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Forum Post: Subversives on this Site

Posted 2 years ago on April 4, 2012, 12:50 p.m. EST by uhandleit (43)
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Appears to me reading the posts that there are a lot of 1% ers on line trying to subvert our cause. We the 99% really need to stick together and be watchful.

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[-] 3 points by GypsyKing (8719) 2 years ago

Thanks for the post. Those of us who have been here awhile are well aware of that fact - witness the comments below. But there are also many here who are sincere and dedicated. Don't let the trolls chase you away.

[-] 2 points by brochomsky (208) from Brooklyn, NY 2 years ago

I don't think anyone in the 1% would really waste his or her time on this site.

[-] 2 points by uhandleit (43) 2 years ago

I don't agree.

[-] 1 points by bigbangbilly (594) 2 years ago

Actually they did wasted their time here a couple of times.

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[-] 0 points by JIFFYSQUID92 (-994) from Portland, OR 2 years ago

Let's be clear, "1%" is a general term that has all kinds of exceptions. Moore and Clooney are in the 1% and are good Americans, good liberals. The 1% we are referring to are a segment of the 1% who employ the Cons in our government to enact laws and polices that make them richer to the detriment of the rest of the world.

They would never go here, they employ zombies to do their dirty work. Try Craigslist Political boards, the zombies are in full censoring mode. They can't censor hear and it PISSES them off!!! Ha ha censor-fascists!!!

[-] 0 points by uhandleit (43) 2 years ago

REALLY ????

[-] 0 points by JIFFYSQUID92 (-994) from Portland, OR 2 years ago

I'm happy to help you, what is your question?

[-] 0 points by JuanFenito (847) 2 years ago

I have a question, is it okay that Al Gore is going to get rich off of cap and trade? Even though cap and trade is a good thing, shouldn't we distance ourselves from people with financial interest? Makes our argument look weak.

[-] 1 points by JIFFYSQUID92 (-994) from Portland, OR 2 years ago

This is not a liberal question, this is RW talking point rhetoric. Could you be misrepresenting yourself? Are you dishonest?

I can humor you though for the sake of other readers.

If Al Gore (the question presumes to tell the future) was doing what your typical Predatory Capitalist does (like the Koch Bros) I would be concerned. Here are 5 things I'm talking about:

NOT PAY TAXES -In order to maximize profits, they always seek to avoid or minimize their taxes.

ELIMINATE COMPETION -In order to maximize profits, they always seek to eliminate or control their competition.

CUT WAGES AND SALARIES - In order to maximize profits, they always seek to reduce their labor costs.

DISREGARD THE ENVIRONMENT - In order to maximize profits, they always seek to avoid all environmental restraints.

SELL DANGEROUS, HARMFUL PRODUCTS - In order to maximize profits, they are tempted to sell dangerous or harmful products.

Until then, Al Gore is not even in the ball park. Good things that make money and help society are... Great Things. Doesn't hurt our argument a bit, I think it helps.

[-] 0 points by JuanFenito (847) 2 years ago

No, I have no problem with Gore making money off of good things like cap and trade, and I wish him the best. And yes, it is liberal to question authority instead of blindly follow like the tea party Mini-Becks.

I don't have a problem with Gore personally, but what I do have a problem with is letting him speak for the green movement, because he is self-interested. It doesn't make the things he says untrue, but it makes for an easy counter argument. I realize everything he says is true, but I wan't to know why we can't let others without economic interests speak for the green movement.

[-] 0 points by JIFFYSQUID92 (-994) from Portland, OR 2 years ago

Choose your words. You have a problem with letting Al Gore speak? Ever hear of free speech? Gore, you and I speak for and where ever we fucking want. Gore is a celebrity, celebrities attract attention, attention makes change. Do you question the economical interest of everyone and everything? Get off the Fox Lies. Try progressive talk: http://www.thomhartmann.com/radio/listen-live | http://www.randirhodes.com/main.html | http://tunein.com/radio/The-Ed-Schultz-Show-p20211/ | there's a start.

[-] 0 points by JuanFenito (847) 2 years ago

Do I question the economic interest of everyone and everything? LOL!!!!!

