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Forum Post: Somebody wants to bail out big oil, while we are experiencing local health emergencies.

Posted 3 weeks ago on March 10, 2020, 8:20 p.m. EST by gsw (3286) from Woodbridge Township, NJ
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[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 1 week ago

''Like Previous Pandemics, Covid-19 Will Shape the Fates of Nations''

Is the full title of your interesting second link above. Deserves a read imo .. as does this:

respice; adspice; prospice ...

[-] 1 points by gsw (3286) from Woodbridge Township, NJ 2 weeks ago
[-] 1 points by gsw (3286) from Woodbridge Township, NJ 2 weeks ago

Check out at 38:00 response to coranavirus, developing tests, ordering supplies, is on the governors.

https://youtu.be/VUVL5OTs-JM

Really? That is a lot to give to the states and governors, in a national crisis.

Literally, take no responsibility, war time presi

[-] 1 points by agkaiser (2430) from Fredericksburg, TX 2 weeks ago

If the possibility that 70% of the population contract Covid19 is realized, we're in deep shit! Hospitals and clinics will be overloaded and undermanned. Electrical power plants could go offline for lack of manpower to operate, Food and critical goods distribution could be insufficient due to too many sick transportation workers ... etc. the whole real economy could fail to provide enough of the goods and services necessary for survival.

What bothers Trump and the rest of the cons? The clowns running this circus are worried about the parasitic abstract economy of Wall St and Exxon!

[-] 1 points by beautifulworld (23150) 2 weeks ago

U.S. must build hospitals right now. China built a load of emergency hospitals when COVID 19 broke out and it helped immensely.

We cannot be turning people away because there aren't enough beds. This country has the money to test everyone who needs a test and to create a hospital scenario with a bed and respirator for everyone who needs it.

People over profit now more than ever!

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 3 weeks ago

''Corporations are human creations. We can't let them threaten our survival''! ... by David Korten:

''The concentration of corporate power is driving us toward catastrophe. We need new organizational models that serve the common good.''

From your 1st link: ''According to Washington Post ... the Trump administration is “strongly considering” federal assistance for oil and natural gas producers wracked by plummeting oil prices as a result of the growing coronavirus outbreak.'' & so also note:

From the 2nd link .. ''In addition to greater mismanagement, however, we can point very specifically to real malevolence and deliberate inaction on the part of Donald Trump to do everything in his power to avoid confronting the scale of the virus in the United States.Not only did his government dismantle the pandemic response unit in 2018 set up by his predecessor but he’s now scrambling to keep any crisis from affecting his reelection chances by simply pretending it doesn’t exist.We’ve only seen him slightly spring into action to attempt to protect the economy from entering a recession, otherwise it’s just been more tweets about how things are perfect. Except they’re definitely not ...'' & so consider ...

Finally from link 3: ''In the United States, a primary stumbling block to widespread testing has been the stubborn decision by the CDC to stick to its own, flawed testing methods. CDC rolled out a coronavirus test in February ... out only to discover a problem with one of the reagents critical to the test’s reliability. Yet as the CDC has scrambled to fix its own test, another functioning test has been available.WHO has successfully provided a competing German-developed test to countries across the world,allowing them to better trace the spread of the virus, not only confirming cases in obviously sick patients, but tracking down contacts who may have a mild form of the illness but can still spread it to others.'' + Also note ...

respice; adspice; prospice ...

[-] 2 points by gsw (3286) from Woodbridge Township, NJ 2 weeks ago

Shitstorm fast approaching........Katrina 2 on a much larger scale

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/03/coronavirus-showed-america-wasnt-task/608023/

[-] 1 points by gsw (3286) from Woodbridge Township, NJ 2 weeks ago

Government should fund sick leave to stop the virus, not prevent sick leave Here Are the 51 Republican Senators Who Just Voted Against Expanding Paid Sick Leave to All Workers https://www.commondreams.org/news/2020/03/19/here-are-51-republican-senators-who-just-voted-against-expanding-paid-sick-leave-all

P S

Thanks Lindsey for tacking back the $1000 your president was bragging he’d be sending out to help us commoners survive

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/03/lindsey-graham-urging-trump-not-to-send-direct-payments-to-americans-as-part-of-coronavirus-relief/

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 2 weeks ago

"The US Had Early Warning Of The New Virus ... BUT it suppressed that information. In late January, just as instances of COVID-19, the disease caused by the coronavirus .. began to appear in the United States, an infectious-disease specialist in Seattle, Helen Y. Chu, realized that she had a way to monitor its presence. She had been collecting nasal swabs from people in and around Seattle as part of her flu study & proposed checking them for the new virus. State and federal officials rejected that idea .. citing privacy concerns and throwing up bureaucratic obstacles related to lab licenses.

''Finally, at the end of February, Helen Chu could stand the intransigence no longer. Her lab performed some tests and found the Coronavirus in a local teenager who had not travelled overseas. That meant the disease was already spreading in the Seattle region among people who had never been abroad. If Helen Chu had found this information a month earlier - lives might have been saved and the spread of the disease might have slowed but even after the urgency of her work was evident, her lab was told to stop testing.

''Chu was not threatened by the government, like Li had been in Wuhan. But she was just as effectively silenced by a rule-bound bureaucracy that was insufficiently worried about the pandemic & - by officials at the Food and Drug Administration & the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention - who may even have felt political pressure not to take this disease as seriously as they should.

