize the movement read the signs listen to the people and see tax rich get money out of politics end wars have never been backed by republicans tax cuts for middle class modernize roads and bridges invest in middle class not banking class by raising minimum wage thats the occupy wall street message
The text of your post doesn't substantiate your claim in the title. Did you just need another excuse to post your same tired old diatribe?
MSNBC just reported that some of the tea party groups are trying to dig up dirt about people participating in the owls protests. They are also trying to raise money using owls as a reason. Don't attack me for being a liberal because I'm a independent and have voted for some republicans in the past until that party went off the deep end. Some of that scare me if the got in charge of all parts of the government. They have gotten to radical ,
im fighting for the middle class not some spoiled brat that blames both sides read the signs and talk to the people and see tax the rich and get money out of politics will never get republican leader support
Are you sure you're not a spoiled brat? Or are you just trying to get attention? Keep on working to make the movement political. It will really help with its chances for success.
ows is not about compromise this a protest moron
You are intellectually lazy, ultra partisan and have no idea what you are protesting, either for or against. I was going to challenge you to substantiate your initial post in exchange for a full apology, but someone already chimed in with part of the answer.
You see, I actually thought that OWS was about highlighting and fixing the excesses of Wall Street. That's worth the effort and many people of all stripes can get on board with that. Then, those like yourself began to turn this into a partisan battle and tell others to go away, you are worthless to the cause because they are Republicans or TEA Party members. That is hurting, rather than helping, the cause.
Now, I'm not sure what a "protest moron" is, exactly, but I think you fit the mold.
For what it's worth, if you want to do a little research and thinking and want to write a little paragraph, using proper English and grammar, and show how the title of your post is factually correct, I'll offer that apology.
conservatives join us ows will not join the the tea party ows is not for compromise obama tried
Failed!
yeah time for the republican party to go this a revolution of dems and independents end wars tax rich have never been backed by republicans
Do you REALLY think that this caustic rhetoric that you spew is going to attract independents? You are more delusional that I thought.
do you think we care either you re for the middle class or against us
I'm not sure what "we" you're referring to, unless you are either conjoined twins or have multiple personalities.
Should any one care about your opinions if you care not of the opinions of others?
this a middle class tax the rich movement read the signs and talk to the majority not the minority
So this has nothing to do with Wall Street? It has no other purpose but to tax the "rich" and redistribute it to the poor? This whole thing is as simple as "tax the rich"? Are you sure? Are you saying that this is what it is to you or do you speak for the entire set of OWS protesters?
Is the OWS is the left's version of the TEA Party or is this a partisan event designed to elect mobilize Democrats to get out to vote for politicians that will push their agenda? Or is it bigger than that? Does it cross party lines to address some of the ills that exist and are non-partisan in nature?
im saying there are no republicans views here or wanted the movement
I think I can say, without fear of contradiction, that your views are not the official views of the OWS.
I just realized something. You are really a right wing troll who is trying to make sure that the OWS fails. I can't believe you sucked me in. Well, I'm wise to you now.
"ows from start has been democratic and all republicans do nothing but demonize the movement"
Are you suggesting that this has been a Democrat versus Republican movement right from the start? If so, that simply validates the arguments being made against the OWS right from the get-go. Your comment does nothing but serves to further divide those who blindly support this movement from those who are objectively trying to understand it and find reason to rally around it.
last time I checked tax rich end wars get money out of politics have never been backed by a republican leader and never will ows are tired of trying to compromise with tea party hostage takers obama tried
How's that whole "end the wars" thing going for the Obama administration? Oh yeah, continue the wars and drone drop bombs on three other sovereign nations (Pakistan, Yemen, and Libya). Ds and Rs are both part of the same establishment and until people like you can get that through your thick skulls - stop assigning blame, and start trying to work with people who have differing viewpoints, you will get nowhere.
stop the fox spin and go back to the tea party
So it's Fox spin to mention the highlights of Obama's stellar foreign policy record of authorizing attacks on sovereign nations? Hmmmm... oh yeah, you have no real logical retort so you resort to the 3rd grade bullying mentality. Got it. Oh yeah, I forgot, I didn't vote for Obama because he was black... ummm, hmmm... what race am I again?
