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Forum Post: STOP: Pesticides> Bee Colony Collapse> Famine!

Posted 6 years ago on June 24, 2013, 7:39 p.m. EST by lkindr (58)
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Let's do something about this. Maybe join class action lawsuit against pesticide abuse by govt and big biz. Here are 2 recent reports from Dr. Mercola. The first mentions a lawsuit started in May. Species are threatened, including us.

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/newsletter-archive/2013/06/08.aspx Beekeeping Industry 'Doomed' -- Destruction of Food Supply Before End of Decade? Bees have been dying off around the world for a decade now from a phenomenon called Colony Collapse Disorder, or CCD. A third of the U.S. food supply depends on the honeybees This year, the US experienced the highest losses of honeybee populations so far, with most of the nation’s beekeepers losing anywhere from 50 to 90 percent of their bee population Many of the 6,000 almond orchard owners in California could not find enough bees to pollinate their almond trees, at any price, this year The collapse of bee colonies is probably multifactorial, but a major factor is the toxicity of systemic pesticides called nicotinoids, which kills insects by attacking their nervous systems In May, beekeepers and environmental groups filed a lawsuit against the agency over its failure to protect bees from toxic pesticides

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/newsletter-archive/2013/06/18.aspx Ecosystem and Food Supply Threatened by Neonicotinoid Pesticides Research shows the use of neonicotinoid pesticides in seed treatments is responsible for the death of birds, terrestrial and aquatic invertebrates and other wildlife Neonicotinoids also appear to be one of the primary causes behind mass die-offs of bees, which threatens one-third of our food supply Many pesticides are neurotoxic and can cause disruptions to your neurological system and your brain. Research has linked pesticide exposure to Parkinson’s disease, raising your risk by 58 percent Glyphosate, the active ingredient in Roundup, disables important minerals and enzymes in your body



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[-] 5 points by shoozTroll (17632) 6 years ago

"New studies are now pointing to Neonicotinoid Pesticides, a form of pesticide based on nicotine. Research on these pesticides began in the 1980′s, and the first commercial neonicotinoid pesticide was introduced in 1994, but was not given approval for use in agriculture until 2005, when the Bush administration gave an exemption, allowing for its use before the full impact study of its use could be completed. This study is still ongoing."

Read more: http://www.addictinginfo.org/2013/06/25/bush-epa-rushed-approval-of-pesticide-now-tied-to-honeybee-genocide/#ixzz2XKzlPTHD

[-] 2 points by stevebol (1269) from Milwaukee, WI 6 years ago

Glyphosate makes up 49% of Roundup. The other 51% is a mystery. Somebody paid off OSHA so that MSDS don't provide complete information.

[-] 2 points by stevebol (1269) from Milwaukee, WI 6 years ago

I just checked the Material Safety Data Sheet (MSDS) for Roundup.


It's 51% special sauce courtesy of Monsanto. Ketchup and mayo maybe?

[-] 2 points by stevebol (1269) from Milwaukee, WI 6 years ago

Monsanto has found a way around OSHA. OSHA must be completely useless now. Get rid of OSHA if it has no function.

[-] 1 points by itsmyblood (10) 6 years ago

i am going to purchase a bee hive.

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 6 years ago

A bill to ban these insecticides is introduced.

Koch's kill the bill.

Here's some of what's in the bill.

" Pollination services are a vital part of agricultural production, valued at over $125,000,000,000 globally and worth $20,000,000,000 to $30,000,000,000 in agricultural production annually in the United States. One-third of food produced in North America depends on pollination by honey bees, including nearly 95 varieties of fruits such as almonds, avocados, cranberries, and apples. Over the past several years, documented incidents of colony collapse disorder have been at a record high, with some beekeepers repeatedly losing 100 percent of their operations. During the winter beginning in 2012 and ending in 2013, United States beekeepers, on average, lost 45.1 percent of the colonies they operate. According to scientists of the Department of Agriculture, current estimates of the survivorship of honey bee colonies show they are too low to be able to meet the pollination demands of United States agricultural crops. Neonicotinoids cause sublethal effects including impaired foraging and feeding behavior, disorientation, weakened immunity, delayed larval development, and increased susceptibility to viruses, diseases, and parasites and numerous studies have also demonstrated acute, lethal effects from the application of neonicotinoid insecticides. Recent science has demonstrated that a single corn kernel coated with a neonicotinoid is toxic enough to kill a songbird. In January 2013, the European Food Safety Authority determined that the most widely used neonicotinoids pose unacceptable hazards to bees, prompting the European Union to suspend their use on agricultural crops."


[-] 2 points by stevebol (1269) from Milwaukee, WI 6 years ago



MSDS is supposed to provide information on ALL the ingredients in a product. Roundup say's, 51%-other ingredients.

Pretend you're not a scientist for a minute. What does that tell you?

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 6 years ago

I'm no chemist steve, but unlike you, I do know there's a difference between and herbicide and an insecticide.

I'm sure roundup is a ton of shit too, but it's not the same stuff as neonicotinoid pesticide.

As far as the "other 51%? It's a secret that's mostly water.

[-] 2 points by stevebol (1269) from Milwaukee, WI 6 years ago

I'm suggesting OSHA might not be operating the way it was intended. 51% other ingredients? What the hell is that supposed to mean?

The whole point of MSDS is to inform you about what you're exposed to. During the gulf oil spill everyone was talking about the spooge they were using to clean up. Turns out it was fog machine juice. I posted the MSDS on Huff Post and some guy say's Genius! Genius! I thought you're not even close. It's just a MSDS. Everyone should know what the are.

Maybe people don't want to read MSDS because they hate Nixon and Nadar. That's who started that stuff. If people are worried about some ingredient they should grab the MSDS and take a look. Naturally chemists will be on top of this.