Do you realize we live in a world where every last person is economically interested? Do you realize we live in a country where the rich and powerful can give as much money as they want to political campaigns? And you say I shouldn't question people's economic motives? What planet are you on?

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[-] 0 points by JIFFYSQUID92 (-994) from Portland, OR 2 years ago

Oh, then if that's the case, you must be very VERY Liberal!

[-] 0 points by tomahawk (-21) 2 years ago

That's a stupid,sophomoric and pathetic reply,but I know you are doing the best you can do.

[-] 0 points by JIFFYSQUID92 (-994) from Portland, OR 2 years ago

I'm engaging at an equal level, is that all the thanks I get for stooping?

Glad you didn't knock Jesus, cuz he is certainly NOT the only "good" and "dead" Liberal.

[-] 0 points by tomahawk (-21) 2 years ago

Maybe being witty or intelligible is not your strength,perhaps going back to a moronic,gloating,Leftist activist fits you better,it certainly works for all of your fellow Drones on this Forum.

[-] 0 points by JIFFYSQUID92 (-994) from Portland, OR 2 years ago

Kudos: When you criticize the writing of others do it with writing like that. But don't you wish you could join your "fellow drones" without the hood or the pentagram or drinking all that virgin blood?

[-] 0 points by tomahawk (-21) 2 years ago

Like I said the whole "witty" thing isn't something you can pull off very well. Stick with being a vile Leftist miscreant,just don't shit on Cop cars.

[-] 0 points by JIFFYSQUID92 (-994) from Portland, OR 2 years ago

Kudos again. Do you get a "bigger" boner when you run bicyclists off the road or set sleeping homeless people on fire? I've heard you guys dig one a lot more than the other.

[-] 0 points by tomahawk (-21) 2 years ago

Obviously you desire to do stand up comedy,that's good because you don't understand the destructive realities of what Leftist's/Proglodytes do to economies and nations so it's much better that you yuck it up than vote.

[-] 0 points by JIFFYSQUID92 (-994) from Portland, OR 2 years ago

Is it funnier when the cyclists flip or when the homeless jump into the river in panic?

I yuck, Vote and encourage 1000s to do the same every election. The least I can do to maintain the liberal progress our forefathers set in motion. You could join us, but you'd have to care about all Americans, and that's not negotiable.

[-] 0 points by tomahawk (-21) 2 years ago

You are right about one thing,I don't care about Liberal Proglodytes in the least for you are beneath my contempt.

[-] 0 points by JIFFYSQUID92 (-994) from Portland, OR 2 years ago

How 'bout Regressive Democracy-Hating Corporatists?

[-] 0 points by oneAdam12 (-7) from Queens, NY 2 years ago

word up...down with subversives. occupy laralittletree.

[-] -1 points by takim (23) 2 years ago

an ows definition of a " subversive",..................someone who does not agree with our distorted views and hate of capitalism and the constitution.

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[-] -1 points by tomahawk (-21) 2 years ago

What IS really "subversive" is all the Leftist's and Proglodytes that feel so empowered by the Milk-Chocolate Jesus that is their Messiah. They love how barry subverts the Constitution and bullies the SCOTUS and anybody else that gets in his way.

[-] -3 points by slammersworldwillnotbecensored (-184) 2 years ago

you fools need to occupy a job.......it's that simple

[-] 3 points by rayl (1007) 2 years ago

many of us, if not all, have jobs or own small businesses. we are interested in our country functioning fairly with the interests of all citizens as a priority not the interests of a minority. i know this is a very difficult concept for some but i'm sure you'll get it if you try.

[-] -3 points by slammersworldwillnotbecensored (-184) 2 years ago

the interests of this country are served by people minding their own lives instead of whining and pointing fingers at the successes of others in a covetous and envious fashion.....

[-] 2 points by rayl (1007) 2 years ago

oh, so we should just accept what others tell us to do? i don't care how successful others are. i choose how i live my life and what i regard as success. riches have never interested me and i'm definitely not envious of someone chasing after money as if it's the most important thing in life, how boring! but i will not stand for these people to unduly influence my government. i have a voice and it will be heard! if you don't like it, too bad. do you get it yet?

[-] -3 points by slammersworldwillnotbecensored (-184) 2 years ago

no, you should go do as you wish, and accept the rewards and consequences of that pursuit.....