why cant you support tax the rich
What does that have to do with ending wars? I didn't address that part of your statement for or against, so where do I stand on that topic? No, instead I asked about the "ending the wars" thing and addressed how your messiah is no better than Bush was... See, my goal here is not to debate any of the points with you, but rather expose you and your leftist-driven agenda - that you bark for without even realizing that you are barking both for and against your own opinions since you back a war mongering president who was given a Nobel Peace Prize on a hope - before he proceeded to bomb 3 sovereign nations... I agree with you, end the wars - so let's get someone who will do that AND not start more wars.
I agree with what Oceanweed said to some extent. This is not about compromising with the Tea Party. If they like the message then they can join us. If not then they can keep watching Fox News. We also have to remember, this is not about politics or political ideology. Those who can't grasp that will end up being very disappointed.
I Think what oceanweed was saying was democratic as in the system of government, not the political party.
I think what oceanweed said was very clear (opinion based on other oceanweed postings and the unabashed support for the Democratic party that oceanweed proclaims). Context is everything, and the context was very clear - and then confirmed by the response, which was yet another attack on Republicans.
That reply was not there when I made my post...
I retract my hopeful statement...
It's all good. It's sad when people like me (who are on the fence for supporting) have to keep calling out those who proclaim to be a part of the OWS for completely misrepresenting the spirit and tone of the movement (as it wants to exist).
Exactly.
Can you smoke oceanweed? Or... is it too wet? Maybe we should hang oceanweed out to dry.
can you support the middle class
Raising the minimum wage is NOT what the wall street message is. By inflating the minimum wage you are essentially acting like the Fed. You are going to inflate the dollar and corporations will pass this onto you in the stealth tax called inflation.
Don't be naive to economic fact.
The message of Occupy Wall Street is diverse, but it seems to me that the overwhelming majority of the message is divorcing corporations from politics.
read the signs and talk to the people and you will see that they support my ideals no question about it
Some do, some don't. A lot of people are simply supporting a movement and adding their .02 to the discussion.
The movement was started as a movement against the Fed and a movement against corporations in politics and corporate personhood. Additionally, it was against the bailout.
Anything other than that, in my opinion, has been added.
And just because people "support your ideals" doesn't mean you are correct. Economic fact is economic fact. You might as well join the "creationists" and the "climate deniers" if you doubt what is a simple fact about money and the human ego.
All you would do, in your construction, is shift the poor to a wage of $115k. Now since you seem to be opposed to economic theory - ask yourself what $115k is today. A decent living, right? What about 30 years ago? A ton of money. What about 60 years ago? Flat out rich. WHY?!?!
Because of the exact method of the dilution of the money you propose. Your one caveat is that we won't reward innovation since we would all make the same money. You would all but thwart individuality - which is the exact component that makes this a free nation.
So, I'll read the signs and still know that your concept is flawed and naive.
There are better, more just ways of accomplishing social change and more equal society.
like I said ows from start has been democratic and all republicans do nothing but demonize the movement read the signs listen to the people and see tax rich get money out of politics end wars have never been backed by republicans tax cuts for middle class modernize roads and bridges invest in middle class not banking class by raising minimum wage thats the occupy wall street messaged
Again, you distort the meaning of the word democracy. Further you do no justice to the movement by decrying republicans. This is a non-partisan movement.
Tax: There should be more taxation on the wealthy if we maintain a marginal tax rate system. The bands should be elongated due to the changing value of the dollar and there should be an additional bracket or two added for the supremely well to do.
Get Money Out Of Politics: This is actual an issue on both sides of the Republican and Democrat. This impacts everyone - and almost everyone I've talked to, whatever their political view agrees this needs changing.
End Wars: Don't try to make this political. Most people want out of the wars we are in. Conservatives used to be very insular and not militant. It's the money in politics that motivates the war machine.
Tax Cuts For The Middle Class: Nonsense. Everyone needs to pay their fair share. The middle class should not get some special opt outs. Sorry, no.
