Forum Post: So,what were you Libs saying..."nobody's going to take your guns"???
Posted 11 years ago on Jan. 9, 2013, 4:04 p.m. EST by outlawtumor
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BIDEN, kicking off White House meetings on gun violence, says 'executive action' — meaning President Obama bypasses Congress — is on the table as a means of toughening gun-control laws.
Biden: "Obama Might Use Executive Order to Deal With Guns"
"The president is going to act," said Biden, giving some comments to the press before a meeting with victims of gun violence. "There are executives orders, there's executive action that can be taken. We haven't decided what that is yet."
"Remember when the left pretended they liked the Second Amendment? That’s passé. Today, Democrats around the country are preparing for a big gun grab, the likes of which the Republic has never before seen. In New York, Gov. Andrew Cuomo, who has actually publicly pitched all-out gun confiscation (or alternatively, forced gun buybacks), is now preparing grandiose new legislation designed to strip New Yorkers of “assault weapons,” as well as restrict the size of magazines."
"In an interview with the Daily Times Herald in Caroll, Iowa, state Rep. Dan Muhlbauer said governments should start confiscating semi-automatic rifles and other firearms.
Muhlbauer, a Democrat from the western Iowa town of Manilla."
Richard Blumenthal
"Ammo sales need same instant background checks as guns. I’m introducing the Ammunition Background Check Act"
And you low information,ignorant,arrogant Libs said it would never happen.
What makes you half wit cons think any of that adds up to a gun grab?
Oh right. I answered my own question. Didn't I, Half Wit?
You are certainly entitled to your own opinion, but not your own facts. Muhlbauer, above in the op, and others have openly talked of confiscating semi-autos.
You should also be aware that there are many progressives/liberals who support the 2nd Amendment.
Here’s a paragraph from a column written by a Pastor who writes a news blog. Maybe it’ll give you an idea of the resolve gun owners have about their gun rights.
“Throughout the United States, there are tens of millions of fully-armed citizens who are more than capable of defending themselves and their communities against any enemy--whether that enemy is an internal or external one. In fact, many millions of these citizens have been trained in the US armed forces. Firearms--especially semi-automatic rifles--in the hands of millions of American citizens is truly the only thing that stands between freedom and tyranny for the people of the United States. That Barack Obama and Dianne Feinstein want to disarm the American people should be considered an act of war against our liberties! In other words, ladies and gentlemen, this is a line in the sand that none of us can afford to ignore.”
It's sad but the gunhate nuts will take this as a threat, rather than as an expression of deeply held feelings and beliefs.
Liberals somehow can't understand feeling they don't share. I used to be a classic 60s liberal (I'm still an FDR liberal), we just couldn't say "Personally I don't understand your position but I respect how important it is to you" -- rather we'd assume there was some problem in the other's thinking.
Huh?
Don't you think it's time for that to actually and for once go the other way?
It's time for the, and here's the truth of who they are, gun fetishists, to finally understand that the rest of us are sick and tired of gun carnage in all it's putrid forms.
They have yet to give a single inch that they have not clawed and scratched to get back. Often at great expense to life and limb among the innocent, the non gun fetishists. Oh, and a high level of tax payer expense too.
I have listened to their threats of violence for decades now. Before I ever heard of the NRA.
Here's the bottom line.
Since the fetishists won't offer any kind of significant compromise. A significant inch, if you will, something will still be done and I doubt that you will like it. But you have been offered many chances to help find a solution.
YOU have failed to do so.
You have given us threats.
YOU have given us Alex Jones.
YOU have given us that wild eyed guy in Tennessee, that just plain threatened to start shooting.
YOU have given us other even more militant militias, that threaten to do the same.
All based on lies.
NO!
It's you who needs to understand OUR position.
We're sick of it.
If you won't help fix it, you really are part of the problem.
If you won't fix it?
Somebody else will.
And even if I personally, don't care for their solution, I will still thank them for trying.
I can be no more candid with you.
Here's another bottom line about how OWS has shown your BS about protecting us from tyranny is also far off point.
http://www.addictinginfo.org/2013/01/12/how-occupy-proved-we-dont-need-guns-against-the-government/
Grow up.
Too many innocents are dying.
Ah, this forum's gunhate nut in chief.
Personally I support a ban on extended magazines. But BigJoe below is correct in stating that the goal of your side is the complete disarmment of the population.
All of this gun posting is bullshit and just an inflammatory distraction.
You would say that. It's more like the future of America depends on responsible citizens keeping access to arms.
although legs would be much better---all things considered.
A full compliment of functional arms and legs always being a good thing. A healthy mind in a healthy body being a gr8 goal.
One would think. I would hate to wind up with a bunch of right wingers scootching their behinds across the floor.
lol - gotta get em to the vet and dewormed? Now there is a consideration.
Dumbasses. Really.
Your FFS is a much more appropriate one.
[-] 2 points by GirlFriday (12042) 2 minutes ago
For Fucks Sake.
Apparently they have forgotten every damn thing. ↥twinkle ↧stinkle permalink
FFS ( F'n For Sure ? ) It is said that shit on tv ( yes = PURE um Diseased SHIT ) - is popular because those who watch can forget about the mess they live in and ridicule idiots that allow themselves to be televised ( real or scripted ) - it is a release from personal daily concerns problems -
Ha Ha Ha look at that idiot would ya?
Oh that poor poor girl/guy and I thought I had it bad
[-] 2 points by GirlFriday (12034) 0 minutes ago
It's way better to go off on an overemotional drama.
FFS, you have to wonder how many of these people have had a stroke because they must live in Jerry Springerville at all costs. ↥twinkle ↧stinkle permalink
For Fucks Sake.
Apparently they have forgotten every damn thing.
That fits. {:-])
Those that would be concerned over really a non-issue while distracting from issues that if successfully addressed would reduce overall crime and killing.
Such things as :
Poverty
Homelessness
Unemployment
Employment without a living wage
Access to all to proper mental health care - proper Health care in general
Off-shoring sweatshops
Pollution/poisoning destruction of people and environment
Making changes in our infrastructure to remove fossil fuel use and to address growing climate change disasters.
Etc
It's way better to go off on an overemotional drama.
FFS, you have to wonder how many of these people have had a stroke because they must live in Jerry Springerville at all costs.
It's sad how psychopaths are forever caught in that bowel-movements-are-so-fascinating phase.
I'm not interested in your personal reflections, dear little paranoid nimrod.
Get lost evil psycho troll. I hear Scalia's organizing another orgy. You cannot support Scalia in Bush v. Gore and be an OWSer. ( http://occupywallst.org/forum/piers-morgan-recently-had-scalia-on-his-show/#comment-856774 ) You are a fraud.
By the way, who's girl friday are you? It was good to see that others are on to you also. http://occupywallst.org/forum/girl-friday/ -- it's amazing how you give answers that don't mean anything and act all smarmy about it.
Run out of shit to play? You sniveling little paranoid tin foil hat wearing monster.
nomdeguerre/rayolite/sophia
That's weird there's no reply choice for your latest comment. I don't even know who sophia is. I've run into rayolite a few times, to agree sometimes and disagree sometimes. But I have no sockpuppets.
But all in all, you don't belong here. Go away evil one.
No one is taking away your guns. This is a distraction - plain and simple - a distraction by the nra and the government and other entities - a distraction to this forum and a distraction to the public forwarded by the MSM - to get the heat transferred off of issues that will make a difference =
End the war on terror OR is that war for control of foreign fossil fuel and other mineral resources.
Remove CorpoRAT personhood - source of the stealing of our government to wealthy interests ( see also foreign wars )
Economic meltdown and responsible criminals ( see also foreign wars - fossil fuel - Greed - White collar crime )
One subject at a time legislation
Etc Etc Etc
I’m sorry DK. I don’t believe you. I do believe the intent is to eventually take all our guns. Some folks have even stated that as the goal. If I thought I could believe you I probably wouldn’t be so hard line. But the truth is a lot of gun grabbers really do want all guns removed.
But, they can't.
You should be smarter than that. Instead you're going to be led around by your pecker by the media and a poster.
Swell.
What happened the last time the assault weapon ban was placed?
