Forum Post: Take a Lesson From India.
Posted 13 years ago on Nov. 4, 2011, 1:49 a.m. EST by HitGirl
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OWS needs to take a lesson from India and rally behind a leader whose ethics cannot be questioned. Can I say Elizabeth Warren without being censored?
The Indian movement had millions backing. It was so successful that government of India had to listen and took action against corruption.
What we learn.
A. We need a leader. They had guy named hazare. He directly talked with prime minister with backing of million. The crowd behind him put OWS to shame..
B. They went directly to government and no lobbyist and got whatever they want to get done. They had one demand end corruption.
Indians are smart. I love these guys in US. I love their accent.
The thing is that it was partly a cultural thing. Not only was he a kind of cultural hero but the tactic of starving himself was used to evoke shame. It's seems like our politicians have little of that. Maybe the right idea is sufficient as long as millions are pushing for it.
+1 Elizabeth Warren.
My ethics are higher!
Then why are you using a sobriquet?
sobriquet? Dang, that's a new word to me! Many thanks! Cheers!
I do not trust certain factions in the movement to remain non-violent and I do not want my family to pay for their mistakes. I have been struggling with this. There are certain organizations within the government that will not hesitate to commit murder if it suits their ends. My ultimate intention is to put the crooks in jail and see a positive change in this nation and the world - a renewed sense of community etc.. With intentions and ideals that great one MUST be careful. In addition, I am highly intelligent and an asset to the movement. It is a simple strategy to preserve my usefulness.
Maybe...but it all sounds a bit egomaniacal.
What position or title do you hold in the group? Where did your alias come from? Are you a good friend to your friends?
Haha. I don't make any claims to titles. I have few friends but that just makes us all closer. My alias is from a movie. I don't even remember it's name. And I hit my boyfriend a lot so he likes calling me that.
I knew it would sound that way to you. sorry I am only telling the truth as I know it to be. I am not infallible by any means and readily admit when I am wrong.
"My ethics are higher!" That just sounds egomaniacal. But let's say it was true. Are you a charismatic leader? How have you tried to address the crimes of the One-percent?
which one of us going to set himself on fire?
I heard cops beat the crap out of you and there is no ACLU to defend.
Isn't that Tunisia?
currently, but protesters in india have been doing it for centuries. And i remember in the viet nams they were doing it.
Really? India too? People are crazy.
they feel strongly enough, but don't want to commit violence on anyone else. There have been real protests in the world. remember tanks killing in tianeman square? (chinese protesting against communism and for capitalism and freedom which they have now, finally after all their efforts) Occupy is kind of protest 'light'.
I think they were protesting for democracy. And the Chinese are far from free. Let me guess...you are one of the free-market libertarians? All bow before the power of the free-market. It is a magical place of cotton-candy clouds and industrious munchkins. Only, on closer inspection, the cotton-candy clouds are causing acid rain and the munchkins are children working 50 hour weeks.
whoa girlfriend. China has been communist since mao. Students protesting in Tianeman square protested against that, and for freedom, I didn't make that up lol. Chinese might be far from free, but they worked hard to get this far away from communism! many died to do it, so dont spit on their lives to die for their freedoms until you have the same willingness to die for your freedoms. I can't believe im hearing you diss on chinese protesters who died for their rights. have some respect for protesters. I might only be out in the cold 1/2 days at our local camp, and am not willing to die for my rights, but dang, you cold.
You are a typical free-market evangelist. You put your own negative spin on everything I said while dodging the real substance of my message. Are you so afraid to defend your free-market ideals? It is YOU who dishonor those who died in Tianeman square by pretending they died for your sick version of capitalism when that was the furthest thing from their mind. They died for personal freedom and democracy. How dare you smear their message to promote your 1% agenda!
im leading our town's camp. go take a midol.
Then your towns camp must be pretty f*cked-up. Hard to believe a bunch of OWSer's glorifying predatory capitalism. Maybe you're just a bold liar.
and maybe you are wildly over reacting as a defense to your errors
I made no errors.