Modernize Roads: Forget that. Modernize the entire infrastructure. When America invests in itself it is a stronger nation.
Invest In Middle Class: What does this even mean? The government should be near impartial.
Raising the Minimum Wage: Does nothing but inflate the dollar. You can set it at whatever price point you want - the economy will shift so that the value of the dollar's purchasing power is less than what it is today.
again these things have no republican leader support
No they don't. Nor do they have true democrat support other than lip service and pandering.
The entire political machine is broken and pointing the finger at people you don't philosophically agree with is what they want you to do. It keeps them in power and keeps your anger misdirected.
lets see dems want healthcare and tax the corporate pigs one of the reasons why ows was started we are not about compromise either you are with ows or the tea party
OceanWeed,
With your ultimatum you remind me of an ex-president -- I believe his name was George W. Bush.
OWS was never started for healthcare or tax the corporate pigs. Sorry, that's just incorrect and a revision of history. It may eventually devolve into that - but it is not currently about that and was never founded on those ideals.
Don't presume to speak for the movement. It's bigger than you.
you re a lie read the signs and talk to the protestors tax the rich is a pillar in the ows movement
I'm a lie? Is that even english? I mean, I'm here and completely conscious of my own being - so I can't be a physically manifested lie. Whatever do you mean?
Anyhow, insulting your grammar aside -- there is no pillar in the OWS movement. There are a lot of people that agree that there needs to be a higher tax rate on wealthy individuals. There are also a lot of people that want political reform.
It's one of the things bringing the movement down. There is no unified goal.
What can be said is that the movement started as an anti-federal reserve and a "get money out of politics" movement. And like I said, it may take on a different form over time - but the only pillar of the movement, in my estimation is "get money out of politics". It's the one that started the movement.
Personally, I think "tax the rich" is a pathetic pillar to the movement. At best it does nothing except exacerbate the issue of government spending and at worst it chases the money away. That's not to say there shouldn't be tax reform and that loopholes should be closed. But the goal should first be to hold politicians accountable for rampant government spending on both left and right issues and the funneling of our tax dollars to the corporate elites.
I pay in the highest tax bracket and am one of the 1%. I have no problem paying a higher tax percentage -- but I don't want to pay it to what amounts to a spendaholic let loose in the Mall of America. The government needs checks and balances on fiscal issues before you can ask people to contribute more to the broken system.
Tossing money into the government coffers isn't going to affect change.
Reform of the political machine. Accountability for government spending. Spending within budget. Reduction in powers over the states. Money out of politics.
That's how you fix the mess.
"Taxing the rich" as a platform is nothing more than spiteful vengeance and doesn't leave this country any better off.
republicans leaders will never support get money out of politics due to the fact they have the most ties to the 1% while democrats already support it
And you honestly think that Democrat leaders don't? Are you really that naive?
Both these parties are corrupt to the core and do not represent the American dream or people. You might as well call it the republicrat party. Until you realize that none of these people represent you and that they all have a vested interest in lining their own pockets and fleecing the American people you will continue to miss half the parade.
A perfect example is Obama. He had months of pure democratic leadership - did anything change? Or was it more status quo?
Neither party is going to want to give up the golden goose. There is too much money in being for sale. They may pander to us and give us a bunch of lip service ... but all of them have sold us out.
stop the dylan ratigan bull
Oh, it's Dylan Ratigan bull now is it? I mean, he's the first person to have issues with the Supreme Court overturning two precedents to allow the donations to be protected under the first amendment? He's the first person to ever take affront to the idea of corporate personage.
I guess the way you get out of an debate you aren't informed enough to discuss is to simply toss out nonsense, eh?
he blames both side as equal which is misleading
Says you.
Both sides are equal in corruption. One just plays the right lip service to your political ideology. So you like to think they are good guys.
Meanwhile the other side feels quite similar about their team.
All the while, they are all in bed together.