NOTHING
Stop feeding stupid fears - keep your gun ownership to yourself if you are truly frightened - I mean why advertise to those who monitor this site for the government that you are packing and afraid?
The possible assault gun ban is stupid.
I don’t think I’m paranoid. I view myself as rational and critical thinking. I don’t believe the government is going to use Gestapo tactics to come in and forcefully disarm gun owners. I generally trust the government is trying to do what is best for the citizens. Probably much more than a lot of people on this forum. Wow, In my short time on this forum I’ve seen some of the most outrageous conspiracy theories I’ve ever seen. I’m a bit flabbergasted at some of the posts. Talk about paranoia. But I digress.
I believe you personally when you say you don’t want all our guns. But you can’t speak for the anti-gunners any better than I can speak for gun owners. Also, I don’t own any semi-auto rifles. Just not interested in them. I only have one gun that would be affected by any of the proposed legislation; and that is a high cap pistol.
The bottom line is none of the proposed gun legislation will have any impact on gun violence. That’s the crux of my argument. Banning certain guns and\or gun features solves nothing. I don’t know why that isn’t clear to everyone.
You want to require better gun training? I’ll go along with that. You want background checks on all gun purchases? I’ll go along with that. Better still, why don’t we make a concerted effort to go after the gangs and illegal guns.
Exactly = List of countries by intentional homicide rate - Wikipedia, the free ... en.wikipedia.org/... This site chosen as it has nothing to do with how someone was killed - just that they were killed.
THIS IS EXACTLY WHY THESE GUN POSTS ARE A NON-ISSUE and a Plain Distraction
It is addressing the ills of society that will reduce the number of murders and crime in general.
We are in agreement the focus should be on reducing murders and crime in general. I’ve heard a couple of time lately that crime is like at a thirty year low. Don’t remember where I heard it and don’t remember what the break out was on violent vs. non-violent crime. I think the MSM tends to sensationalize crime these days; and it appears crime is worse.
IMHO, you want to reduce crime, then reduce poverty.
I’m done here. Thanks.
Crime all out low???? Really???? Spin and lies surely. I mean wallstreet is total crime - unpunished crime - and you put a million or so new families into the street and take away employment for a living wage - And What? They Expect us to believe that crime is at a low? F'n-A
Done?
You're rather crispy by now.
Have you considered shutting off FLAKESnews?
You shouldn't say that.
That's another lie.
YOU have given us Alex Jones.
YOU have given us that wild eyed guy in Tennessee, that just plain threatened to start shooting.
YOU have given us other even more militant militias, that threaten to do the same.
All based on lies.
NO!
It's you who needs to understand OUR position.
We're sick of it.
If you won't help fix it, you really are part of the problem.
If you won't fix it?
Somebody else will.
And even if I personally, don't care for their solution, I will still thank them for trying.
I can be no more candid with you.
Here's another bottom line about how OWS has shown your BS about protecting us from tyranny is also far off point.
http://www.addictinginfo.org/2013/01/12/how-occupy-proved-we-dont-need-guns-against-the-government/
Grow up.
Too many innocents are dying.
That's another lie.
YOU have given us Alex Jones.
YOU have given us that wild eyed guy in Tennessee, that just plain threatened to start shooting.
YOU have given us other even more militant militias, that threaten to do the same.
All based on lies.
NO!
It's you who needs to understand OUR position.
We're sick of it.
If you won't help fix it, you really are part of the problem.
If you won't fix it?
Somebody else will.
And even if I personally, don't care for their solution, I will still thank them for trying.
I can be no more candid with you.
Here's another bottom line about how OWS has shown your BS about protecting us from tyranny is also far off point.
http://www.addictinginfo.org/2013/01/12/how-occupy-proved-we-dont-need-guns-against-the-government/
Grow up.
Too many innocents are dying.
Where did I say I hate guns?
I didn't. Shall I call you a liar?
Because you did.
Keep talking like you do, and I won't care.
That's not even a millimeter.
It's the death, I don't like.
It's your constant LIES, I hate.
So stop lying and start talking.
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Another anti-gun ploy is to frame gun owners as a lunatic fringe. Not true. Personally, I think Alex Jones is start raving mad and should be in a straight jacket. Also, Fox News is dangerous. The truth gun owners are not the toothless hillbillies you want us to be.
For the most part we are law abiding and honest (otherwise wouldn’t be able to legally own guns). As a group gun owners are among the most law abiding and productive members of society. We are your neighbors, co-workers and family members. So, you can call us names, berate us or whatever. We’re still not give you our guns.
I won’t belabor the point, but you need to put your energy into ways to really control violence and crime. How about starting by cleaning up the gang infested areas.
It's time for the, and here's the truth of who they are, gun fetishists, to finally understand that the rest of us are sick and tired of gun carnage in all it's putrid forms.
They have yet to give a single inch that they have not clawed and scratched to get back. Often at great expense to life and limb among the innocent, the non gun fetishists. Oh, and a high level of tax payer expense too.
I have listened to their threats of violence for decades now. Before I ever heard of the NRA.
Here's the bottom line.
Since the fetishists won't offer any kind of significant compromise. A significant inch, if you will, something will still be done and I doubt that you will like it. But you have been offered many chances to help find a solution.
YOU have failed to do so.
You have given us threats.
YOU have given us Alex Jones.
YOU have given us that wild eyed guy in Tennessee, that just plain threatened to start shooting.
YOU have given us other even more militant militias, that threaten to do the same.
All based on lies.
NO!
It's you who needs to understand OUR position.
We're sick of it.
If you won't help fix it, you really are part of the problem.
If you won't fix it?
Somebody else will.
And even if I personally, don't care for their solution, I will still thank them for trying.
I can be no more candid with you.
Here's another bottom line about how OWS has shown your BS about protecting us from tyranny is also far off point.
http://www.addictinginfo.org/2013/01/12/how-occupy-proved-we-dont-need-guns-against-the-government/
Grow up.
Too many innocents are dying.
I agree. The gun grabbers just want to take our guns. Period, end of story. Some gun grabbers admit they want all guns; others say we just want reasonable restrictions. But, I just don’t trust any gun grabber or believe anything a gun grabber says. They have made their agenda clear.
Even though I’ve never been arrested in my life, been a hard working honest family man all my life. I will not register or give up my guns. If guns are outlawed I will be an outlaw. My liberties are worth fighting for. I am not alone in my views, there are millions, maybe tens of millions who think like me.
Huh?
Don't you think it's time for that to actually and for once go the other way?
It's time for the, and here's the truth of who they are, gun fetishists, to finally understand that the rest of us are sick and tired of gun carnage in all it's putrid forms.
They have yet to give a single inch that they have not clawed and scratched to get back. Often at great expense to life and limb among the innocent, the non gun fetishists. Oh, and a high level of tax payer expense too.
I have listened to their threats of violence for decades now. Before I ever heard of the NRA.
Here's the bottom line.
Since the fetishists won't offer any kind of significant compromise. A significant inch, if you will, something will still be done and I doubt that you will like it. But you have been offered many chances to help find a solution.
YOU have failed to do so.
You have given us threats.
YOU have given us Alex Jones.
YOU have given us that wild eyed guy in Tennessee, that just plain threatened to start shooting.
YOU have given us other even more militant militias, that threaten to do the same.
All based on lies.
NO!
It's you who needs to understand OUR position.
We're sick of it.
If you won't help fix it, you really are part of the problem.
If you won't fix it?
Somebody else will.
And even if I personally, don't care for their solution, I will still thank them for trying.
I can be no more candid with you.
Here's another bottom line about how OWS has shown your BS about protecting us from tyranny is also far off point.
http://www.addictinginfo.org/2013/01/12/how-occupy-proved-we-dont-need-guns-against-the-government/
Grow up.
Too many innocents are dying.
"That Barack Obama and Dianne Feinstein want to disarm the American people should be considered an act of war against our liberties! In other words, ladies and gentlemen, this is a line in the sand that none of us can afford to ignore.”
This is a very powerful and important statement that the Left needs to pay attention to. The POTUS and all his sheeple don't fully understand the repercussions of their rhetoric if it becomes an Executive Order that attempts to disarm law abiding Americans.