Communists who read Hayek and Friedman. http://bloodandtreasure.typepad.com/blood_treasure/2006/11/hayekian_dictat.html
Yea..those Indians go MONTHS without bathing. Man up you wimps.
I understand that sentiment, and agree with you about Warren, but can't you see that leaders=vulnerability. We must all be the leaders! It simply isn't possible to abdicate this responcibility and hope someone else will solve it for us.
Just so long as it works.
I just don't see how leaders will make it worrk better. Once someone is identified as a leader than they can be discredited for either actual failings, or trumped up ones and the result is the same, discredit to the movement. Leaders are also vulnerable, and don't have a great life expectancy in real populist movements, as opposed to the front movements engineered by corporate interests, such as the tea party movement. Furthermore, how can leaders express our aims better than we ourselves can? As long as it works? Yes, less hope it works, but even great leaders can't guarentee that anything works - so I don't see the adavantage of leaders here either. I would honestly like to hear someone explain what exactly a leader would do for this movement.
My thinking is that the leader served as a kind of focus, a living representation of the peoples will. Then he carries out the whole drama of starving himself like a ritual. As if to say, "your corruption is starving the will of the people." I believe in India the politicians could not have let such a popular figure die without suffering some form of shunning and political upheaval.
How many fuck'in times does it have to be said? NO LEADERS! That is the basis of corruption.
Then who will tell what OWS wants. Now it looks OWS wants everything free. Don't mind that is the impression. We want that rich makes money and give to us.
Gosh, I just don't know the answer to that...hmmmm....Hey do you think it might be GET THE FUCK'IN MONEY OUT OF POLITICS! Oh but that is probably to complicated to understand.
It worked in India.
You've got to be kidding me.
Kidding?...WTF?
She is a socialist. That's not what we want in the U.S. and the best way to label the movement.
"She is a socialist." ?
Troll!
If you think EW is a socialist, you are just repeating Republican talking points. Republicans are the ass-kissing servants of the 1%. So must you be.
Warren on the CFPB, "make basic financial practices such as taking out a mortgage or loan more clear and transparent while ferreting out unfair lending practices." She wants the Government to decide how to write contracts between private borrowers and private lenders; therefore, I call her a socialist.
A serious leader demands the people he/she leads be serious. She doesn't even demand the people she leads know how to read.
Thank you for posting that. I doubt that there are many Americans that would disagree with transparency in lending and fair lending practices. You have made my point, ass-kissing servant of the 1%.
I know I for one fuckin' HATE when the government tells us how to write our loan contracts.
HATE it! Those FBI mooks can't take a joke, either.
"She doesn't even demand the people she leads know how to read." ?
Troll!
Yeah but she an elitist troll .
Hahvahd? U r jokin if course....
You're the Troll. The elitists beat her up in the House. Are you too f*ckin stupid to realize that???
U callin names cause scared. When was she in the house? She's a fuckin Obama croney elitist snob control freak.
You don't even know what the House is?? Ignorant troll.
Name calling some more. When was the elitist tool Warren ever in the House?
When they called her in to beat her up, troll.
That's the truth! Keep typing!
She was never nominated for any position. She had an czar role.
Czars deserve to get questioned by the people. More name calling I see. You are full of anger.
As I recall the Republicans called her some unflattering names. They were angry too, because they hate it when someone has the unmitigated gall to tell the truth about what the 1% are doing to this country.
Now you seem calmer, but are engaging in transference. They did it too-ism.
She failed in DC because her power grab attempt was too large. Now she is trying the same grab in MA. Good luck with that.
"...her power grab..." ?
Troll!
Now you too are name calling.
Yes the woman has an overwhelming desire to control economic forces she personally finds distasteful. That is a power grab. She did not want accountability but she wants to be in government...
More like the .1% have an overwhelming desire to control political forces in order to rob and enslave the American people, whom they find distasteful. That makes you either a traitor to America, a paid shill or a very stupid troll.
Astounding! 37 words and only one fact!
"Now you too are name calling."
Troll!