Forum Post: Stopped by a gun show today - boy was the line to get in long.
Posted 11 years ago on Dec. 22, 2012, 7:38 p.m. EST by Shayneh
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News media was there, lots of people inside looking at semi automatic rifles, semi automatic pistols, scopes, holsters, electronic tazers, spray mace, knives, axes and tons of ammo. The .223 ammo was being bought up like there was no tomorrow.
While in line waiting to get in to the gun show I was talking to an individual who lives near a "hugh" gun store. They took a "Kroger" store and converted it into a gun store.
The news media was there because the line was actually out the door around the corner with people wanting to get in.
So there you have it, it's apparent that people are taking seriously the decision by Obama to change gun laws.
Now, were the majority of these people aspiring new gun owners or already current gun owners?
Were the majority of these people interested in a civic responsibility of being organized within their state for the security of the public or did they merely want access to instruments of death with no civic responsibility for public security?
These people were "Americans" who don't trust the government - that's the plain and simple of it.
These are also "patriotic Americans' as most all gun owners are.
If these people are mainly previous gun owners, then nothing's changed. It's just the same people buying yet more guns they can't use more than one of at a time.
If they and most gun owners are patriotic Americans, they support the 2nd Amendment in accepting the civic responsibility of being organized within their free state to ensure the security of the public from the government they don't trust.
Is that indeed the case?
Well from what I gathered there were both classes of people - previous gun owners making purchases and new gun owners.
I did notice a few older folks looking and buying weapons - especially elderly woman -
Everyone that I have ever meet that owned a firearm was very patriotic and not irrational when it came to "firearms laws". The problem the vast majority have is they see the problem as a "social mental problem" not a gun problem.
I am sure they will allow some changes but those changes better include doing something with the folks who have a "mental issue".
If they only go in one direction - you can be sure there will be mass resistance.
Americans are crazy lemmings- News at 11.
Now, about that gun insurance......
nothing say's happy holiday's like a gun show. stupid fucking hicks and rednecks have got us in a race to the bottom.
Sorry but our violent society has got us in a ract to the bottom. Get rid of violent people and gun ownership won't be a problem.
What's NOT violent about a gun?
Is it that you prefer the slow violence and death of poverty?
Poverty kills millions more than guns do.
So get rid of poverty and most of the other violence will be minimized.
It really is that simple, but there are many that feel that poverty is a normal condition.
It isn't. it's induced these days by myriad corporations.
So lets ban corporations!!!!!!!
YAY!
Tell me if I lay a loaded gun on a table is it violent just being there?
You show a decided ignorance of the word potential.
So since you are at the very least feigning ignorance.
Let's play.
If Bacha the excitable dog walks by and knocks the gun off the table and it discharges and strikes you in the balls, and exits your body through your left buttock, do you feel a violent pain?
Or had you already OD'd on snorting bath salts?
First off there are only certain types of guns that will discharge when knocked off a table if a cartridge is in the chamber.
So your premis that knocking a gun off a table will cause a discharge is false unless you clarify which type of weapon it is.
It's the one that just shot you in the balls, silly.
So you're thinking maybe you could sue?
Good plan. You should leave a lot of loaded guns around on your tables and invite all the dogs in the neighborhood over for treats and a round of fetch!!
Now that's legal potential. Just keep it a secret.
On the eve of the first Gulf War people were lined up at bookstores to buy Bibles. I wonder if these are the same people. It's a group shopping thing or something.
Gun toting bible thumping - isn't that what Obama called them?
nope
My comment was more about group-think. I thought Obama's comment about that was careless, as was mine in a way. I'm sure many gun owners could care less about the Bible. It doesn't make sense for people to run off and buy guns in reaction to what happened in Newtown. What's changed?
What changed is the people of this country fear the "power of the government".
..............lol. Knock it off. I almost fell out
When the going gets tough, the tough go shopping.....
It isn't just one politician though right?
No improvement to gun safety laws can occur without 17 House repubs, and 5 Senate repubs also right?