I've said it before, and I'll say it again: One of the main pillars of Conservative propaganda is that both parties are the same. Nothing they say is further from the truth. It is an insidious lie intended to demoralize progressives, and discourage them from voting. Do not fall for this canard, because if both parties are the same, there is no hope for change, and therefore no reason to vote. The truth is that there is a difference between the parties. A stark difference! One party works for the rich, the other party works for all Americans. One party takes money from the needy to feed the greedy, and the other party takes money from the greedy to feed the needy. One party has plans and policies to create jobs, and the other party has a long list of lame excuses for not doing anything. Liberals want to change things. Conservatives want things to stay the same. There is a difference. One party wants to tax the rich, and the other party wants to tax the poor. One party wants to destroy Unions, and the other party wants to support them. One party supports the Occupation of Wall Street, and the other party doesn’t. One party wants to rebuild America, and the other party doesn’t. One party wants to provide health care for all, and the other party doesn’t. One party wants to regulate Wall Street, and the other party doesn’t. One Party wants to end the wars; the other party wants them to go on forever. There is a difference. One party is Myopic, and the other party is Far Sighted. One party wants to help the Middle Class, and the other party is at war with the Middle Class. One party wants to fire Teachers, and the other party wants to hire them. One party wants to create more jobs in America, and the other party wants to create more jobs in Asia. There is a difference. One party wants to protect pensions, and the other party wants to loot them. One party has a heart, and the other party has Ann Coulter. One party protects the right bear Arms, and the other party protects the right of freedom of assembly. One party believes that the only role for the Government is to provide for the common defense, and the other party believes that the Government should also promote the general Welfare. There is a difference, and anybody that tells you there is no difference between the parties is simply not conversant with reality. In addition, anyone that blames the Democrats for the current state of affairs has no understanding of who controls the Government. One Party has the Presidency, and the other party has the Majority in the House, controls the Senate, has a majority on the Supreme Court, and is responsible for current economic policy. So, if you’re angry, and you want to start a real fight, I submit that we should start a real fight with the Conservatives! America has a Two Party System. One party is clearly on your side, the other party thinks you’re and Anti-American mob. At some point in time you’re going to have to pick one. Choose wisely, your future is at stake
First, that is a massive brick of text. Hard to read.
Second, you are so disgustingly incorrect it appalls me.
This is just nonsense in the form of self-justification. You're making claims about something simply to denounce them - whether or not the claims are backed in reality.
Conservatives, meanwhile, see the liberal agenda in a similar light. Picking topics and making wholesale declarations not founded in reality.
It's what is tearing this nation apart. We've retreated so far into our political trenches we can't see that the majority of the nation are in the middle with leanings toward one side or the other ... and these extreme, nonsensical generalities do nothing to engender yourself to them.
thats a lie and im glad ows does not support your views
What's a lie?
That you wrote a brick of text? Well, yes. You are correct, words are not stone or mortar -- so technically speaking you are correct it would be a lie. Although I like to think of it more as an exaggeration or metaphor.
Or did you mean the disgustingly incorrect? Well, it is my opinion - so it is hardly a lie. Maybe I'm incorrect in response, but hardly a lie.
Or did you mean that I was lying about conservatives viewing liberals as ripping this nation apart? I am certainly not lying about that. They definitely feel that the liberal agenda is weakening this nation and turning us into a welfare nation dependent on big government.
Maybe you thought I was lying about the growing disparity between the two parties and how they seem to be becoming more fundamental in their beliefs rather than more rational and reaching a middle ground? That, too, is an opinion. Although I think a correct one.
Or finally you thought I was lying when I said that the majority of Americans lie in the middle of the two extremes. Well, that's just simple logic and a fact. Most people, by nature, aren't extremists.
With all that said, I've never stated my views so I find it hard to believe that you could possibly be glad whether OWS supports them or not.
You started this thing with absurdly talking about a system of wealth distribution that runs counter to any and all economic knowledge. When this point was proven and you could not argue it further, you changed course. Have we reached that point again and you are no longer able to coherently discuss your points?
you are not ows go back to herman cain
I'm glad you speak for the entire movement. OWS needed a leader (not really, but for the sake of sarcasm it did).
I'm also glad you are able to tell me what candidate I would vote for and my political viewpoint -- simply because I disagree with you divisiveness.
