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Forum Post: Something significant about the old false "Occupy DNA evidence" case.

Posted 5 years ago on July 21, 2012, 3:15 p.m. EST by frogmanofborneo (602) from New York, NY
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NYPD took a chain that was used in a protest in a subway station- not a murder, not a bombing, not a grand theft-- and snooped out the dna residue on said chain and stored this information!!!!

This practice produced a false report widely publicized in the media that DNA of an Occupy protester was found at a murder scene. This false report was echoed throughout the internet and media including on this very forum. Since the information that this report was false was not as widely spread I think it's helpful to post here that the report was untrue- and that the fact that this even happened shows a dangerous advance of Police State practices. Can you imagine dna being swept up and identified from every protest site????

Now parts of the media are "reporting" a "link" between the maniacal murderer of Aurora, Colorado and "Occupy" and a fictitious "black bloc organization." This stuff is now showing up here on this forum. This forum ranks pretty high and shows up instantly on Google, so what gets put here echoes and reverberates. I don't want to tell the moderators what their jobs are but I'd consider taking that stuff down if I were them.


Did NYPD Manufacture a Murder Tie to Occupy Wall Street because Its Terror Myth Is Dying? Posted on July 11, 2012 by emptywheel Let’s start with this. NYPD got its ass handed to it yesterday.

Specifically, Justin Elliott provided the definitive debunking of Mike Bloomberg and Ray Kelly’s repeated claims that their multimillion dollar Muslim profiling program has done anything to thwart the 14–or rather 3–terrorist attacks on NY since 9/11.

That wasn’t the end of the ass-handing, though. After Elliott’s piece, NYPD’s spokesperson Paul Browne started trolling Elliott’s comments, pretending the NYPD hadn’t repeatedly claimed to have stopped 14–or rather 3–terrorist attacks with their vast counterterrroism apparatus.

Elliott debunked that, too.

Mayor Mike, meanwhile, was backtracking–or perhaps forwardtracking–wildly, in another attempt to pretend the NYPD’s core terror myth wasn’t a carefully crafted myth.

And Ray Kelly? He hasn’t been seen to ask him about this ass-handing; maybe he was crying in a bar somewhere?

Meanwhile, last night, during the All Star Game, a new myth started.

Murder! DNA! Occupy Wall Street!

Starting with NBC, followed by a slew of other predominantly NY outlets, the press reported a flimsy story–sourced to law enforcement–claiming that DNA found on a chain left at an Occupy-related protest earlier this year matched DNA found at the site of a murder of a Pretty White Woman. Most of the stories didn’t include a caveat until the last paragraphs of the story that there’s no evidence suggesting the DNA belonged to any of the people who left the chain.

There’s no immediate evidence that the DNA belongs to the protesters who chained open the gates.

And none of them pointed out that the chain of custody suggested by the stories made the evidence useless in a trial (NBC, though, noted that NYPD has a suspect whose DNA doesn’t match any of this).

In short, it was facially a ridiculous smear, leaked by law enforcement (cough, NYPD), made to suggest in the press something NYPD has no evidence for in reality–that OWS are murderers.

No one, by the way, led with what should have been the blaring headline.

NYPD collects DNA at sites of civil disobedience

In short, the press got their asses handed to them.

Just so the NYPD would have company, I guess.

But then, later today, the NYT (which has was slow in covering Ray Kelly’s Muslim profiling, but has pointed to other problems with Kelly’s NYPD), did some rather interesting reporting.

The DNA that investigators initially believed was recovered from skin cells on the slain woman’s portable compact disc player and from the chain found after the March protest came from a laboratory supervisor at the Office of the Chief Medical Examiner, the person briefed on the matter said.

“The O.C.M.E. tainted the samples and it was the O.C.M.E. supervisor’s whose DNA was on both,” the person said.

But Ellen S. Borakove, a spokeswoman for the Medical Examiner’s Office, said, “We’ve excluded all medical examiner personnel.” She added that the office was still working on the test.