Hell hath no fury!!
Bring it.
Alas, it’s good to know the nation will come together as a nation and resolve our differences. We should all sing Kum-ba-yah now.
Least you forget OWS professes to be the 99%, and most of the 90 million gun owners are part of the 99%. Besides, just ban guns and get it over with. We all know how well banning alcohol worked in the 1920’s.
Cut the convoluted bull shit. You reek of desperation.
Fearless warrior. Battle on. I love ( ummm - please excuse - like it ) it when you fight your good fight.
lol.
Intensely - like - at that. {:-]) Filbert.
What are you planning on doing?
Occupying Zoococky park in hopes you'll be able to hide behind the trees?
Denouncing Obama and kissing ass?
Crying and pleading while clutching a bible for the first time in your miserable life?
Or just boring everyone to death?
Really,there's not much ya'll would do besides protesting and sending in Blac Bloc to bust a few windows.
Yeah,"Bring it",...LMAO!!!
Be gone waste of space - waste of time - apparent waste of birth.
This is a very powerful and important statement that the Left needs to pay attention to. The POTUS and all his sheeple don't fully understand the repercussions of their rhetoric if it becomes an Executive Order that attempts to disarm law abiding Americans.
Hell hath no fury!!
Bring your shit or sit down and shut the fuck up.
Dun brung my shit. Where's yours?
Let's get this straight you little piece of right wing shit: Your thinly veiled threats are not that thinly veiled.
Bring your shit or sit down and shut the fuck up.
Yeah,let's do get this straight. I haven't threatened you or anybody. You're extremely high strung with little to no sense of humor apparently.
What's this whole "bring it" shit?
If you're not joking,what the hell are you doing?
Did you skip you meds tonight?
Where in the real world are you coming from?
You're pretty much off the chizain with all this shit.
You make thinly veiled threats and now you wish to make nicey and back away from all that.
You son of bitches better get together and decide how the hell you want to act in public and what exactly you ARE promoting.
Specifically,verbatim what have you construed as a "thinly veiled threat"? You do know how to copy and paste,right?
20 dead children brings out the morbid sense humor you like to use against those that want to STOP things like 20 dead children?
There's nothing funny about 20 children dead, for your religious belief in a singular interpretation of the only amendment that matters to you.
YES, I have heard from others and you have certainly threatened some vague belief in revolting over "gun control".
You and your fellow gun nutters much prefer the 20 dead children.
Sick fucks that you are.
Don't like black democrats much, eh?
I kinda figured.
You're silly ass don't give a fuck when a white guy actually incorporates tyranny.
Nope, not at all. You don't even notice.
So.
Shove yer gun where the sun don't shine and hope the safety's on and is working.
That is pretty much the basis of their bitching. When he was elected--there was going to be a civil war. Now, they are threatening another one.
Holy fuck, better give the right wingers whatever they want or we are going to have a civil war. Fuck 'em.
They didn't SCREAM like this when the Brady Bill was enacted by white guys.
They grinned and bore it and somehow blamed it on liberals.
But they didn't threaten to start shooting unnamed and likely unarmed people.
So who is it they think they're going to shoot.
Whoever Beck tells them to?
http://mediamatters.org/blog/2011/11/16/high-country-extremism-patriot-games/181612
Or.......whomever anyone else tells them to.
Hopefully the FBI is keeping an eye on these loonies. they are a lot more dangerous to life and limb than OWS.
How come God only seems to talk to violent, greedy, egotistical people?
They must have gotten stuck in the old testament.
Stuck in the old testament and figuring if they only could have been there in the directors chair - how differently things would have been - not realizing that they would have brought on the flood a whole hell of a lot sooner.
AND...........this is what happens when people worship a zombie. The world resembles a B movie.
I know that there is more to life than this reality we inhabit at the moment - but I also am sure it has little to do with man made religion. {:-]) liking you much as always.
Yep.
And what is God really saying to the candidates that he told to run for elections that lost?
That irony is important to the universe?
Bachmann got re-appointed to the intelligence committee.......:)
hahahaha
Yeah. It must be.
No intelligence shown there. None that is good anyway.
Right wingers? or just plain corpoRATist's? Don't fuck-em - smack em with a hammer or something.
CorpoRATist's is cool with me. That up there? That's right wing shit and the little preacher? Right wing trash that preys on people.
The tumor? Self declamatory - Hey?
I know, right?
Damn they are soooooooo boring right from the get go.
Yet the asshole didn't have a single word to say about actual tyranny in Michigan.
What a sad fuck up.
What a useless, likely racist, sad ass piece of shit.
Not a word about 20 dead children either.
Guns and Jesus.
If there is religion, this guy is the devil.
There is religion - the sad news is - that it is a construct - a construct ( several to say the least ) of man - for the use of that man and followers for the control/manipulation of others.
Good news is - there is true spirituality. Has pretty much nothing to do with man made religion.
Gun nuttery becomes Rosa Parks?
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/01/10/ted-nugent-gun-lovers-will-become-the-rosa-parks/
Can it get any stranger?
OMG - ( for real - not religion ) - How sick can some people be(?) and still be let loose to walk in public - without a keeper.
Some people can buy their way out of the nut house.
20 children dead, and all they can think about is more killing.
I once asked one of these gun nutters who he thought he was going to kill, after he hollered about a gun rights based revolution, and all he could do is give me a blank stare.
These people are in effect hypnotized.
No thinking involved - this is MINE - go way - get yer own - THIS Un Is MINE!!!!! In a "Nut Shell".
http://chuckbaldwinlive.com/home/archives/5345
Why, yes! Yes, he is.
http://chuckbaldwinlive.com/home/archives/5345
and for 25 smackaroos you can have a signed photo
They're all coming unglued, all at once.
20 children dead, and they've already forgotten.
Insane.
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/01/10/unhinged-tactical-response-ceo-threatens-to-start-killing-people-over-obamas-gun-control/
Did you read the stories on lead poisoning?
These people breath it every day at the range.
Every shot fills the air with it, in easily ingested form.
The problem is that they came unglued a few years ago as well. So, let the jack offs come unglued. They know that this isn't how it works and they are playing the dimwit cats. Fuck 'em. Fire the first shot.
What I find insulting about them is all the REAL institutionalized tyranny they have been ignoring for years.
Hell a lot of them even endorse it.
They are hypocrites masquerading as patriots.
And I think there's a whole bunch of them suffering from lead poisoning.
The man in that video is insane.
Exactly. They hint around and get all red in the face and this is an affront.
They get played and they look stupid.
On second thought. What makes a "Half Wit" Leftist like you think other wise?
It's time the left and right supporters of the 2nd Amendment form a cohesive strategy.
I suggest a full frontal assault on the truth of the high profile attacks, exposing them as bogus. The Newtown and Aurora shooting official narratives in particular fall apart under the lightest examination. Further questionable shootings: Columbine, Ft. Hood, & Virginia Tech. Also a full attack on the MSM as lying propagandists and social engineers.
"Agenda Prevails Over Truth" http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article33472.htm
"Does Truth Have A Future In America?" http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article33552.htm
To understand today's world, it is necessary to understand three concepts: false flag attacks, information warfare and control fraud.
Another clueless,low information voter. Thanks for reaffirming all of our preconceptions.
Your preconceptions are manufactured by the media, by the people that run you. Im guessing you are as clueless as the ones you think you are educating.
You're guessing.
That would constitute being clueless.
Supreme Court justice Antonin Scalia addresses the Chicago-Kent College Law justice Tuesday, Oct. 18, 2011, in Chicago.
Justice Antonin Scalia, one of the Supreme Court's most vocal and conservative justices, said on Sunday that the Second Amendment leaves room for U.S. legislatures to regulate guns, including menacing hand-held weapons.
"It will have to be decided in future cases," Scalia said on Fox News Sunday. But there were legal precedents from the days of the Founding Fathers that banned frightening weapons which a constitutional originalist like himself must recognize. There were also "locational limitations" on where weapons could be carried, the justice noted.
(RELATED: 3 Steps Obama Can Take on Gun Control)
When asked if that kind of precedent would apply to assault weapons, or 100-round ammunition magazines like those used in the recent Colorado movie theater massacre, Scalia declined to speculate. "We'll see," he said. '"It will have to be decided."