'Other ingredients' is unacceptable. What's up with OSHA?

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 6 years ago

You're just plain off subject.

Way out to lunch.

But....to your off subject remark.

OSHA's funds have been steadily cut, mainly by the GOP since the Reagan administration.

As well cut's to similar programs set up in the States.

However, if you really want to know the full answer, you will need to research the terms legal meaning, as it pertains to the product involved.

Such definitions are NOT what OSHA does.

So even that comment was off topic.

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 6 years ago

Who's zoomin' who?


Look who's fighting it? Hah....you won't.


A lot of the lobbying for these things are done on the State and Provincial level, and Bayer is not alone..

One more time now.

As go the States, so goes the Nation.

[-] 1 points by TropicalDepression (-45) 6 years ago

Of course they are fighting it, would you expect something different?

Levin and Stabenow both told Bernie to go fuck himself with Monsanto, something you constantly ignore. Why are you afraid to denounce them by name?


Stop clinging to corrupt leaders to save the food supply.

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 6 years ago

You're off subject.

This is about bee die offs, and efforts to slow or halt them..

steve took it off subject and you follow???

Besides, who's they?

[-] 1 points by TropicalDepression (-45) 6 years ago

"They" are the Koch Brothers. I thought that was obvious.

Monsantos plan is to create a self pollinating plant and then they can really have total control of all food production, including the food that the livestock eats, and then hence the livestock.

[-] 2 points by stevebol (1269) from Milwaukee, WI 6 years ago

I want PBS to tell the Koch bros to knaf off. I'll start giving PBS some money. I'm sick of those guys. And they're teeth are too white.

[-] 2 points by TropicalDepression (-45) 6 years ago

Gotta love those fake ass smug smiles on em.

[-] 2 points by stevebol (1269) from Milwaukee, WI 6 years ago

That's messed up. Monsanto is the new Stalin.

[-] 1 points by TropicalDepression (-45) 6 years ago

Theres a reason a million people joined in our protest a couple months ago, this is some serious shit.

And unlike some of the other stuff going on, once its done, it simply cannot be undone.

[-] 2 points by stevebol (1269) from Milwaukee, WI 6 years ago

I'm not up on environmental issues. I know it's logical to err on the side of caution though.

I make my own primers and finishes from sratch so I'm always reading labels, ingredients, etc...

I wouldn't put anything past Monsanto or the Kochs.

[-] 2 points by TropicalDepression (-45) 6 years ago

Anything that the Kochs or Monsanto touches should be immediately banned. No exceptions.

Monsanto used to be chartered as "Monsanto Chemical". Thats the company that is running our food. A fuckin chemical company.

Once its all mutated and the normal strains are extinct, they arent coming back.

[-] 2 points by stevebol (1269) from Milwaukee, WI 6 years ago

They're Stalinists. You'll find plenty of them on both the right and left in the US. It's all about total control to them.

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 6 years ago

Nothing of the sort is EVER obvious with you.

I'm not concerned here, with what Monsatan, may or may not accomplish in the future.

I'm concerned here with the bee die offs and who is attempting to remedy the situation.

If you would add a comment, or add information to that end, it would bee(sic) appreciated.

Continuing to post off topic.......isn't.

[-] 1 points by TropicalDepression (-45) 6 years ago

"I'm concerned here with the bee die offs "

Monsanto is the one behind all of it. They are making seeds for self pollinating plants, probably already have them.

March on Monsanto had more "Save the Bees" posters than you would believe. Its all connected to a global take over of the food supply.

Bayer seems to be the one that is making the neo-bugkillers. The politicians they pay off are doing their bidding, we should focus on removing the ones who took the money.

Edit: And replacing them with NO ONE.

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 6 years ago

Oy Vay

Well, since you insist on going off topic and talking about what may, or may not be.

Let me shed a little light.

The group fighting it sounds VERY neolibe(R)tarian in make up.


Quite likely the Koch's and Exxon, supply the raw materials that are used in the creation of the poison.

Keep in mind that bans on their usage are being promoted Word Wide.

If you want I can provide the links, but you are another one that FEARS my links.

And once again...Bayer is not alone, there are others that make this poison I believe another is Syngerta, maybe?.

[-] 1 points by TropicalDepression (-45) 6 years ago

I'll admit Im not too up to par on syngenta, although I should be.

Over one mill spent lobbying last year.


I dont think its a big secret that I hate this system, but if we are going to reform it, it has to start with a very militant stance of "one and done". One mistake, and we are throwing you out. One blatant screwing of the people-like voting against Bernies bill to let us know whats in our food- and you are fuckin out of there.

I like source watch. You dont remember my post on following the money of the ALEC Corporate Board? :)

PS- expansion in discussion isnt a bad thing.

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 6 years ago

Direct lobbying is only part of the story and in many cases isn't even the largest share.

The SPN spends oodles more, and anything that doesn't even begin address ALEC is impotent.........as a source.

But as you can see neolibe(R)tarianism is very alive and well, thank you and damaging as hell.

[-] 1 points by TropicalDepression (-45) 6 years ago

"anything that doesn't even begin address ALEC is impotent.........as a source."

Thats an interesting way of looking at things. ALEC is certainly a corporate hub, the leading bill mill.

But it could be taken one step further and said that anything that doesnt address money in politics is an impotent source, I suppose. ALEC doesnt exist if theres no money.

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 6 years ago


Enough spinning, 'round and 'round.

'cause well, gosh....we haven't outlawed money......yet.

It's gonna be a while.

Back on topic, as the bees are still dying while you dither away from the subject..


Call or write, your reps and ask them to support this bill.