Now, either something’s funky with this report, or this is a giant scam. After all, wouldn’t the match come from a database search? How would both samples–plural–be tainted unless they weren’t working from a database match but rather from some invented reason to check the DNA samples side by side?

I don’t know the answer to that, but this much we do know. The NYPD has been known to plant evidence before (in drug cases). The NYPD loves to engage in myth-making to justify its heavy-handed policing (not to mention its budget). And, the NYPD has tried to insinuate Occupy Wall Street were terrorists in the past.

Perhaps it’s time for the press who reported this so breathlessly to start reporting on the underlying cop-work here?

Update: Thanks to Jay Ackroyd for the photo.



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[-] 3 points by frogmanofborneo (602) from New York, NY 5 years ago

I thought it important to being this knowledge to people who visit this site and I thank you for your comment. It's right on point.


[-] 1 points by frogmanofborneo (602) from New York, NY 5 years ago

I utterly despise Bloomberg and Kelly. OWS has to always be on guard for traps set by these scumbags.

This video speaks to Bloomberg's ignorant psychosis from the point of view of a taxi driver.

especially like the freeze frame at minute 2:42


[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33496) from Coon Rapids, MN 5 years ago

CSI New York - Gary Senise eats his gun.

[+] -4 points by vvv0721 (-290) 5 years ago

Poster Zendog is a serious nut case. See for yourself:




[-] 3 points by shoozTroll (17632) 5 years ago


Aren't you a sweet little liar, Bruce.

Your nuttery is much more serious.

You're bought and sold by ALEC.

[-] -3 points by vvv0721 (-290) 5 years ago

Again you prove you don't know shit from shinola, shooz. You don't know who you're talking to, or what you're talking about. I pity ZenDog because he's clearly insane. You, on the other hand, suffer from the arrogance of ignorance.


[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 5 years ago

So where's the proof?

Where's the 900+ bills enacted by the other "side"?

The point is, there is no proof, because those bills don't exist.

How about a cogent comment on voter restriction?

[-] -2 points by vvv0721 (-290) 5 years ago

What makes water wet?

Why does the sun shine?

Why is the sky blue?

What the fuck are you talking about, Fred?

[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 5 years ago

Get lost easy, eh?

Can't remember one thread from another?

Perhaps it's just another side effect of too much Viagra.

[-] -2 points by vvv0721 (-290) 5 years ago

And which thread would that be, Fred? The one you never posted that was true? Or the reply I never gave that was false?

[-] 3 points by shoozTroll (17632) 5 years ago

Yepperz, very lost indeed.

The one you never gave a proper response too.

Or at least the last one, but not this one.

You know one of those where you ignored the truth.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33496) from Coon Rapids, MN 5 years ago

Wow that's a lot to choose from.

[-] 3 points by shoozTroll (17632) 5 years ago

Like most, he is confused by too many choices.

It's the libe(R)tarian way. It just backfires on them too.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33496) from Coon Rapids, MN 5 years ago

Yeah you make a good point - I thought it might also have something to do with the fact that "he" does not know who "he" is.

[-] 3 points by shoozTroll (17632) 5 years ago

He often claims to be an us, or a we.

Delusions of grandeur?

I'm going to go spend some time with my family for a while, so have a little fun with him.......:)

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33496) from Coon Rapids, MN 5 years ago

Catch ya later - give em my best.

A little fun? Yeah I guess that pretty much sums it up.


[-] -2 points by vvv0721 (-290) 5 years ago

Who are you working for, DKAtoday? Who sent you here to turn this forum into a meely-mouth circle-jerk? Karl or the Kochs?

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 5 years ago

Romney or Obama?

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33496) from Coon Rapids, MN 5 years ago

Well there is that too - but of the 2 - I think it is mitten that knows exactly who he is - an anti-people obsessivecompulsivepatologicallying copoRAT whore. Obammer does seem to be confused = speeches/actions.