Note the 1994 gun "ban" did n ot ban guns - it banned the manufacture of NEW assault weapons
George H Bush signed an executive order in 1989 banning the importation of semiautomatic rifles that had certain characteristics. That ban was the precursor to the AWB from the Clinton era. The Bushes were almost as "bad" for gun owners as the Clintons.
Some sanity from across the border, plus lies the NRA told me.
http://rabble.ca/blogs/bloggers/djclimenhaga/2013/01/freedom-gun-terror-why-understanding-american-history-can-help-k
Yes the NRA lies through it's teeth about history and the founders.
Would you believe, the Boston tea party was about low taxes?
It was.
Believe it or the Disney/teabagge(R) version.
ATTENTION Gun Debaters…Please Read This Entire Article…‘The Riddle of the Gun’ By Sam Harris
http://www.samharris.org/blog/item/the-riddle-of-the-gun
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Lol you guys are hilarious, low information is what you just posted!
http://occupywallst.org/forum/the-government-banksters-are-coming-for-your-wealt/
Hey look!!!!!
The Koch brothers are in on this.
http://www.inthesetimes.com/article/14339/koch_brothers_gun_control
"Americans are calling for a ban on all guns, except for those carried by people who actually need them."
"Americans", equal a small vocal minority of mostly Democrats and other ignorant people who have been scared by the MSM and politicians into accepting a promise of safety in exchange for their Constitutional freedoms. They will end up with neither.
Who is the arbiter of who actually needs them??
Please don't make me regret replying to you.
Your FEAR is being bought and sold, and WE are paying for it.
Sometimes, with our children.
Welfare queen!!
Oh well,just another regret.
You
Are
A
Sick
Fuck
Dead children = "just another regret"
It's people like you that manage to convince me that a complete ban might be necessary.
I never felt that way until I met people that think like you do.
chicago has stringent gun control laws,.............didnt mean a thing, over 500 murders in chicago last year,..including children.
and you blame this carnage on what?
i dont bame it on anything, i just stated what went on in chicago
Which of course makes it meaningless.
Like most of your other comments.
chicago has strict gun laws and over 500 people were murdered there last year, draw your own conclusions.
Chicago is like a bucket with holes in it set in a pond, and someone made a law stating that no water may legally enter the bucket.
The rest is a result attributable to, either directly or indirectly, wealth inequality.
riiiiigh, the only reason people kill people is because they're economically disadvantaged.
That's not what I said.
Are you a dedicated FLAKESnews viewer?
Or do you just shoot guns frequently?
Either one could explain your comprehension issue.
YOU explain it, in your own words.
explain " wealth inequality"
NOPE.
I did that months ago.
You need to learn how to read, comprehend and do research beyond the incredible paleness of FLAKESnews.
Lots of links are provided below.
Use them.
See you in a month or two.
Google challenged, eh?
Or do you just refuse to research beyond FLAKESnews?
Since it's well know that conse(R)vatives are brain lazy and you have just provided even more evidence towards that end. I will do a bit of research for you.
Can you say thanks?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wealth_inequality_in_the_United_States
http://truth-out.org/buzzflash/commentary/item/17669-five-facts-about-america-s-pathological-wealth-distribution
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/08/cornel-west_n_2092900.html
Here's a visual too.
https://www.google.com/search?q=wealth+inequality&hl=en&client=firefox-beta&hs=wS3&sa=X&tbo=u&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&tbm=isch&source=univ&ei=VT3wUKCyLI3QqwHB9YHAAQ&ved=0CFwQsAQ&biw=1288&bih=735
And finally
Here is the tool used to accurately measure it.
http://www.gini-research.org/articles/home
Knowing that to the uninitiated brain, this stuff can take some time to absorb and understand, I would expect you to study it over the next few months, before you attempt to discuss it again.
PS, Shut off FLAKESnews, brietbart, Beck, Limbaugh and all other such sources of blatant misinformation.
See you in a month or two and good luck getting informed..................:)
I have. You use specific groups and distort history for your own cause. You know precious little about Chicago's history or laws and are hoping that no one else does either.
My conclusion is that you are a shill and, once again, you have failed.
what groups and what distortions of history? chicago guns laws ARE strict, yet there were over 500 murders of men, women and children there last year.
http://occupywallst.org/forum/15-year-old-defends-home-against-burglars-shoots-o/#comment-910768
Start right there, shill.
"shill" well,.....that was an in depth response.
You're not known for depth.
criminals will always get guns or anything else thats illegal. prohibiton didnt stop people from drinking or manufacturing alcohol. jfk's father made a fortune doing that. we already have a gun law in the usa , its the 2nd amendment.
Shill.
No. You've made me regret replying to you for this very reason. You have serious comprehension issues along with being a knee jerk Leftist.
But that's all they are to you......a regret.
A challenge to your gun nuttery.
You're knee jerking again.
No.
The knee jerk was you coming to this forum.
Passing off gun nuttery as if it was rational.thinking.
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More about people control than gun control.Should be called human violence not gun violence.That is ,what it is.Conservatives and liberals both suck and we should pass a law to control them.That way we can live in peace without there bullshit.
How mother fucking Libertopian of you.
Not at all I kind of place them right there with that NRA group.I just do not understand why I should follow the thinking of two groups that have managed to fuck things up.Mostly they stand around and point fingers at each other while we who are trying to get on have to hear them bitch and moan.
Nobody asked you to follow the thinking. At the same time, you offer nothing. This is currently what we have to work with.
I just do not offer anything you like to hear.So who the fuck made you the arbitrator of what is valid around here your highness?
Hey-act like another Libertopian shill and I treat you like one.
Act like another liberal/conservative partisan hack and you will be offended by me.
Bring it, babycakes.
What is a babycake?
Not sure.
I could only hope it is a term of endearment.
That's what I was going for.
Thank you.
Best post of the day.
Thanks ,If we can just get these anti freedom assholes to wake up we may get somewhere.I don't need no stinking permit.
You fucking piece of shit. Do you get a kick back on the rush to the gun shops?
The government may want to ban guns. But, as it should be in this country, the consumers are speaking with their wallets - record semi-automatic sales.
It appears to be so.I would rather spend my money on horses and scotch.But to each his own.
http://www.opencongress.org/bill/type/h
So,in other words you have nothing to contribute.
http://www.opencongress.org/bill/type/h
Do YOU get a kick back? You are either getting paid or you are really dumb as hell. A little from column A and a little from column B.
You clearly are very confused and uninformed. You're the typical low information voter that is valuable to politicians.
girlfriday and vqkag,........the horrible results when dems inbreed.
LMAO,the truest statement on the Forum yet.
Couldn't answer the questions?
couldnt comprehend the answer?
Your lack of reading comprehension shows.
You dumb motherfucker. The only one that is confused is you.
That's all you've got? That's rather dry and uninspired.
But the "best of" leftwing comebacks :-)
Yes,GF paints in one color brown.
Justice for Zim?
Tracking people like animals isnt a good idea. Dont try to control what you cant. You alleged right wing hacks should realize that.
But you did nominate Romney, probably a guy further to the left than Obama, so who the hell knows.
Well, I brought you 233 bills proposed of which many are geared towards gun control. Most of those bills aren't going anywhere. I can't dumb this shit down for you much more. You really are that stupid.
Gun control isn't the answer. It doesn't get any more simple then that,even you should be able to keep up.
That's what I like about you and your little right wing hilljack shit. You have nothing.
Scapegoat Hunter - Gun Control
Tuesday January 8, 2013 | The Daily Show with Jon Stewart
Gun rights activists' paranoid fear of a possible dystopic future prevents America from addressing its actual dystopic present.