Your rhetoric is pathetic. You don't have a logical leg to stand on and your points are invalid.
When you're better equipped to debate or pontificate on your ideas -- then come back to me.
so whose your third party canidate
No one.
I am a permanent resident of the nation, but a Canadian citizen. I have elected not to renounce my citizenship. As such, I cannot vote.
With that said, I have spent the majority of my life here and have my JD in constitutional law.
Let me give you a basis for why I want you to stop being divisive:
I am not a liberal nor am I a conservative. I base my opinion on the issue at hand.
I am not part of the 99%. I am part of the 1%. I still support the OWS movement with all of my being.
When people try to co-opt the movement or politicize it - I rail against it because continuing the spiral of political split along ideological thought we will not unify over issues we all can agree on.
but by people blaming both sides causes others not to vote and that wont help anybody
Anyhow, I'm hitting the hay for the night. It's almost 2am and I have work in only a few short hours (not being a smartass with that).
I have had fun verbally sparring - if only now we seem to be coming to a common eye level conversation. If you respond, I will be sure to try to respond tomorrow.
Good luck and happy protesting. :P
Maybe that's so. Maybe not voting is our best way of showing that we no longer believe in the current dream that is our government?
I don't know what the best answer here is.
Maybe some of the people here are right and that a new party that runs on a non-partisan reform platform is the right answer?
At this point, it is my belief that it won't matter who is sitting in any political seat. The change required is going to be a tough sell. We are going to have to force our hand and our will as a nation.
The only way for this nation to flex it's collective muscle is to be unified. The only way to be unified is to have non-partisan, uniform thought. We need to be united on an ideal rather than an ideology.
In comparison, if every liberal and democrat mind in America decided to join - we would represent only a fraction of the power of the vast majority of ALL Americans who are currently disenfranchised.
See what I'm getting at?
If we can mobilize the 70-80% of Americans who are frustrated and disenfranchised - it won't matter who is in office or what their agenda is. We will be heard.
thats why you are worng about ows from start we said get money out of politics not get rid of government
Did I say something about getting rid of government?
by blaming both sides you are note going to vote
I'm not going to vote because I don't have the right.
My question was whether or not complete withdrawal from participation would actually make a bigger statement of unrest?
When you want to show a company you don't like their practices you boycott their product. What happens when you boycott your government?
The democratic party will neuter this movement.
Maybe this movement with "occupy" the Democratic party eventually? :-) See: "Third Parties Don't Work: Why and How Egalitarians Should Transform the Democratic Party" by G. William Domhoff http://sociology.ucsc.edu/whorulesamerica/change/science_egalitarians.html "This document first explains why third parties cannot work in the United States. Then it explains how and why it would now be possible to transform the Democratic Party into a nationwide liberal-labor-left coalition, thanks to the Civil Rights Movement of the 1960s, which forced the southern white racists who previously controlled the party into the Republican Party. ... In the longer run, however, the Civil Rights Movement had a much bigger impact on the structure of American politics. It freed the Democratic Party from inevitable control by conservatives. For the first time in American history, it became possible to create a nationwide liberal/labor/African-American/environmentalist/Hispanic/feminist/Asian-American/gay-lesbian/left/egalitarian coalition within the Democratic Party. Such a coalition has not been built for a number of reasons, including the fact that the most energetic egalitarians are not willing to join and the trade unionists are only gradually becoming more hospitable to environmentalists, people of color, and feminists. But the potential is now there. Whether it ever will be used is another question."
Not on our watch, Paul.
