Forum Post: Stop Barking the GOP slogan.
Posted 12 years ago on Nov. 10, 2011, 2:16 p.m. EST by TrevorMnemonic
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The truth is
The job creators are laying people off, lowering wages, and getting rid of benefits.
Yep, and druling on their sleeves the shriveled old minds that run these mostly useless institutions that must hide from the prying eyes of regulatioins because they are not presentable to the sanitizing rays of sunlight.
They never said where they're creating them. Try China, India, Indonesia, Nigeria, anywhere and everywhere but here.
lulz! hahaha such a good point. Those guys love to be misleading. One of our congressman tries to do that all the time. I've been calling his offices and emailing him about it for 3 weeks. I'm not taking credit, because it could have just been the time to take it down, but the ad doesn't run anymore but the other 2 that have been going for months now still do.His person in charge of his facebook page deleted my comments where I called him out on it.
He kept saying he wouldn't let Obama raise "your" taxes. Which is funny because Obama has cut more taxes than Bush ever did. The tax cuts were just for the working class instead of the rich. Yes, Obama did want to raise taxes, on the super rich. Ridiculous spin. He's not raising my taxes nor is he raising taxes on 80% of the people in my city. He was actually going to cut our taxes more and provide tax breaks for small business.
And yes Obama also has Wall Street in his back pocket.
You haven't met obamacare yet. You will.
The jobs are not coming back until our wages are equal with third world countries. This is why such trade agreements like NAFTA and the Colombian Free Trade Agreement were passed even though our so called Representative knew it would hurt US wages and American's quality of life.
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Not exactly. But other things can be done to correct the shitty situations they've created.
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Lulz, yep you're a troll.
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Check out this post I put up already.
READ THESE BILLS THEY ARE 100% WHAT OUR MOVEMENT STANDS FOR
1: Nationalize the federal reserve and end the fractional banking system. End the debt based privatized monetary system that has put our country in massive levels of debt and has devalued our dollar year after year. This has been putting the working class closer and closer to the poverty line. Support this bill. HR 2990 The National Emergency Employment Defense Act of 2011. This bill is 100% backed by the Constitution of the United States. It also follows what the Declaration of Independence stands for: Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h112-2990
2: Campaign Finance Reform. Overturn "Citizen United." Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States ending corporate contributions to ANY politicians.
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=sj112-29
This third one is a suggestion from a lot of people that I agree with. 3. Add an amendment ending corporate personhood and hold the men/women of corporations and business and such accountable for the negative output they can generate at times. Negligence that results in the deaths of people is not acceptable through payment of fines and lawsuits. The men/women responsible for the negligence need to be held accountable. Sometimes killing people and paying off lawsuits and fines is cheaper than throwing away the potentially dangerous or tainted products. With no accountability, what's to stop the actual person behind the problem?
Take me through it like I'm a 5 year old.
I say lets take the wealth of the "Job creators" since they are not creating enough good paying jobs with their money.
You say other things can be done.
I say like what (had to ask twice, as you called me a troll for asking)
You respond with a bill that creates single payer health care, expands the scope of the Federal Department of Education, and dramatically increases the size of our government, along with a proposal for a constitutional ammendment increasing the power of the federal government to regulate campagin finances?
Really? Increasing the size of government, and creating a whole bevy of liberal entitlements are going to make the job creators creat jobs? Your post and links don't sound like they have the first thing to do with jobs, just about how to get "Free" stuff". In the light of day, I think my post about "Just taking their wealth" has both more legitimacy, and more possibilty of becoming reality.
You are a troll. You didn't read either bill because you told me they're about FREE STUFF.
Which neither of them are.
A people powered government is not more government, it's the way our constitution is setup to be.
A government responsible for our monetary system is in the fucking constitution of the united states. We're not supposed to have a debt based privatized monetary system. What about that don't you understand?
Are you really so stupid you didn't even read the content of the legislation you are pushing?
Read the text under the following sections
SEC. 501. Direct Funding Of Infrastructure Improvements
SEC. 502. Interest Rate Ceilings
SEC. 503. Authority of the FDIC
SEC. 504. Monetary Grants to States
SEC. 505. Education Funding Program
SEC. 506. Social Security Trust Funds
SEC. 507. Initial Monetary Dividend to Citizens
SEC. 508. UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE FUNDING.
SEC. 509. Resolving the Mortgage Crisis
SEC. 510. Interest Free Lending to Local Governmental Bodies
Yah Bro! Free stuff! Thats the solution!!!!
lulz it's not free. It's paid for through the new monetary process. I read all of it. You didn't read how it's PAID for.
/chuckle. Now you sound like Obama. We got all this "Free Money" we'll use it to pay for "Free Stuff".
You want to get support for nationalizing the fed, start by getting all those bullshit programs most Americans don't want off of the bill. Those programs do not create jobs.
Another recommendation, A constitutional amendment is not what is needed to deal with campaign finance reform. Besides, the Supreme Court already ruled it a freedom of speech issue, and properly so. You really think you are going to be able to create an amendment most people feel steps on freedom of speech?