The name calling and hysterics are trivial and irrelevant, we've been called "Pinko Commies" by toothless hillbillies since the sixties. Being called "Gun Nuts" will never hurt you. The urgent problem here is the tragedy and horror of everyday attrition and bi-monthly all out massacres by a device that does need to be around anymore, guns. I used to ride dirt bikes in the desert, but I had to quit because dumb asses were ripping everything up and generally wrecking havoc. I didn't do it, but I contributed to the numbers, noise and dust. The desert and the people who came to enjoy it were much more important than my riding pleasure. Peoples' lives are much MUCH more important than gun ownership. This was true a long time ago, that's why countries like UK banned them a long time ago. Now it's our turn. No more shootings. See if Jon clarifies this with humor.
http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-january-8-2013/scapegoat-hunter---gun-control
Jon couldn't clarify one syllable.
Remember,brevity is the soul of wit.
But first you must have a soul,sorry that leaves you out.
Well, I guess there's nothing left for you than to just keep praying and waiting for the rapture. Have fun
Stop crying and just take your marbles and go home.
Ammunition sales should be by an approved list just like purchase of guns should be by an approved list. Just like alcohol sale is to an approved list and tobacco is sold to an approved list like prescription drugs are sold to an approved list like drivers-license is sold to an approved list.
I think you can take all the approved list a shove them up your As-.
So it is wrong not to sell tobacco or alcohol to a child? Shove that up your As-.
No its wrong to allow a goverment the ability to make determinations of what a free person is allowed to do.It also does not seem to prevent any of the behavior to stop.The ideology of all we need are more laws just does not seem to be working out very well. Perhaps if people spent more time teaching all children what these substances can do we would have better results.Tobacco/alcohol/drugs/guns what ever laws just do not work. And the mindset that any social problem can be resolved with a law seems very ineffective in not all but most cases. Most people that smoke etc started when they were adolecents. People would rather pass a law trying to deny a behavior instead of getting to the problem of why would you want to make that choice.It is like the goverment is doing the work of a parent. We have many laws/many prisons and a long long approved list.
And such things stem from our separation Church and State which was originally meant as What is between a person and their God(however they choose to define)is NOT the business of the Government in this free land. If it(the gov.) attempt tell you otherwise it is surely corrupt!
I belive It to be so.
Well let us just pretend We have a free country to represent because that is what I keep telling myself and it seems to be working
Yep,Hope springs eternal.
I agree that gun laws will not stop murder. At the same time there is no good reason for having some types of weapons. Be happy if you have a single shot shot-gun to get a goose or a duck or a deer.
Much of the domestic violence is due to the ills of our society - employment - living wage - etc. all of the things that cause daily unrelenting stress.
This does not mean that regulations should not be in place to help limit the damage one deranged individual can cause.
Yes.But one ten or thousands should never infringe upon our rights.Saftey is the logic of tyrants.No matter where you stand the American bill of rights has been under a constant attack.Always it is for our own good.The ills of society have been caused by the greed of a few.The restrictions being put upon us are also by a few with the help of many .
Who is hurt by restricting the number of rounds that can be fired before you need to stop and reload? Who is hurt by making it a little slower to fire off the rounds in your pistol or rifle? You are not being disarmed. So why is it a bad thing to remove high capacity fast firing weapons from civilian hands? It has already been determined that these type weapons are not needed for self protection or for hunting. One shot kills just as dead as 10 20 100.
I think it all comes down on how many rights we willingly allow to be restricted.As to your questions. Americans do not trust there goverment.That in a nut shell drives the record sales.To me it is a waste of money.To each his own.The constitution is our permit to assemble bare /carry arms etc.
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The law says thou shall not kill. Only Goverments own f16, so yes they should be against the law in that form. People should watch there own children. Got any more ?
We are the government
I missed that.When did it happen?
1776
Before my time I missed that one.How long did it last?
Forever and ever Amen. Are you living in USA
Hambergers sizzleing on an open grill.
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Only in your case.
Why me? You don't even know me.
You seem to be in favor of them so why not you.I think you are just fine.But why not you.There is no longer such a thing as privacy.
Alcohol,tobacco,drugs and drivers license's are not Constitutional rights. I'm sure you can agree with that.
Why therefore should we allow the Government to regulate our rights even more to the point of infringement and confiscation?
Guns and ammo are already well regulated and any further regulation just infringes on our Constitutional rights.
This whole issue could be rectified for the most part by protecting our children with armed,qualified people in their schools.
We use armed protection for politicians,Hollywood stars,money,jewels,court houses,banks...etc.
Are our children not worth the same protection?
Alcohol and tobacco are individual choice freedom issues and drugs ( prescription ) is a freedom of health issue - drugs "recreational" should be a freedom of choice issue, driving while presented as a privilege is also a freedom of choice issue, so you have the right to bear arms - the right does not specify what types of arms and so are able to regulate what is allowable and what is not. No RPG for you. Same can be said for a semi-auto pistol or rifle - limit can be placed on the number of rounds that can be loaded at one time and the semi-auto can be limited as to it's capability - example a pump action shot-gun is semi-auto a revolver is semi-auto - a bolt action or lever action rifle is semi-auto - the limit is to the extent of the allowed function - like limiting the weapon from reloading itself to the point that the operator just needs to keep pulling the trigger.
Not to be redundant but:
Guns and ammo are already well regulated and any further regulation just infringes on our Constitutional rights.
The SCOTUS has already weighed in and the debate has been over for years.
Any new laws,any Executive Orders from here on out is just incrementally removing Constitutional rights from law abiding Americans.
There is no other way around it. It will be spun and propagandized by the MSM,the POTUS and politicians but the end result is again, removing Constitutional rights from law abiding Americans.
You can't be in favor of taking away Constitutional rights?
No I am not for taking away Constitutional rights - but I have no problem with sane regulations. Preventing the ownership of a clip/magazine that can contain more then say 3 rounds is not unreasonable. Limiting the function of a semi-automatic weapon to having a round ready but needing to be physically positioned by cocking/levering/pumping is not unreasonable either.
So you're for subverting the tools that support the very spirit of the 2nd Amendment.
You would be alright with citizens left to defend their lives,communities and nation if need be with inadequate weapons and ammo?
All that you suggest is unreasonable and will do nothing to stop madmen and deranged murders from accomplishing their goals.
It would only negatively affect law abiding Americans.
That depends on what you define as" law abiding" for it has become unamerican to abide by the way pretended correct as said law certainly does not represent the free land as it was intended I AM the We...
Who are you thinking about defending from? Our own Military? Game already lost - if our military is set upon us with no rebellion on their part.
It's irrelevant to get into a specific scenario or circumstance. The basis of our 2nd Amendment is still the same regardless of the tools we use to fulfill it.
Keep telling yourself that - many are lapping up that kind of BS and asking for more.
the bill of rights was written to protect the citizens FROM the tryanny of a govt by restricting what they govt cannot do. the lefties hate this, in fact they have no use for the entire constitution at all.
It's you who has no use for the Constitution. You have no respect for the Constitution. If you had the least little regard for the Constitution you would realize you don't need your silly phallic symbol killing machine substitute for your pathetic failed manhood.
You think the Constitution is a piece of shit. Democratic representation, separation of powers, checks and balances. Among other things. This means nothing to you. Just your ability to simulate sex acts with your disgusting killing machine. You think the Constitution is a real piece of shit don't you. Get some Viagra or something already and get the fuck over your penile dysfunction. Frankly, it's pathetic.
thats some rant buttercup. try reading what you type before you post it. you are deranged with your assumption of how i regard the consitution. by the way, i'm a woman.
'by the way, i'm a woman' - then it's worse than I thought. You have no excuse. You just think the Constitution is a piece of shit.
no excuse for what? you need to talk to your dealer, you've been sold some bas stuff.
And you need to consult dictionary while talking like that about constitution. Shows just how much 2013 need hear it Freedom Ring and how? Loud!
Your disregard for the Constitution is self-evident. No assumptions necessary you disgusting little toad. Stop inflicting the rest of society with what is your own personal erectile problems.
how wrong you are. i admire the wisdom of the men that wrote the consitution. especially george mason. look him up.
George Mason. Whatever.
Just out of curiosity - when are you gun hugging 'patriots' going to use your guns for the purpose of protecting us from potential tyranny? What's it gonna take exactly? Suspension of habeus corpus? Allowing indefinite detentions of US citizens? Plutocratic rule by corporations run amok? How come you don't get on with it already? What exactly are you waiting for? An engraved invitation? What's it gonna take? I mean hells bells, isn't any of this at least as bad as the East India tea tax subsidy that sparked the last armed revolt? Indefinite detention ok, tea tax subsidy not ok? Plutocracy ok, tea tax subsidy not ok?