've said it before, and I'll say it again: One of the main pillars of Conservative propaganda is that both parties are the same. Nothing they say is further from the truth. It is an insidious lie intended to demoralize progressives, and discourage them from voting. Do not fall for this canard, because if both parties are the same, there is no hope for change, and therefore no reason to vote. The truth is that there is a difference between the parties. A stark difference! One party works for the rich, the other party works for all Americans. One party takes money from the needy to feed the greedy, and the other party takes money from the greedy to feed the needy. One party has plans and policies to create jobs, and the other party has a long list of lame excuses for not doing anything. Liberals want to change things. Conservatives want things to stay the same. There is a difference. One party wants to tax the rich, and the other party wants to tax the poor. One party wants to destroy Unions, and the other party wants to support them. One party supports the Occupation of Wall Street, and the other party doesn’t. One party wants to rebuild America, and the other party doesn’t. One party wants to provide health care for all, and the other party doesn’t. One party wants to regulate Wall Street, and the other party doesn’t. One Party wants to end the wars; the other party wants them to go on forever. There is a difference. One party is Myopic, and the other party is Far Sighted. One party wants to help the Middle Class, and the other party is at war with the Middle Class. One party wants to fire Teachers, and the other party wants to hire them. One party wants to create more jobs in America, and the other party wants to create more jobs in Asia. There is a difference. One party wants to protect pensions, and the other party wants to loot them. One party has a heart, and the other party has Ann Coulter. One party protects the right bear Arms, and the other party protects the right of freedom of assembly. One party believes that the only role for the Government is to provide for the common defense, and the other party believes that the Government should also promote the general Welfare. There is a difference, and anybody that tells you there is no difference between the parties is simply not conversant with reality. In addition, anyone that blames the Democrats for the current state of affairs has no understanding of who controls the Government. One Party has the Presidency, and the other party has the Majority in the House, controls the Senate, has a majority on the Supreme Court, and is responsible for current economic policy. So, if you’re angry, and you want to start a real fight, I submit that we should start a real fight with the Conservatives! America has a Two Party System. One party is clearly on your side, the other party thinks you’re and Anti-American mob. At some point in time you’re going to have to pick one. Choose wisely, your future is at stake
Dude, you sound like a troll...
I've said it before, and I'll say it again: One of the main pillars of Conservative propaganda is that both parties are the same. Nothing they say is further from the truth. It is an insidious lie intended to demoralize progressives, and discourage them from voting. Do not fall for this canard, because if both parties are the same, there is no hope for change, and therefore no reason to vote. The truth is that there is a difference between the parties. A stark difference! One party works for the rich, the other party works for all Americans. One party takes money from the needy to feed the greedy, and the other party takes money from the greedy to feed the needy. One party has plans and policies to create jobs, and the other party has a long list of lame excuses for not doing anything. Liberals want to change things. Conservatives want things to stay the same. There is a difference. One party wants to tax the rich, and the other party wants to tax the poor. One party wants to destroy Unions, and the other party wants to support them. One party supports the Occupation of Wall Street, and the other party doesn’t. One party wants to rebuild America, and the other party doesn’t. One party wants to provide health care for all, and the other party doesn’t. One party wants to regulate Wall Street, and the other party doesn’t. One Party wants to end the wars; the other party wants them to go on forever. There is a difference. One party is Myopic, and the other party is Far Sighted. One party wants to help the Middle Class, and the other party is at war with the Middle Class. One party wants to fire Teachers, and the other party wants to hire them. One party wants to create more jobs in America, and the other party wants to create more jobs in Asia. There is a difference. One party wants to protect pensions, and the other party wants to loot them. One party has a heart, and the other party has Ann Coulter. One party protects the right bear Arms, and the other party protects the right of freedom of assembly. One party believes that the only role for the Government is to provide for the common defense, and the other party believes that the Government should also promote the general Welfare. There is a difference, and anybody that tells you there is no difference between the parties is simply not conversant with reality. In addition, anyone that blames the Democrats for the current state of affairs has no understanding of who controls the Government. One Party has the Presidency, and the other party has the Majority in the House, controls the Senate, has a majority on the Supreme Court, and is responsible for current economic policy. So, if you’re angry, and you want to start a real fight, I submit that we should start a real fight with the Conservatives! America has a Two Party System. One party is clearly on your side, the other party thinks you’re and Anti-American mob. At some point in time you’re going to have to pick one. Choose wisely, your future is at stake
The republic is really at stake. For if we continue down the path of big goverment that uses backdoor tactics (cabinet administration such as the E.P.A. and I.R.S.) to bypass congress then we might just end up with only the elite class and the poor in this country. Just remember , "A goverment that gives you everything you want, is a goverment that can take everything you have" Thomas Jefferson"
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thanks tea peeper now move along
There is no doubt that the tea party talking heads running the news circuit are dissing the OWS as much as possible. Much of this action is already evident. We can thank the tea party directly for not having a jobs bill right now. It pretty obvious that OWS & the tea party are on different sides. And the tea party now has a reputation which always precedes it for protecting the rich, the 1%. In fact, for those of us who are paying closer attention realize that they were getting infusions of cashola from the Koch Brothers & other greedy billionaires looking to become trillionaires because enough is never enough.