Get a clue. 527 organizations do way more damage/help to a political campaign than any direct campaign contributions. When you figure that out, you'll be less prone to push for expensive solutions that don't work.
yeah, but the problem with your statement is you cannot, or refuse to explain the true reason why.
What is the true reason why Rex? I could say that about your statement to. But mainly because you referenced that you know, and then you don't say it.
I am merely pointing out a truth about the so called Job Creators that a lot of conservative politicians talk about.
There are multiple reasons and they are mostly coming from our government. Unions are also a huge cause of outsourcing. Conservatives are not outsourcing jobs. Business owners, who may or may not be conservative are being forced to outsource jobs.
The Wisconsin protests proved this. It's the unions. Bus drivers making 159k a year with a high school diploma in Madison. What is wrong with that picture? Then they wonder why the Wisconsin legislature wants to make cuts. Only the left never figured out the public saw that the cat was out of the bag. They still think they are cloaked.
I never said conservatives are outsourcing jobs. I just said the GOP / a lot of conservative politicians love using the term Job Creators.
Can you provide links about Unions outsourcing jobs, please?
http://www.iwu.edu/economics/PPE07/korey.pdf
I will also point out that the statement "there are no jobs" is a fallacious statement. There are jobs. When the environment is damaging to one bracket or industry, it opens a door for another. A prime example of this would be debt consolidation companies. Right now, they cannot hire enough people to help service all their customer demands.
Who said "there are no jobs" ?
Oh God dude. Seriously?
Sorry man, i don't really believe Unions are trying to send jobs overseas. I don't see that as a reasonable goal. You used the term UNIONS as in all of them. I won't deny that a few are corrupt and take advantage of their power. But you can't honestly tell me that unions are working toward sending jobs overseas.
Your link disproved the point you were trying to make in this quote right here
Many different perspectives exist on the effectiveness of and need for unions. The difficulties of the UAW at General Motors have raised questions on the use of unions in modern society and in the future. In 1998, a bitter battle raged between the union and the company. The company needed to increase efficiency to remain competitive in their market. Therefore, lower-cost outsourcing seemed inevitable to the company. Outsourcing involves the selling off of business divisions in order to have a more focused and profitable company. The very strong UAW fought for retaining quotas and union jobs. They were opposed to outsourcing as a means of cost-efficiency."
I'm still reading it though. Not quite through it all yet. So unless it takes a turn for the worse, I'm pretty sure your argument is invalid.
Their objective is not to send jobs overseas. They actually hate that it is happening. However, they cannot see that they are the reason jobs are being outsourced. Again, public bus drivers in Madison making 159k a year. All with a high school diploma. This is a result of emotional liberals who think money can just be printed and do not understand how the dollar is devalued.
http://hoguenews.com/?p=7984
Come on dude. Look for yourself. Do you really think 99 percent of the people camping out in the parks can grasp this?
I think your perspective is skewed on this topic.
But 159k a year for a bus driver seems a bit much.
Out of everything happening in our country. UNIONS ARE NOT THE PROBLEM. The union with the company I work with doesn't do shit to hurt the company and none of our workers make more than 60 grand a year. Actually since a huge corporation bought our company we have actually seen people get layed off and they cut benefits and cut a lot of people down to part time. It'd be nice if the Union could do something about this, but Hearst knows what they're doing when it comes to getting around contracts and obligations.
A debt based and privatized monetary system and corruption in our government is the problem. And on another level the lack of human compassion is a huge problem too.
unions are not the only problem, but it is happening. It is a indirect result. State deficits are also a main cause. They simply cannot afford the salaries anymore. So they look to cheap foreign labor. I do not believe that unions want the collapse of our economic system. But there is corruption, no doubt. Unions are good, when used properly.
Regarding human compassion. I think our problem is that technology has surpassed humanity. I think a very helpful movement would be a push to unplug. A focus on human interaction. That would be a great service to our society. We need to stop texting and pick up the phone. We need to turn off our phones and look out the window at the World.
The media will be who pushes this type of movement. It has already started. Look at ads making fun of facebook people claiming they have a life and making fun of their old boring parents. Meanwhile their parents are out enjoying life while the "hip" kids have moved their social life to an online social network.
Whoah. That suddenly went from Anti-unionism to Luddite society. Even after reading that PDF, it's painfully clear, I think to everybody, that Unions and outsourcing are like walruses climbing trees. They are just not designed for it. There are international unions that, by nature are "international", but my union hasn't sent me to work in Canada yet, nor hired a Croatian to replace me.
Have you seen Charlie Chaplin's speech in the movie the Great Dictator? I'm sure you have because it's gotten very popular recently with this movement... but it's pretty much exactly what the human race needs.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WibmcsEGLKo
Neruda9, I think you should do a little research on the connection between union states and the economies in those states. There is a reason the wealth is shifting to the south.
I will watch it again, since you suggested it. I haven't watched any Chaplin in a while.
Hang in there Trevor. I think things will be getting better in the World after all this political and financial dust settles. We work in revolutions, and we are due for a happy era.