Why don't you just admit you're completely full of crap.
if you feel you need protection, why not rely on yourself?
I'm not the one that insists guns are necessary. You are. I believe in the principles of the Constitution. You're the one that thinks the Consititution is such a piece of shit that you need a gun to protect yourself!
There is serious doubt that the Founders ever contemplated the use of the force against the government they had established at the very time they were actually establishing it! That's how come gun regulation is Consititutional! Try DC v Heller and US v Miller.
If they thought that the Constitution was such a piece of shit like you do, that it would take force to prevent tyranny, then they would have simply changed the Constitution as they were writing it if they thought it was so shitty! Are you completely dense?! Why would they write something so shitty that would take armed force to protect ourselves?! It defies logic. You have got to be a complete idiot.
Just admit you're completely full of crap or at the very best - y'all are nothing more than a pathetic bunch of wuss bags with weapons waiting for an engraved invitation. Even if you got an engraved invitation I think you'd still be a pathetic bunch of wussy bags.
Yes,that's very evident in the posts on this Forum.
You are loony tunes! Kinda/exactly like that wacko Jones! The BoRs are the first amendments to the Constitution!!
"We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."
to be exact,.the bill of rights are the first 10 amendment to the constitution
" so are able to regulate what is allowable and what is not."
It also does not say the Government can regulate what type of arms and ammo.
You're reading into the 2nd Amendment more than was ever intended just for your own agenda.
You are excluding - for your agenda.
My agenda is in complete continuity with the Founders.
Evan I of little education find you to be a complete moron.
Dear Evan,I wouldn't hold your lack of education against you. Apparently you haven't learned what a complete Moron is yet, are you suffering mild retardation possibly?
Evan I belive that may be possible.Yet it does not change the fact of your moronness.
Sorry Evan,but I can help you. "moronness" is not a real word.
If you can't comprehend this, that would explain why you have such a problem with facts.
Evan,does not have a problem with facts.The fact is your Moronness.Look at your handel- Outlawtumor-It scerams, hey look at me I am a moron.Nothing worse than an educated dummie.
" Moronness"???
"handel"???
"it scerams"???
"educated dummie"???
"hey look at me I am a moron"
Will there ever be a point at which you finally succumb to the irony of your posts?
Well look how much time you have put in trying to disprove it.You Moronic ass hole.
I haven't spent really anytime and there's nothing to "disprove". It's been rather amusing.
Are you really just trolling or have something of substance to spew on this subject?
Define substance.Is that like backward time travel?
It's as accurate a description of your gun nuttery as anything else I've heard so far.
Perhaps you have something more accurate?
Please do bless us.
You flatter yourself.
BTW - does that mean that you are into slavery?
As the Founders were not perfect.
Let's focus. We were discussing the 2nd Amendment,the spirit of the 2nd Amendment. In so far as that,...I stand by my statement.
If you insist on "complete continuity with the Founders," you get a musket in a well-regulated militia.
But...
The times they are a changing!
Slavery, gone!
Discrimination, gone!
Child labor, gone!
Prohibition, gone for booze, here for other drugs!
People are being shot and killed too easily by easy access to lethal guns. That we have to get rid of the guns is a NO BRAINER!!
The American rights to Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness includes NOT BEING SHOT! And they trump gun ownership.
Bye bye Wild West! Hello 21st Century!!
Tell that to Yemen. Tell that to Libya. Tell that to Iraq. Tell that to Pakistan. Tell that to Afghan. Tell that to Sudan. Tell that to Turkey. Tell that to Palestine.
Tell that to the dozens of countries we wreak havoc in. And then tell that to the people in congress who you are foolishly pandering to with thing they dont give a fuck about.
And then please go tell that to your neighbors, because they are you best chance. They are the only chance at anything positive at this point.
OK, Bush-Cheney fraudulent wars which we are leaving
and you're siding with the gun nuts. Gotcha
Yes, we ended Iraq. And then bombed Yemen, Libya and Sudan. While one occupation is in full swing (Iraq) we are setting up for others.
Us is building massive military build up in Africa- http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/07/pentagon-new-generation-military-bases-tom-dispatch
Im not siding with anyone. Why is everything always pitting one side against another with you older posters. Its about horizontal and discussion.
Im stating, with this thread, that asking an entity that is currently doing what our government is doing- absolutely zero respect for it you are a soverign nation or not- .....asking this government to take away all the guns is probably really dumb.
When you go around the globe creating war, eventually it comes to your shores.
H-Dipshit-C, I read the news, you're not telling me anything new. Where the fuck were you when the 1%-Cons lied us into this mess you blabbering halfwit!
I was saying it was a horrendous idea, like anyone else with a brain.
But Biden, Hagel, Clinton were more than happy to go all imperial with Bushie, werent they.
This isnt rocket science. They system is bought out, and it doesnt represent you. You may feel it does, but their actions prove otherwise.
Stop holding onto a false dream, that has been false since day one. Let go. Free yourself. Become Awoken :)
the 2nd amendment does not mention muskets or any type of weapon. the first amendment guarantees free speech and freedom of the press but does not mention the internet or t.v. or radio.
"internet or t.v. or radio" don't kill people in schools and theaters!
how about on the streets like they do in chicago?
Diminish the weapons, diminish the shooting, everywhere.
UK gun laws (and health Care), time to enter the 21st century.
uk guns laws are a joke, complete gun control and crime rate is up, fromerly unarmed bobbies now have to carry guns.
The Secret History of Guns
The Ku Klux Klan, Ronald Reagan, and, for most of its history, the NRA all worked to control guns. The Founding Fathers? They required gun ownership—and regulated it. And no group has more fiercely advocated the right to bear loaded weapons in public than the Black Panthers—the true pioneers of the modern pro-gun movement. In the battle over gun rights in America, both sides have distorted history and the law, and there’s no resolution in sight.
http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2011/09/the-secret-history-of-guns/308608/
Everything is a "NO BRAINER" for you,..could it be that's because you also are a "NO BRAINER".
Just say "NO BRAINER" and anything else.
What the hell?? On one hand you talk about "American rights to Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness" ,on the the other hand you don't believe in Americans right to defend that life.
This is why I have you pegged as a pseudo intellectual,because you basically are confused,inconsistent and wholly misinformed about many things. Especially concerning this issue.
"NOT BEING SHOT! "?????
Who has a Constitutional right not to be shot???
Where the fuck do you come up with this shit? Sorry,I know...it's a "NO BRAINER".
Coming from you I'm inclined to believe that.
ws is unhinged.
Here's the deal schlemiel, your Wild West delusion with guns is not "defending" anybody from anything but a long and healthy (un-shot) life. Therefore removing the guns "defends" the general public from being shot by them.
And no, the right to not be shot is not specified in the Constitution, but nor is leaving your designated FEMA Crazy Fucking RW Nutcase Re-education Camp prematurely. So you'd better get back before they send the drones out after you, and with that chip in your head, you know they'll find your escapee ass, and it won't be pretty! Sneak back or get swept up, the choice is yours 'Tumor.
Please if you've got nothing substantial to offer in rebuttal, just keep your inane blather to yourself,buried deep down and let it fester.
the choice is yours 'Tumor.
for the left,...... disarming the citizens of america is more important.
Yes,that is the agenda. We all knew this was coming,especially if he was re-elected. From here on out it is balls to the walls Leftist insanity.
obama & co. want an excuse for martial law,................going around congress , throwing out the 2nd amendment and issuing an executive order banning gun ownership would do it.
You were going to get a collapse regardless of either Romney or Obama.
The fact that youre too fuckin dumb to realize this means you really should be herded out to pasture with the rest of the idiots that thought Mitt Romney gave a flying fuck.
We need no excuse he told us We can do whatever We see fit and anybody that says otherwise- no matter who they may be tell them Oh Yes We Can!