Money is a result, not an aim....those who pursue money rarely find it, but those who pursue a goal oriented course are often rewarded monetarily.....

The richest Americans are not so because they chased "money", they set goals and chased a purpose and the reward of achieving that purpose was partially financial......

[-] 1 points by rayl (1007) 2 years ago

not very convincing. people play the stock to make money, no other reason, get real. the main reason for ows is to get the influence of big money out of the government. you don't seem to be able to grasp this basic principle, why not?

[-] -2 points by slammersworldwillnotbecensored (-184) 2 years ago

because you can't get money out of politics....it costs money to run campaigns, it costs money to pay staff, travel, banners, facilities, utilities, printing, hardware, software, filing permits, advertising...etc......

Then you'll say "make political campaigns publicly funded"......but, if you do that who gets to run? The public can't fund every person who decides it's a good idea to become an elected official......what if everyone just decides to run for public office instead of working (hyperbolic example...yes, but it explains the problem with public funding) and if there is a limit on who can run...WHO chooses who runs, now your talking about influence peddling, and and putting the power of who runs into the hands of a small minority..... if you can't donate money to a politician for their campaign, you could "hire" them for a year of two before the election in a contrived position and pay them what you like as a salary.....then they quit, file for candidacy, and run.....

Or do you just want only the already wealthy to run for public office?

There has never been a time when those with money didn't contribute to elections and have some influence over politicians.....the answer is an informed electorate, and full disclosure.....not some contrived system......let anyone, and everyone donate as much or little as they like...publicly, for everyone to see....

Why don't you explain what you think will replace the current finance system....that should be entertaining......

[-] 2 points by rayl (1007) 2 years ago

a cap on campaign contribution, a limit on total spending and the elimination of lobbying would be a start. if you're against these measures then naturally you will find them inadequate from the start. with the current level of media coverage and the extremely refined pr firms you will never have a an election that in some way hasn't been bought. your solution of free spending and an informed electorate will only benefit those that can afford to hire the top pr firms to spread their 'version of the truth'. you're not convincing anyone here with your argument that it has always been this way and always will be like it is. nice try though. ; )

[-] -1 points by slammersworldwillnotbecensored (-184) 2 years ago

again, do your REALLY think that you can eliminate "lobbying"....who do you suppose to do that? by prohibiting legislators, by law, on who they may associate with you restrict their right to free association, and by forcing certain citizens from speaking their piece on legislation you limit their right to freedom of speech....

You tell me, in a world where things cost money, how you can eliminate money from anything?

[-] 2 points by rayl (1007) 2 years ago

Again! eliminate money's influence. money is not free speech. it won't be easy but if enough people realize the adverse effects it has on the world as a whole it will be done. perhaps we need to rethink the world economy as a whole. keep holding on to what you know and think is right and nothing will ever change. btw it is not who do you suppose but rather how do you suppose... your employer might not like your simple grammatical errors!

[-] -1 points by slammersworldwillnotbecensored (-184) 2 years ago

we are not the "world economy"...and when you step beyond our borders the "freedom" you are afforded here doesn't exist......don't make the mistake in thinking that it does.......

in some mediums money is required to transmit the speech, and in the places where that is not the case money doesn't limit "free speech"

The problem really is that most people don't agree with the idea's of OWS, or modern liberal socialists....and you feel the need to gag the voices of those who have a different viewpoint.....it's nothing new, it's something that's been said/done for hundreds of years....

The power hungry get the useful idiots all lathered up to try and bring about the change necessary for them to assume power by creating a villain to rebel against and then feeding the fire of the victimization by the villians, while silencing, marginalizing and dehumanizing them in anyway they can, money doesn't have "influence" except on people of low moral character.....and they will seek compensation of other sorts if the money stops.

The problem with the power hungry is that when they actually get power, then they dispose of the useful idiots and rabble rousers in short order so as to not have to deal with that difficulty when they finally get the power to control armies, weapons, and in-turn people.....

I know you think that you and OWS are a new evolution and something different that those of the past, and that is exactly what the subversives in the German workers party and the early followers of Lenin thought as well........when the reality finally took hold it was something else entirely....