thats my point by blaming both sides as equal is misleading and will only make people not vote which is what republicans want
Oceanweed, yes sir! You are correct. Dems are not clean by any means but the repugs are mostly repugnant (thereby the nickname). They are the party of tax cuts for the rich which were supposed to create all these jobs for us. Not! We never got them and we're still waiting, they still have those tax cuts. (They call them the job creators , I guess that's now happening in some parallel universe)
Also the repugs were the leading proponents of deregulation, and well, we got the crash which almost completely destroyed our economy. These two things Tax Cuts & Deregulation, have been the repug mantra for decades now. Well, we now living in the World they wanted.
It most definitely is true when anyone is saying both parties equally share the blame, it is utter BS, and the facts, for anyone who cares to check, prove just the opposite. They are just parroting a party line and don't know what fact-checking means.
We must check our facts and say the truth when we say we are. The truth is on the side of OWS but we must work to understand it or, well......let's just say we have the forum now, let's not waste it. Truth comes through research, effort, listening, and learning.
ows from start has been democratic and all republicans do nothing but demonize the movement read the signs listen to the people and see tax rich get money out of politics end wars have never been backed by republicans tax cuts for middle class modernize roads and bridges invest in middle class not banking class by raising minimum wage thats the occupy wall street message
I like what you are saying, I think. But could you please use punctuation? At least a period at the end of your sentences. It would hep?
Punctuate much (not!)?
lol
Oceanweed is either a fail troll, or a left wing shill sent in to gin up hate against all things conservative. Better to just ignore him.
Youre quite the troll yourself.
ows is not for compromising with conservatives or tea party you join us or go back to the tea party
Like you speak for OWS, moron. Read the posts on this thread. Seems most feel your commentary is designed to divide and hurt the OWS movement.
they only disagree online hiding behind computers funny smells like republican trolls
So now you are saying that everything on this forum is incorrect, and what you say more properly represents OWS?
Why don't you just anoint yourself leader of the movement. Oh wait, you just did.
says the media. i will hold out for an interview with said dirt digger(s)
Reuters news service found links between OWS and a group called Adbusters in Canada. If you check the adbusters website, it's all about protests and protests and protests.
Reuters researched harder and found financial links between George Soros and Adbusters.
Its not a link. Its common knowledge. OWS, and this site are both founded and funded by Adbusters out of Canada. Not exactly shocking, outside of the fact nobody seems to care.
stop the fox spin
I think Adbusters' involvement is more interesting than the Soros stuff. We know about Soros already. Adbusters is not even an American group. They're based out of British Columbia.
stop trying to divide ows tea party troll
You are doing a nice job of that, all on your own.
I'm not all that worried about it ... http://reidreport.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/Tea-Party-hat.jpg
Divide and Conquer oceanweed. Let's make it all about us v. them and never resolve a damn thing. I am so sick of this Left v Right, OWS v. Tea Party, Soros v. Koch Bros bullshit.
I think, even more interesting than the Soros links, is Adbusters' involvement. They're Canadian. Pull up Network Solutions' website and run the whois on their domain name, see for yourself. They're based out of British Columbia.
I Think what oceanweed was saying was democratic as in the system of government, not the political party.
No he really means dem vs. repub. He IS a divider.
I see that now...