"So there you have it, it's apparent that people are taking seriously the decision by Obama to change gun laws."
THANX for the proof - wayne is a great salesman - he earns his $1,400,000 salary
too bad the "believe the lies" lemmings did not disappear when the Mayans told them to
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If your going to get all 'Red Dawn' about it don't forget warm clothes , food. Oh, and ammo. Tons of ammo. Find a hole or cave to crawl into and you'll be fine.
Well there are a lot of "preppers" out there who do just that - and some do have holes in the ground for that very reason.
There was a guy on the news talking about "mega disasters" similar to NO but on a grander scale - sort of like a missle attack on several large metro areas.
He has a stockpile that will take care of him and 10 people for at least a year. A lot of people in this country are not sure about it's future and that's why they are doing this.
a simple torch negates almost all prepper strategies. doesn't take a genius to smoke out or burn someone out of their hole.
Now your comment is an example of what we are talking about when it comes to the "violent attitude" of this country.
Why would you even say such a thing - it only proves more of what I have been saying about our society - violent attitude.
just reality. these so called preppers are the ones living in la la land.
There is a reason for this - our government - when the rating in congress is at 5% and the government isn't doing a damm thing to get people back to work.
In addition to that what would you do if we had another 911 only this time it happened in several cities across the country or even worse blowing up our oil refineries
How long do you think this country would last without gasoline/desiel fule to get products to the market.
Things aren't what they used to be - can't you tell by the security at the airports, federal office buildings, security guards at the work place - the list goes on and on.
I can understand paranoia on different levels. None of us are above it completely. My agenda is fairly simple. I want TPTB to understand the power of what an anti-consumer movement can have. We are more informed than they are and we can no longer be programmed in certain ways. We are no longer 'consummers' of anything more than the truth. This is part of what Occupy is about in my opinion.
That's called "individual thinking" and at present a lot of people don't have that.
Everyone works off whatever someone else does - Would you consider the people who are part of Facebook programmed to follow others leads or individuals? I think they are programmed, because they all do the same thing - post usless info.
The youth of this country are sending a message but they have to be careful and not be radical about how they deliver that message to get people to agree with their changes.
We are going through this very thing in washington DC right now -
Change can happen but it takes time and it takes "bright individuals" with a vision for everyone.
I respect the founders of Facebook as talented programmers but their site lacks a theme. I don't use it and I see Facebook as a tool of the intelligentsia.
Guns are tools to make weak-minded, weak-willed, fear-filled people feel empowered,. let them know that they show their fear and weakness when they hold a tool of death. Guns have not other use than killing.
Real strength and security is found in strong communities, interconnected nationally, and world wide. Not pathetic nation-states building arms and drone bombing villages in the mountains in the overseas.
Guns are for the weak, be strong!
Originally, the laws that allowed citizens to own guns were established to allow American's to fight off the soldiers of the British empire in the revolutionary war, and ensuing attempts of the British to reclaim America as a colony.
Many gun enthusiasts these days think similarly, that America is threatened with colonization by a globalist financial empire, that just may well bring foreign troops once again on to American soil.
"Many gun enthusiasts these days think similarly"
yes - rush calls them "dittoheads"
wayne calls them "suckers":
Ok, big deal, so anybody can call names. I'm sure they have some clever names for "liberals" as well.
well,. yes, I do know some history.
However, how do these guns stop the financial terror of the 1% banksters? Can a hand gun stop a market manipulated by computer AIs making flash trades to manipulate resource prices? Can an assault machine-gun bring about a peaceful revolution? I think not. Not any revolution that ends the rule of the few..,
gun enthusiasts = fearful weak-minded individuals
a gun is a tool of killing it has no other use.
Sure, guns will not protect you from a financial crisis. But think of how many countries in the world get run over by the globalist military these days. Some people in America don't want to let that happen here, and I don't think there is anything wrong with that motivation. I don't own a gun, but I don't blame other people for doing so.
