Forum Post: "Someone has to say it"
Posted 12 years ago on Nov. 17, 2011, 4:02 p.m. EST by getitdone
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"Someone has to say it: mass violence against the police is necessary as part of any social struggle. We wish it wasn’t but it is. The reason is simple: the police defend the state unconditionally, the state defends capital unconditionally, and capital attacks us without remorse – or even a second thought. Reasonable liberals yearn for a compromise: but the state isn’t listening. Neither should protestors."
There is a fine line between violence and protecting oneself. This is a quote I found. I do not agree that violence is the solution. BUT protecting oneself, I do agree with. At the very least anyone protesting should be suited up in protective gear, helmets... unwarranted violence from anyone should never be tolerated or accepted, period. You can defend yourself WITHOUT being violent.
Patience, my friend. This is a long struggle. The police will hopefully change their tactics. They do not want "bad press" any more than the rest of us.
"getitdone" sounds exactly like an "AGENT PROVOCATEUR", inciting OWS to violence that would prove suicidal to the Movement.
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The anti-Nam movement. The independence of India. The civil rights movement. The Tibetan independence movement.
This is a disgusting and dangerous idea. Every social movement in the last half-century that has achieved lasting change has done so through nonviolence. Nonviolence is the ONLY path to legitimacy.
We are no different than those we protest if we stoop to the tactics they use against us. We are better than that.
We are the 99%.
Martin Luther King and Gandhi are turning over in their graves right now.
This is a fight against something more powerful than anything we as a people have ever fought against and likely will ever fight against short of another civil war. Not to take anything away from or the significance of the past but you cannot compare this to MLK or Vietnam. This is a much larger, more powerful opposition with more power and money than we as a people have ever fought against.
You got that right. Even mentioning this insanity with their efforts is a disgrace.
Please READ the entire post
I did. And they are turning over in their graves right now. You people are a disgrace to their names if you equate yourselves with great men like that. You are just greedy children who want without having to work for.
I don't equate myself with anyone. Don't put words in someone's mouth. This is not about me, or you. This is something far bigger and just thinking in such terms as anything, or any person, that has happened in the past would be inaccurate. This is not religion. It's not an oppressed people. It's not just injustice... It's much bigger.
Let me reiterate. I said what was being fought against now is a far more powerful opposition meaning there are more people with more power who stand to gain in keeping things as they are than anything in the past.
Denying this is denying reality and not fully understanding the oppositional forces involved. This goes FAR BEYOND just this country or any one country.
In the words of the Great Deceiver, "Let me make myself clear!" You clowns are not going to change anything by running around breaking the law, fighting the cops, blowing shit up, and acting like fools. It doesn't matter how formidable your opponents are, if there are political avenues to peaceful change open to you, then violence is counter productive.
Great Deceiver is apropos for your comment. I am talking about protecting oneself against violence... Not infighting it.
You're reading skills are challenged.
No form of politics that currently exists will help the situation. Activism is the only way things will change. Politics must change before things can improve, there is no other course of action possible if we are to have change.
Look for ways to make the Police and others be brutal against us... for now, don't be brutal back. Walking headlong through a police barricade and allowing them to slam up down or beat us with a Billyclub - THAT garners support to our cause. NOT blocking the subways, stopping traffic or terrorizing citizens is the way to peoples sympathies. It's the establishment that's broken... If we allow the establishment to make us look disorganized, savage or unfocused, we risk everything. This is a just movement, but it is NOT (yet?) a revolt or a Revolution. Let them make the mistakes. Don't give into hate. Think of the original forefathers of our country... A whole lot different from the goofs that run it today.
I totally agree.
Lol, Occupy movemets have vandalized cars, areas, buildings, owners business and even scared little kids. Im glad the police are there to beat your asses back and keep you in check. If you guys didnt smoke so much weed and meth, and actually had friendly protests, this wouldnt happen. Deal with it.
Learn akido and different ways of restraining individuals.
Restraint /= violence
and
Violence /= Justice
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FG2JLn1gJk
who fires first???
No one... that's the idea. To show that you no longer accept unwarranted violence. That you will legally protect yourself from unwarranted physical violence.
So, you joined, just today, to incite violence?
Not at all... in fact the opposite. There is a fine line between violence and protecting oneself. This is a quote I found, link attached. I do not agree that violence is the solution. BUT protecting oneself, I do agree with. There should be a group of people who volunteer each day to suit up and be the "front line"
As I said...
At the very least anyone protesting should be suited up in protective gear, helmets, pepper spray... unwarranted violence from anyone should never be tolerated or accepted, period. You can defend yourself WITHOUT being violent.
http://reallyopenuniversity.wordpress.com/2010/12/13/on-violence-against-the-police/
At the very least anyone protesting should be suited up in protective gear, helmets, pepper spray... unwarranted violence from anyone should never be tolerated or accepted, period. You can defend yourself WITHOUT being violent.