[-] 1 points by rayl (1007) 2 years ago

i live outside the us and i have more freedom than you. the military here cannot arrest me as is the case in the u.s.. ows is not about doing away with capitalism, just reining it in a bit to a more humanistic level. the priorities in this world which btw is ruled by 'market forces' are completely skewed. a glaring example is the u.s. budget and how much is allocated for the military as opposed to education. this is totally unacceptable and is the direct result of not heeding president eisenhower's warning about the military-industrial complex. money is good, war makes money, war is good, total bullshit! your worries about a repeat of what happened in germany and russia in the early 20th century could only happen if ows was a fascist movement and if it took control of the u.s. and that my little friend is very unlikely.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

1.) "World economy"? Yes we are. See citizens united. We now have an open market government, and not just on the national level.

The rest is apples and oganges.

2.) What medium is that? Vegas? The mob?

3.) Excuse me??? Liberals get bounties placed on them by conse(R)vatives, and crosshairs placed on their images.

It's quite the other way around, just look at the amount of conse(R)vatives that come to this forum, this "left leaning" forum, just to disrupt almost every tenor of liberal thinking.

Not in a spirit of love and compromise, but rather to tell us how stupid we are for thinking that way.

I have never felt the same desire to play reversie on a conse(R)vative forum.

So why did you come here, if not to attempt to silence our voices?

You have offered NO compromise.

4.) Looks like you're the useful idiot to me. Echoing only "establishment" rhetoric, coupled with hatred for anything you perceive as coming from the "left".

5.) Sounds like something I read once at prisonplanet, make that twice, he said the same thing about Bush.

It frankly, needs more Bigfoot.

[-] -1 points by slammersworldwillnotbecensored (-184) 2 years ago

TV and radio, some internet outlets...they all require money to transmit speech, the equipment used to broadcast speech isn't free, and neither is the licensing required to broadcast.......

Bounties placed on liberals? really?...do you have an example?

and the rhetoric of the left is as violent and the crosshair things has been done to death by both sides...

There is no compromise with things that don't work...our current economy is a "compromise" between market conservatism and liberal notions......and it is a failure, because the liberal idea of "free shit" for all isn't supported in economic reality....and NEVER has been in any system EVER created and self sustained.....(small examples sustained by benevolence and the wealth generated by other systems have existed, but not as a closed system, as they succumb to entropy)

I know the history of the "left" and it's collectivist ideas.....I know the tens of millions killed by Mao and Stalin, Hitler, PolPot, The Castro's, etc.....all to bring about the "workers paradise" a land of free shit for everyone without great effort by anyone.....and it is a FAILED idea......everything from the left is a regurgitation of massively failing ideas...

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

I'm telling you it needs more Bigfoot.

You're just an establishment shill, constantly repeating yourself, in spite of all the evidence against what you say.

They only ones getting "free shit" are the shits on WallStreet.

Hell, they got you to shill for them for free. Talk about a useful idiot.

It was the neo liberal, libe(R)tatrian crap that got us in this mess, and if looked a bit closer, you'd know that .

[-] -1 points by slammersworldwillnotbecensored (-184) 2 years ago

I'm not the one who has failed to look closely at the facts.....your consistent myopia is sad

[-] 1 points by arturo (3169) from Shanghai, Shanghai 2 years ago

People who accuse others of being envious are usually just desperate to be envied. Perhaps you have accomplished something with your life, worked hard to get there, and now nobody else cares. I see it all the time. Get over it.

[-] -1 points by slammersworldwillnotbecensored (-184) 2 years ago

I have no need to be envied, and no person should envy another.....one should be so resolved in a purpose of their own choosing, and so focused on that purpose as not to notice or care about the rewards gained by others.....

A life's purpose is a powerful thing, I suggest you, and everyone else reading this, find one and set out to achieve it

[-] 1 points by rayl (1007) 2 years ago

we have a purpose and that is to end big money's influence.

[-] 1 points by arturo (3169) from Shanghai, Shanghai 2 years ago

Ok, that's fair enough.

[-] 1 points by uhandleit (43) 2 years ago

what you see in the Universe see you ! Some fools like you are simple minded....You think people here have no jobs...You are really out of touch......

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