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Forum Post: STDs, Lice, Death and Black Bloc - how's that new "System" working for ya?

Posted 3 years ago on Nov. 6, 2011, 6:43 p.m. EST by hillary (252)
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I'm stunned by the lack of support for the people who are suppose to all be part of a tight-knit community trying to change the ways of the world. If the platform of people first is true, when does Occupy start to move it's Leaderless-Collective™ into a more professional organization that can ultimately lead more than a few hundred people at a time?

Remember, THE-WHOLE-WORLD-IS-WATCHING™.

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[-] 1 points by unfleecedbysheep (153) 3 years ago

you assume: a lack of support, an attempt to change the "ways of the world", and that it is without "leadership". The truth is that all citizens are leaders when they speak up. The intention is to reinstate the constitutional rights of our nation. There is massive amount of support for the movement comparing peoples awareness and agreement of it's intentions of unity for liberty and fairness to peoples awareness and support of any particular presidential candidates or legislation. Watching and doing nothing to help is complicity with the criminals and violators of our rights. The world needs to do something to help, like stand up for their rights, or one can only blame ones self. There are many ideologies, but no one ideology can take precedent in a free society. We all have the same rights, and they cannot be infringed upon by anyone or any group, especially the government. Everybody can stand behind freedom, because without it we would not have this venue for expression. The whole point is not allowing any one thing to take more precedent than any other, because that would oppress others.

[-] 0 points by Thrasymaque (-2138) 3 years ago

Direct democracy is a tool used by anarchists to promote chaos. OWS was organized this way by Graeger and Sarti, both anarchists. What you are seeing is the natural outcome of the system they put in place. Chaos is spreading like they wanted. Everyone is confused, even the protesters.

[-] 1 points by unfleecedbysheep (153) 3 years ago

Your spin of the situation might only be that you are dizzy with confusion. Therefore I don't hold you responsible for your irresponsible response. Once again, Direct Democracy was never mentioned. Perhaps you could ask what somebody means with a question, instead of stating your assumptions so boldly in the form of implying someone's intended meaning, then deriding it with more presumed desires. I think you missed a word in typing your response. (they between 'that' and 'have')

[-] 0 points by hillary (252) 3 years ago

I'll have to vouch for what the other guy said, you need to learn about OWS.

[-] 0 points by Thrasymaque (-2138) 3 years ago

you assume: a lack of support, an attempt to change the "ways of the world", and that it is without "leadership". The truth is that all citizens are leaders when they speak up.

I was answering this claim. A system without hierarchy is known as an anarchy. OWS architects are anarchists. Direct democracy is one of the organizational tools they use. Why not read and educate yourself? Here's a start: http://anarchistnews.org/node/16624 Then research what a direct democracy is. Google is your friend. Learn what OSW is about.

[-] 1 points by unfleecedbysheep (153) 3 years ago

As I understand it democracy is hot a hierarchy when there is no hierarch. Checks and balances resulting from separation of powers. This works when those in their respective positions of representation actually express their constituents concerns. The case seems, to me, to be the movement wishes to return to the intended structure. I had not stated any change in this structure nor made any claim using preconceived terminology , in your words "hierarchy". I stated the simple fact that people provide the ability of leadership to lead by allowing their decisions to carry on. Even if the so called "OWS architects" intentions are based on anarchy or direct democracy, that does not mean those intentions will be expressed by all, or that example applied to an end plan. I simply declare that no one idea can be enacted because it denies others a voice. I do not claim anything. It seems my attempt to state a logical argument in support of rights and freedom and liberty were perceived as some kind of political rhetoric.

[-] 0 points by Thrasymaque (-2138) 3 years ago

I simply declare that no one idea can be enacted because it denies others a voice. I do not claim anything.

This is textbook anarchic rhetoric.

[-] 1 points by unfleecedbysheep (153) 3 years ago

If freedom is anarchy. Then freedom forever. loose the shackles and free yourself. Our country must have been founded on anarchist principals. what is you view?

[-] 0 points by Thrasymaque (-2138) 3 years ago

I believe you have a simple minded view of what freedom is. Your freedom stops where my begins, hence laws and organization.

[-] 0 points by hillary (252) 3 years ago

oh f**** great ....

[-] 0 points by hillary (252) 3 years ago

I agree, but last I checked individualism wasn't a hallmark of a DIRECT DEMOCRACY which appears to be the prevailing "system" being "showcased" at Occupy.

Right now it Occupy seems to just want bodies and is failing to "showcase" the community building advantage of a people-first "system".

[-] 1 points by unfleecedbysheep (153) 3 years ago

I don't see the sense in your reply. Direct Democracy requires individuals to decide instead of representatives. I had not made any statement about individualism or direct democracy.
The people first system, in order to become advantaged, must first establish it's voice and structure. That is what is happening when more "bodies"(people) show up and speak up. The U.S. Declaration of Independence makes this case, as well as the constitution provides for it's foundation.

[-] 1 points by TH3W01F (180) from Ottawa, ON 3 years ago

How is it working for us? Better than you think. For each problem, there lies opportunity to present solutions.

Let's see if OWS cannot surmount these obstacles. If they can, they will make posters like Hillary look stupid by merely existing.

[-] 0 points by hillary (252) 3 years ago

You're on Mister.

[-] 0 points by NonParticipant (151) 3 years ago

Hilary, Don't worry. OWS will not make you look stupid by merely existing. OWS is doing a good job of imploding all on their own. Have you read their GA notes? They can't decide which way to move their hands and how to make a decision. How will they ever rule the world???? ;>)

[-] 1 points by Ubuntu (34) from Brooklyn, NY 3 years ago

What's your point again?

[-] 0 points by hillary (252) 3 years ago

Occupy seems more interested in having bodies at the protest than showcasing a new way of doing things.

[-] 0 points by hillary (252) 3 years ago

Yes

[-] 1 points by laffingrass (362) from Normal, IL 3 years ago

Still trailing the rest of society in these categories by a wide margin.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 3 years ago

Matt Holck ©

[-] 0 points by hillary (252) 3 years ago

I agree, but last I checked individualism wasn't a hallmark of a DIRECT DEMOCRACY which appears to be the prevailing "system" being "showcased" at Occupy.

Right now it Occupy seems to just want bodies and is failing to "showcase" the community building advantage of a people-first "system".

[-] 0 points by JohnnyO (119) 3 years ago

Just in: Louse spray, all natural. Johnny O's. 1st and West.

[-] 0 points by Spankysmojo (849) 3 years ago

Well put. Don't be discouraged by the infiltrating trolls. You are heard.

[-] 0 points by hillary (252) 3 years ago

I agree, but last I checked individualism wasn't a hallmark of a DIRECT DEMOCRACY which appears to be the prevailing "system" being "showcased" at Occupy.

Right now it Occupy seems to just want bodies and is failing to "showcase" the community building advantage of a people-first "system".

[-] 0 points by foreverleft (233) 3 years ago

Well! It's still better than those nasty Tea Partiers! Think of all the jobs they cost by cleaning up after themselves!

[-] 0 points by hillary (252) 3 years ago

Here's the deleted video from the Oakland Occupy where the Black Bloc guy is talking over the Occupy guy.

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:http://blog.sfgate.com/nov05election/2011/11/04/occupy-oakland-explains-the-violence-or-doesnt-video/

[-] 0 points by NachoCheese (268) 3 years ago

"Leaderless-Collective™"

lol

[-] 0 points by JohnnyO (119) 3 years ago

Lol! You can't make this shit up.