I do,. most gun deaths are from domestic violence and accidents,. gun owners are causing their own pain. fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hatred leads to suffering.
The "globalist military" is the American army,. you think a few gun nuts have anything like the fire power to stop the hardware of the US military? It is a pipe dream.
I suppose that most gun deaths do happen to people who own guns, and that's why I wouldn't own one. A lot of deaths are caused by drinking alcohol too, so should people not be allowed to drink alcohol?
The people who wrote our constitution thought that people should be able to have guns to be able to protect themselves. Were they a bunch of pipe dreamers? Here in China, nobody is allowed to have a gun, except of course the police.
I have not said anything should not be 'allowed' I am merely talking about shifts in CULTURE.
The founding fathers where a bunch or rich, white, slave-owners, why people point to them as beacons of virtue is beyond me. The country is the people living in it now,. today! Not at some time in the past,. why remain beholden to long dead plantation owning 1%ers? Times change, slavery is now wage-slavery, and guns are still only good for killing. If you want killing, support gun ownership. If you are peaceful and opposed to killing, speak out against guns, and gun owners.
So do you believe that our constitution is generally a bunch of trash?
Guns are not just for killing, but also for defending from those who would kill.
"for defending from those who would kill",. by killing them? I do not see any argument from you,. you are proposing killing and I am against it. I would much rather be killed standing on the side that is principled and in the right, than compromise on basic convictions of peace, to simply "live longer", having become what is the problem.
We defend ourselves when we further the culture of peace and humanity, not when we stockpile guns to kill the "bad guys".
Principles matter, and culture has to evolve and grow in wisdom and improve. Just clinging to life, for the sake of more living, is a wasted effort without growth of spirit and soul.
If everyone, like you, would prefer to be killed, rather than to kill those who would attack them, then only those who desired to kill in the first place would be left living. In such a case, only a world of killers would be left.
I also think there are ways to create a culture of peace. But in the mean time, I see nothing wrong with people having the right to defend themselves. Who will create a culture of peace if only killers are allowed to live?
Your logic also suggests that you are opposed to defensive wars. But consider what the results would have been if we did not fight the following wars:
Revolutionary war - we'd have remained subjects of the British empire
Civil war - African Americans would have remained slaves
WWII - the world would have been enslaved by the Nazis
I do believe that at the highest level, the philosophy of "no self defense" is promoted by those who wish to enslave us.
Don't get me wrong, I will defend myself and others,. I will not however be needing a gun to do so. I have no need of a tool only used for killing, in my home, or on my person. There are many ways to win a struggle; the culture of death, killing, and war-making IS the enemy of a peaceful world. Stockpiling guns, to defend your peace, is a path that has already failed.
When changing culture, or enlightening minds, guns are rather useless tools indeed.
So do you think we should have never fought the Revolutionary War, the Civil War or WWII?
Like all wars, the reasons for these wars are largely fictions. We are told, by the victors, how noble the cause and how righteous the win, however all mass conflicts are manipulations of culture for the gains of the few. The 1% have been with us for a long time!
All conflicts can be solved without blood and mass destruction, war is not a necessity nor is it justified of justifiable. Winning a political debate by killing those that oppose you is not much of a solution, and will always leave more unrest and simmering hate in its wake, just waiting for the next opportunity to re-ignite.
True victory is when we solve our differences peaceably and with a greater cultural consensus than before. This can only be achieved through dialog and cultural growth, not violence and killing. So no, I do not believe any of those struggles should have been allowed to develop into violent killing and warfare. Many people die or are forever afflicted, much is destroyed, and the 1% tighten their grip on power, as they hold it through hate, fear, and lies. Remember; Truth is the first casualty of war.
I believe that many wars have been conducted just for profit, but that in some case wars are just.
So what you are saying is we live within a "weak society" of people who can't handle stress. No wonder so many people own guns - never know when someone will snap at a Mc Donalds when the server gets the order wrong.
We have no strong communities that are interconnected nationally and world wide. If we did we wouldn't have gun violence nor a violent world, would we.