A Modest Proposal … Take Two
Friday, 04 January 2013 | Bob Alexander | http://tvnewslies.org
Note: The first time I heard about "A Short History of Conservative Obstruction to Progress" was on Mike Malloy's radio program in 2008. I was so impressed with it I put it up in the "rants" section on Superbeans (http://superbeans.com/rant_02_01_08.htm) as a readily accessible reminder that The Elite, and the Crazy Stupid People that follow them, have unrelentingly opposed everything and anything that would benefit We The People. [Like reforming health care, ending the bogus Bush wars, and controlling guns so Americans don't get SHOT!!]
The key word here is unrelentingly. Conservatives are like the movie monsters from the Halloween, Nightmare on Elm Street, and Friday the 13th movies. You can’t stop them. You can stab them in the neck, set them on fire, or whack them in the head with a machete, but after a few seconds of getting their movie-monster-mojo together … they rise up again and again and again … and their murderous rampage continues until the closing credits. Unlike their victims, the movie monsters don’t need to stop to sleep, eat, or even catch their breath. But when their hapless quarry takes a breather … Watch Out … that’s when The Monsters Get You. [Zombies]
The Elite and their Crazed Conservative Shills in Congress are even more powerful than their silver screen counterparts. They can lose elections and still have the power to destroy. How could these people deny relief to hurricane Sandy victims? Because they’re monsters. Why are they still trying to destroy our social safety nets? George Carlin explained it all perfectly:
“They spend billions of dollars every year lobbying to get what they want. Well, we know what they want; they want more for themselves and less for everybody else. … And now they’re coming for your social security money. They want your retirement money. They want it back so they can give it to their criminal friends on Wall Street. And you know something? They’ll get it.”
They’ll get it because they’ve spent decades and untold billions to create and condition enough dumb-asses that don’t know what the hell is going on but believe, and deeply care about, gibberish.
Here are some Ugly American Facts. 61% of Americans don’t believe in evolution. 47% believe the universe is less than 10,000 years old. One child in four grows up not knowing how to read, 21 million Americans can't read at all, and the average American doesn’t read one book in a year. This means if you go outside … you’ve got more than a fifty-fifty chance of meeting a crazy stupid person. Hell … there’s a huge chance you’re related to crazy stupid people. I know I am.
My little circle of acquaintances and family members is positively teeming with crazy stupid people. Maybe you’re in the same boat. So how are we supposed to deal with people who fervently support war crimes, deny science, disregard facts, fear anyone with a skin color darker than their own, are completely unhinged by the concept of same-sex marriage, and believe it is more important to regulate vaginas instead of guns?
I’ve spent years struggling with that question and I’ve spent years doing what all good little liberals do … countering nonsense with facts. You know how that’s worked out? So far I have a 100% failure rate. Not one crazy stupid person budged one millimeter from their position. The Iraq War was A Good Thing. There is no such thing as Global Climate Change. There is no such thing as Peak Oil. Brown People are Scary. Gay people are Scary. Women are Scary. Gun violence is caused by everything but guns.
So I quit talking to these people because I finally realized a very simple fact. You cannot use a rational argument with anyone who is irrational. So put down The Big Book of Facts and walk away. Just walk away.
I read an article by Alan Greenblatt on the NPR website the other day: When It Comes To Politics, States Are Barely United.
The “Red” states are getting redder and the “Blue” states are getting bluer. I don’t think that would be a surprise to anyone who has sat across the Thanksgiving table while the fat-assed brother-in-law holds forth on the dangers of gay marriage. There’s nothing you can say to him that’ll change his mind. If you counter any of his dumb-ass arguments he’ll simply double down on his dumb-assery and keep talking until he runs out of steam. You can’t have a “two-way street” discussion with this guy. It’s not allowed. So now we get to the Modest Proposal part.
It’s not enough to passively avoid these dumb-asses. I’m not talking about “drawing a line in the sand.” It’s already there. They drew the damn thing in the first place. It’s time to actively shun these people. If this yahoo believes in denying anyone their rights you tell him he’s a goddamned fool. If it’s your house … tell him to get the hell out. If it’s his house … gather up your coats and hats and family and get the hell out. We’ve got to stop tolerating these dumb-asses. Piers Morgan dispensed with Gun Nut Larry Pratt by simply telling him, “You're An Unbelievably Stupid Man, Aren't You?”
We need more of this type of response to dumb-assery. We have got to put these dumb-asses on notice that we’re not going to tolerate their insanity any longer. We’re done with these yahoos. Crazy Stupid People should not be invited to the conversation because of a misguided desire to appear to be fair and balanced. The most ridiculous position I can imagine is to ask the people who caused the problem to help with the solution.
We’ve got to shun the dumb-asses because they have no interest in solving the problem. Their agenda is to make it worse.
Now I realize that my Modest Proposal is in no way helping to bridge the political divide that exists in the United States. Some might say it exacerbates the problem.
Really?
The fat-assed bother-in-law vehemently against same sex marriage is the problem. Ignoring him is the problem. Tolerating his ignorance and inhumanity is the problem. Telling him to shut up might be the beginning of the solution.
See here’s the deal … This isn’t about politics anymore … it’s about survival. We can’t have a bunch of bible-thumping morons influence the decisions about what to do about Global Climate Change. We can’t have these dupes of the corporatocracy interfere anymore. We’ve got to tell them to shut the hell up and go sit in the corner until the adults figure out what to do.
So shun ‘em and see what happens. Will the Blue States get Blue-ier and the Red States get crazier?
Yeah.
But that’s already happening.
Will it get better if we negotiate with Crazy Stupid People?
No. We’ll just lose more ground as the oceans rise.
Is there a solution to The Political Divide?
Probably not … but at least we’ll have the satisfaction of giving the crazy bastards the finger before we all sail off the cliff.
[This is what happens when you let an obsolete practice to continue past it's need and time, like slavery and denying women the Vote. Should have banned guns after WW-1. Better late than never. Bye bye Wild West, Hello 21st Century!! American Lives TRUMP guns!!]
http://occupywallst.org/forum/gun-nut-myths-filthy-rw-lies/
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Are you using voice recognition entry? Cuz my "smart" phone does that when I talk too fast, complete fucking gibberish!
Okay
Your post brings up something I’ve believed for a long time We are a seriously divided people in the US. The population is split about 50/50 liberal and conservative; and they hate each other. I mean a hate so venomous that no reasonable discussion is possible. Even the mention of talking to the other side would cause someone to be maligned and ostracized. The hate is also very apparent on this forum; as with most other forums.
So, my question is will we ever get past the point of all this hate. Seems to me to get worse every day. Since gun restrictions is the topic of this thread, let’s use it as an example.
From my viewpoint, as a gun owner, I see gun owners calling people in favor of gun control “gun grabbers” and other inflammatory names. I subscribe to a couple of local gun forums. The talk is rabid, Downright defiant. They say gun grabbers want to take their freedom. They say we are law abiding people, we do we have to give up any of our guns.
On the other hand, the people who want more gun restrictions say gun owners are evil, pro-violence, hillbilly trailer trash who should have their guns taken away.
However, the truth is most people who want more gun restrictions are just concerned about gun crime. And the 300 million gun owners are just you neighbors, co-workers and family members, not the low life’s you want them to be.
I don’t know the solution to our nations divide. I’m not sure we will ever again be able to talk to each other again. The divide is just too great, the voices too shrill and the hate too much.
Scapegoat Hunter - Gun Control
Tuesday January 8, 2013 | The Daily Show with Jon Stewart
Gun rights activists' paranoid fear of a possible dystopic future prevents America from addressing its actual dystopic present.
The name calling and hysterics are trivial and irrelevant, we've been called "Pinko Commies" by toothless hillbillies since the sixties. Being called "Gun Nuts" will never hurt you. The urgent problem here is the tragedy and horror of everyday attrition and bi-monthly all out massacres by a device that does need to be around anymore, guns. I used to ride dirt bikes in the desert, but I had to quit because dumb asses were ripping everything up and generally wrecking havoc. I didn't do it, but I contributed to the numbers, noise and dust. The desert and the people who came to enjoy it were much more important than my riding pleasure. Peoples' lives are more important than gun ownership. This was true a long time ago, that's why countries like UK banned them a long time ago. Now it's our turn. No more shootings. See if Jon clarifies this.
http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-january-8-2013/scapegoat-hunter---gun-control
I didn’t intend for this to be another gun debate. It’s almost pointless, nothing gets resolved and no one’s views are changed. I’ve become weary of trying to change people’s mind.