[-] -2 points by vvv0721 (-290) 5 years ago

Attention Clueless Slacktivists: Another way to identify the partisan posers, pro-regime propagandists and Geritrolls polluting this forum is that the majority of their threads will end up restating whatever the issue was in partisan terms for which the only choice is one or the other - Democrat or Republican, Obama or Romney - when in fact there are always a multitude of choices including NONE OF THE ABOVE.

[-] -2 points by vvv0721 (-290) 5 years ago

You don't know what you're posting about any more than Fred does. You're just a troll that needed a new bridge to live under and chose this one.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33496) from Coon Rapids, MN 5 years ago

U R funny - and U don't even know it.

[-] -2 points by vvv0721 (-290) 5 years ago

Post PROOF that I have ever posted anything but the TRUTH to this forum or FUCK OFF.

[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 5 years ago

You just did.

C'mon, show me the 900+.

If you're so smart and correct and such a great researcher, you should have no problem at all

Put up or shut up for once..

[-] -2 points by vvv0721 (-290) 5 years ago

Your reply is not relevant and nonsensical. The challenge is this:

Post PROOF that I have ever posted anything but the TRUTH to this forum or FUCK OFF.

[-] 3 points by shoozTroll (17632) 5 years ago

As I have said before, you do that by omission.

Although the biggest lie of all is that both major parties are just exactly alike.

A lie created by Karl himself and oft repeated.

If they are, show me the 900+ bills.

Or consider yourself a liar.

BTW, you never did say how many times you've been banned so far.

Another lie by omission?

[-] -2 points by vvv0721 (-290) 5 years ago

The challenge is this:

Post PROOF that I have ever posted anything but the TRUTH to this forum or FUCK OFF.

[-] 3 points by shoozTroll (17632) 5 years ago

Why should I fuck off, when you never put up, nor did you shut up.

Nope, you just continued to repeat yourself, like you are propagating the big lie.

Just like Ed said you should.

[-] 2 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 5 years ago

I'm not really obsessed with Obama but I think Republicans are

[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 5 years ago

All those pointless insults and not a thread of truth, Bruce.

Just another one of Karl's puppets.

Is it fun dancing on a string?

[-] -2 points by vvv0721 (-290) 5 years ago

I have never, ever represented anything as truth in this forum that I did not back up with links to substantial authoritative sources, "Fred" (as long as we're making up names, I'll use this one for you). You, on the other hand, post lie after lie after lie as if just you typing it makes it so. If you told me the sky was blue, I would still look outside to make sure.

[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 5 years ago

I'm sorry, but I guess you should quit linking to ironbolts sites then, and say something original.

You've told many a lie so far. Over and over.

Care to offer how many times you've been banned?

[-] -2 points by vvv0721 (-290) 5 years ago

"You've told many a lie so far. Over and over."


[-] 2 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 5 years ago

never heard about it before

massacre for 7 days of NEWS: discovered, denied refuted investigate, declared, debated, digested

[-] 1 points by jrhirsch (4714) from Sun City, CA 5 years ago

There is indisputable evidence of Bush and Obama DNA dispersed all over the dead in Iraq and Afghanistan. I think we can definitely make the link that both are members of two well known parties and thereby infer that both parties are made up of criminals.

[-] 1 points by frogmanofborneo (602) from New York, NY 5 years ago

You would not be far from wrong.

[-] 1 points by jph (2652) 5 years ago

yup,. more smear campaign bullshite.

The funny thing is what would it matter if an "occupy protester" was involved in any type of crime,. there is no membership, fees, or signup, this is social movement not a club or some hierarchical military organisation. These corporate folks have there heads so far up they just can not make and logical and reasoned sense, at all,.

[-] 1 points by frogmanofborneo (602) from New York, NY 5 years ago

OWS would not be any more responsible than the GOP was for Bundy, in fact less so.

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