How do you propose to solve that problem?
You may not, but WE certainly do. Get involved;
http://www.postcarbon.org/relocalize
http://permacultureprinciples.com/
http://slowmoney.org/
relocalize, permaculture, slowmoney, degrowth, etc.
Starting is as easy as having a potluck with your friends and neighbors!
You demonstrate a very childish,ignorant understanding of the world.
Let's hope you never know the fear of having to defend your very life from somebody trying to take it. An experience like that would most probably usher in a whole new understanding of the world and a dose of cold reality for you.
Yes you are so wise, that you come here to spread fear,. we are all grateful for you amazing wisdom and love for each of us,.
You dare talk down to others about their understanding of the world? Fear-mongering is a sign of weakness, of will, and of character. Good day sir.
Understanding the reality of the world is not "fear mongering" whether you like it or not. If you can't deal with being told the truth without hyperventilating then you're in sad shape jph.
You have told no truth, only made claims of superior "knowledge",. that do not stand the test of reading the words you have posted here.
I bid you good day, Sir.
Please,by all means take your leave Sir but know this, the truth will seek you out regardless of where you try to hide. You will know the truth someday,someway,somehow.
Get them while you can.
Well, it's like this across the country. One thing I did note however is the prices on semi automatic rifles have gone up around 30% over the last several weeks.
AR-15 were going for around $750 - 850 - now the vast majority are over $1000.
That's good news. I hope guns dealers charge people as much as they can get away with. It's not like I want something from them.
the law of supply and demand in action. its a sellers market.
nothing makes me happier than when we the people bear arms.
Well, people own firearms for different reasons. With 200 million guns in this country owned by private citizens I don't see it as being a problem where we need more restrictions compared to:.
people killed in cars - we need to ban cars People killed using drugs - hell, the government can't get a handle on that regardless of all the regulations People dying from lung cancer due to cigarettes - People dying from alcohol use - need to ban that
The list goes on and on
the government is so dumb, hell most every employer does drug checks on people, and the government cant find the drug users? wow, are we getting dumber by the minute.
The problem is there is "way too much regulation". People have been taught when a problem arises have the government take care of it.
If we go back to the time when each individual took on responsibility in their neighborhoods drugs wouldn't be a problem.
So then, you have adopted the (R)epelican't position that there are no crazy people in America?
Only sane people and criminals?
Or do you want to ban them to prison, like the (R)epelican'ts already did?
Never said there were "no crazy people in America". However there are a lot of "confused" and incompetent people in our society to go along with the crazies.
And no amount of prision will reform them - just look at the guy that shot the firefighters - he spent 18 years in prison - believe he killed his grandmother, was released and look what happened.
We have a "crazy sick society" problem - not a "firearm ownership problem". Stop the crazies from owning firearms and firearm ownership won't be a problem.
Sure so lets have a newspaper advertise houses where guns can be stolen. Crazies do not care about laws.
You have probably already heard about the New York Newpaper (The Journal News) posts interactive map listing all gun owners in NY.
There you go.
ALEC
It doesn't get any crazier, nor any sicker than that.
Except maybe FLAKESnews. Or Limbaugh, 'N' fer sure that Beck fellow. Oh and most definitely the NRA. Then there's that SHIT the GOP pulled in Wisconsin. OMG then there's the SHIT they just pulled in Michigan.
Crushing unions? SICK,SICK ,SICK.
What about all those sick ass in it for the money preachers on TV?
That's twisted indeed.
OIC.......You thought all that, and so much more, would have no effect.
You were wrong.
It does.
Just add guns, makes it's own death cult.
It sells almost as well as sex.
You like the results?
The marketers do.
See. FEAR really does make people do stupid shit.
Now the question.
What were you doing there?
Oh by the way I forgot to mention - The gun didn't do anyting just lying there it had to have an outside force to act on it for it do something.
BTW I do have several loaded guns throughout the house just in case -
Tell it to your missing balls.