I’m also a former dirt bike rider. Rode around Barstow, CA mostly. But that was a lifetime ago. And I agree with you desert racing or off-road riding is destructive. I quit because I didn’t have time or money to do it anymore. Anyway, I digress.
I think I understand you beliefs, but disagree with linking legal gun ownership to gun crime. There is virtually no correlation. For me and tens of millions of other gun owners who have never hurt anyone with a weapon; and we want to keep our guns. We haven’t hurt anyone.
The reality is there probably will some level of new gun restriction. No one knows for sure how bad it will be, but my guess it will be banning new sales of semi-auto rifles, ban hi cap mags on all guns and require background checks on all gun purchases. All currently owned guns will be grandfathered in as being legal.
The problem is none of the new regulations won’t affect gun crime one bit. It’ll just hurt honest, law abiding gun owners.
Well try and watch the clip, sometimes humor transcends stubborn intransigent beliefs.
It's about lives, lives that guns are too easily taking away, irreversibly. That's why other countries like UK, that weren't cursed with John Wayne, banned them decades ago!!
We rode all over that desert but mainly Bean Canyon and Red Rock Canyon. We'd ride from the desert floor to the snowy mountain peaks on fire roads, trails and tiny goat paths. We picked up our stuff, cleaned up what we found, stayed on trails, and never pit-raced. But some were pigs, tore up virgin fauna, brought trash to dump, and ruined it for all of us. Isn't that the way things always go?? A few ruin things for the many? Dirt Biking Ruined by the few Pigs! Open Gun Ownership Ruined by a few Murders! Do you really want to selfishly cling to a practice that kills just one child?? How about that one multiplied by thousands per year?? There are other things that need to be changed, too. But no one gets shot in a school without a gun! Piecemeal restrictions are like a dike with only a small hole. Eventually you return to the way you were, flooded and shot. It only works if it's comprehensive, no holes! UK! If it saves just one life it will be a very good thing.
On bikes, I preferred racing. Mostly on an established loop. Sigh, but that was back when Triumph’s and BSA’s were top dog. Giving away my age I guess.
I think you’re sincere thinking taking away guns will solve the problems. However, I must disagree. I doubt Americans will ever hand in their guns like the Brits and Aussies. The gun culture is too embedded in the US. Just look at the big fuss about banning AR-15’s right now. Americans would draw the line at taking away guns they use for self defense.
$10K fine per weapon, generous whistle blower reward!
Hare and Hounds, Scrambles, Mammoth Grand Prix, Hope Town, Husky!! Art Knapp, JN Roberts, McQueen, Tracy's of Burbank!!
Most "self defense" guns end up shooting family and other innocents, very rarely a bad guy!
Well-regulated gun clubs and parks, no guns leave the premises.
Respectfully, it will never happen. Not in the foreseeable future anyway. Even in the current activity any new restrictions will be minimal. I’m sorry, but Americans will not give up their guns.
Let me give you an example. I’m a member of a couple of local gun forums. The talk is already defiant. Lot of people saying they won’t register any weapons. That sentiment is all over the interment. A lot of people are saying they will not abide by any new regulations. They’re almost daring the government to come after their guns.
There is no way to know how much of this talk is bluster. But I think millions of gun owners will, at the very least, refuse to register their weapons. Now if all this talk is happing on just banning new semi-auto rifle sales, how bad would it be if the government actually wanted ALL the guns. Personally I think any effort to confiscate ALL weapons would be met with armed resistance.
My point is, thinking all/most guns can removed from the US is not considering all the factors.
Yes, I'm sure everybody on the right is used to saying (no they don't learn), "Respectfully, it will never happen. Not in the foreseeable future anyway. Even in the current activity," for: Obama will never be reelected, Obamacare will never be upheld, we'll never end Iraq, we'll never get Osama, we'll never have Obamacare, Obama (a black) will never be elected, the wise businessmen Bush and Cheney will never crash the world economy, lie us into two bogus wars, let 9-11 happen, on and on and "it will never happen" on....
And we ALL know about the belligerence of gun owners, "We have the right to own guns, and we don't care that our right gets thousands of Americans killed every year, WE DON'T FUCKING CARE!!!
We also know, and so do you, that SHIT ain't flying no more!!!
The only "factor" is what saves lives (like cars that blow up, like food that poisons), you'd know that if you lost someone, but we're not waiting for that!
OK, I concede it’s best to never say never. Anything is possible. Probably more accurate to say “highly unlikely” the American government will ever try to confiscate or outright ban most firearms. As I said previously, the resistance would be insurmountable; and maybe bloody.
You can attempt to ignore between 80-100 million gun owners. You can call us names and berate us. But in reality gun owners, as a group, are among the most honest, hard working, middle class citizens. We are your neighbors, co-workers and family members. Sorry, but we’re not the toothless hillbillies you want us to be.
For instance, I’ve never been arrested, vote, pay my bills and taxes, went to work every day until I retired. Raised three daughters and love to play with my grandkids. I think Alex Jones is loony tunes, I think Fox News is stupid and I think our government is tyrannical. I’m nothing special, just one of the 80 million or so honest gun owners. To think we’re some type of foaming-at-the-mouth red neck who wants own a Howitzer is way off base.
Bottom line, we will give up our rights, or ability to defend ourselves, just because someone doesn’t like guns.
Thanks for your honesty.
I don't understand the disconnect here. You do realize that we are having this discussion because of the "bloody" gun violence and deaths that we are experiencing NOW. Thousands every year.
I will give you that responsible gun owners are good people and not the problem, for the most part. No one is ignoring them. How many of the Sandy Hook 26 were and would have been good people, maybe even responsible gun owners? Have you forgotten them and the thousands of others every year? They didn't lose a hobby, they lost their lives, shot!
I hope you can discern the difference and importance between a right to a hobby and a right to life.
OK, allow me to lay it out for you. This is just my opinion, but one I think is widely accepted among gun owners.
The focus should be on keeping firearms out of the hands of criminals; and preferably take guns away from the criminal element. No gun owner I know of (and I know quite a few) would object to tighter background checks, stiff penalties for straw buyers and some way to identify mentally unstable gun buyers.
Banning semi-anti rifles is feel good legislation. It won’t accomplish anything. Only approximately 3% of gun crimes are committed with rifles of any type. Most gun crimes are done with handguns.
Restricting gun magazine to ten rounds or less pointless. You can change out a mag in the blink of an eye.
I believe in gun training. Personally I’d like to see at least forty hours of how to properly and safely handle a weapon. There is current training available, but it’s mostly on how to shoot better. I doubt many gun owners would complain about more training.
I don’t see what gun registration accomplishes, other than maybe make it easier to identify a stolen gun. This is another feel good idea that doesn't fix anything. Besides, probably half the gun owners would ignore it.
So, I submit that making things more difficult for law abiding gun owners solves nothing. Put your effort into getting the guns from criminals and improved training.
On the topic of liberals and conservatives which you originally mentioned. America is so split I doubt the nation will survive another 100 years. Hate rules everything these days, no matter which side you’re on. I used to think Americans would never again go to war with each other. But hate is the rule of the day, and it just worse. I’m not sure it can be solved peacefully.
I'm done here. I have to go over to Stormfront for a discussion. I'm sure some people here will actually believe that.
There's nothing NOTHING in your old list that addresses the current problem. I see that you are continuing to ignore the blood and death that we are currently enduring. You seem to be sinking ever deeper into brainless dogma. Such a pity.
Of course you know in all fights in history, LIBERALS, when fully engaged, always win! We're smarter!
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I knew they would try. I did not and do not support it. A part of me thinks, with the record sales of semi-automatic rifles, that any measure will fill on its face.
FrankenFeinstein just delivered on a big part of Djobama's Unchained 2nd term. If this keeps up we'll be just like England by 2016.
U still here? sheesh - go preach to the birchers - they will no doubt love U. Go snuggle with the koch suckers.