I retract my hopeful statement...
fuck the tea party hostage takers compromising is over
They should not have to dig, all they have to di is scrape it off of you.
stop the fox spin you are not ows
If I am the 99% I am OWS, right? Insults are free to anyone who wants them. No party affiliation here.
its people like you that have took the term 99% out of context we are the real americans not what the tea party claimed they were the average american
so, my Passport, birth certificate, and drivers license does not make me "American" enough for you? Wow, I had no idea.
im just saying understand a movement before blindly throwing ideals that have never been ows from start
Pay no mind to this oceanweed. Been spouting off DNC and MSNBC talking points for days. Same post everytime. No grammer or punctuation. Everytime someone says something he doesn't like he says "stop the fox spin". Showing the weakness of his arguments. He most definatly does not represent the whole of this movement. No matter how much he spews MSNBC crap.
majority of ows support my ideals of tax rich end wars and modernize roads and bridges republicans are doing damage by themselves by demonizing the movement im just making sure that ows knows who there up against
Actually, I know one of the facilitators and have known about this coming for a very long time. I do not agree with it, but I am very familiar with it.
what?
I am just saying that I am not throwing anything out there that I do not know to be factual. Just because I do not agree with the movement does not mean I do not know what it is or any of the players.
wtf are saying?
Not the brightest bulb on the Christmas tree?
They are just going after the wrong enemy. The head of the snake is in our purchased politicians(both parties), Wall street does not vote on legislation that allows for corruption. They do however buy the politicians who do. Seems to me the one taking the bribe is more guilty then the one offering. But both are still guilty.
If Obamas Democratic Majority thought his jobs bill was worth backing then they would have defeated the Republican Minority and passed it. Obamas precious base dosn't fully support him. So, as commander and chief community organizer he calls on unions, S.E.I.U. and the likes to pay people to demonstrate. Eventually, people will be inserted in to these protest to insight violence. As far as raising the min. wage, this is entry level pay. It was never designed to support a family. Adding to your skill set, making a positive difference in your work place and getting promoted based on performance should be the goal. As far as roads and bridges, Obama was talking this same crap in 2008 and 09 about shovel ready projects and passed a stimulas bill which only sent a majority of the money to states to those politicians who voted for it. The rest of this money is most likely being held back or funnel thru his buddies for the 2012 campaign and to pay protestors to sit on their fourth point of contact and stir up trouble or cause havoac at voting locations.
it takes 60 to pass 8 republicans will still have to vote 50 dems only 2 didint stop the fox spin and get with facts
ows from start has been democratic and all republicans do nothing but demonize the movement read the signs listen to the people and see tax rich get money out of politics end wars have never been backed by republicans tax cuts for middle class modernize roads and bridges invest in middle class not banking class by raising minimum wage thats the occupy wall street message
ows from start has been democratic and all republicans do nothing but demonize the movement read the signs listen to the people and see tax rich get money out of politics end wars have never been backed by republicans tax cuts for middle class modernize roads and bridges invest in middle class not banking class by raising minimum wage thats the occupy wall street message
ows from start has been democratic and all republicans do nothing but demonize the movement read the signs listen to the people and see tax rich get money out of politics end wars have never been backed by republicans tax cuts for middle class modernize roads and bridges invest in middle class not banking class by raising minimum wage thats the occupy wall street message
Is this trash English?
are republicans trying to divide ows?
OWS is dividing "itself".
we are rooting out conservative republicans tea peepers
It only appears to be a democratic operation because OWS is spouting the same stuff President Obama has. The first protests coincided with Obamas "tax the rich". The first protests had speeches from top democratic politicians and heros. Unions and other interests shipped in protesters. They marched to the rich homes of conservative business owners while bypassing the cribs of liberal ones like Russell Simmons. They have had Al Sharpton and Rachel Madow cheering them on. I watched a protest on youtube where they didn't want somebody filming them in a public place and went on to call him a republican or suggested he was from texas. Prootesters saying "those people" or when another has a differing view they suggest they must be republican or wealthy.
It should be noted that republican and democrat politicians hated the Tea Party when it first came out. It took a while for that movement to be hijacked by the religious fanatics. OWS is coming in as a premade manufactured machine.
republicans are showing there true colors they hurt themselves by trying to hurt the movement