''The United States of America, long accustomed to thinking of itself as the best, most efficient and most technologically advanced society in the world - is soon about to be proved an unclothed emperor. When human life is in peril - we aren't as good as Singapore, as South Korea or as Germany. And the problem is not that we are behind technologically .. the problem is that American bureaucracies & the antiquated, hidebound, unloved federal government of which they're part - are no longer up to the job of coping with the kinds of challenges that face us in the 21st century. ''


The above is excerpted from your link:

et spero meliora ...

[-] 0 points by grapes (5232) 2 weeks ago

Suddenly, the Japanese realized that their culture, their political system, and their technology were out of date. Their samurai-warrior leaders and honor culture were not able to compete in a world dominated by science.

Beware of what the "Meiji Restoration," by losing its moral compass, the warrior code or honor, had led to: a depraved militaristic Imperial Japan that plagued its neighbors.

After being revealed a new element in our world, my neighborhood-boy playmate and I became preschool-scientists without a moral compass as there was no magnetic compass in "my den" under the bed. Without moral guidance, "mad" scientists sprout galore. From science, service... but to what end?

CoViD-19 virus is very unusual and improbable if it has arisen from random mutations. Imperial Japanese Army Unit 731 toyed with many bioweapons but they weren't deployed on a large scale to all of China ( although some might have been tested in controlled-study-wanton-killings-disallowed area of East China ) because many Japanese soldiers themselves were infected and there was fear in the occupying army leadership that it might trigger neutral nations into war with Imperial Japan. Bioweapons [ against human populations ] aren't easily controllable because they depend on the chain reaction acting among bio-fissile nearly identical ( > 99.9% of genome content being the same; modern human beings are inbred ) units available in count of billions. Only anthrax came close to being used like a conventional chemical bomb ( with antibiotics antidote treatment afterwards ) which is why it was researched by the major military powers. It may be weaponized to a huge scale but doing that would be silly, wouldn't it? "Warum haben wir Kriege?" "Um zu kriegen!" Well-fed well-fucked populations tend to be more peaceful because their need for "kriegen" is satiated. It's well documented in Biology that most species live, fight, and die for food and sex. Being well-fed satisfies the need for food. Being well-fucked satisfies the need for sex and hence reproduction ( for "eternal life.") Both lead to survival in pleasure, the hedonistic end of life itself programmed into living beings via their pleasure-reward ( in human beings, via opiods ) bio-circuitry.

I played the fishing game in my first kindergarten where each fish made of cardboard had a score printed on it and an iron mouthpiece attached. Each one of the four fishing rods had an iron-bell-clad-around-a-short-cylindrical-magnet-"bait" for picking up each fish from the cardboard-pushed-into-slots-of-wooden-rods "pond" to be set aside for the tally at the game's end when all of the fish in the "pond" have been "caught." Whichever player had got the highest score sum total printed on the fish which were "caught" won.

With every breath you take, every move you make,

this is the peoples' "war."

April 1st is only a short two weeks or so later when warmer weather will supposedly make CoViD-19 go away. In the year 1666, Isaac Newton left London when schools were closed to avoid himself getting the plague and therefore gaining the time to think...

[-] 0 points by grapes (5232) 2 weeks ago

Food supplies at least are not a problem. Do you remember that there was a tariff war going on and the farmers complained of not being able to sell their products overseas? Well, now we can eat the stockpile at home! No trans-ocean shipping cost needs to be incurred although I expect that there will still be some such shipments due to the quantities available. If we so-called "overreact," we'll probably have weathered the pandemic within three months ( the U.S. has a herd mentality so it can turn on a dime en masse, with many mass gatherings being delayed or cancelled; just a week ago, we've got, "Now fk off!" ) For example, Taiwan, having prepared for yet another SARS epidemic, fared very well in this CoViD-19 pandemic despite its many ties to the origin of the pandemic ( which is absolutely not the U.S.A! Would Donald Trump, the germophobe, permit creating CoViD-19 bug to strike down his hotel, resort, and golf course businesses worldwide? He's smarter than that! His near brush with CoViD-19 showed that he was even personally vulnerable despite all of the security { but not BSL-4.} Besides, he is in the three-strike high-risk group of being male, over 60 years of age, and over 70 years of age, but not any older than 80 years of age. A close call can change behavior drastically as I learnt to appreciate the beauty along the long and winding "scenic" "man-never-got-lost" routes after my Big Brother had carried me on his back once and only once { as I became forever scared thereafter } over and across the gap near what he had casually called the "Skeleton Pit with ¡crushed skulls!" in order to climb quickly to the top of the precipice { as climbing back down would have been much more precarious }.)

The getting-food-to-people problem may still exist in the distribution mechanism but we had prepared for a biowar ( after a few domestic-terrorism anthrax attacks post-9/11/2001 ) so we should have had at least some significant applicable supplies stashed away, although they may not be at the scale for a pandemic. When our military surged to West Africa and teamed up with Cuban ( with Fidel Castro's blessing! ) healthcare/medical professionals to fight Ebola hemorrhagic fever in 2014, we certainly had the logistical capability--the sight of American troops backed up by the Cubans struck home the seriousness and importance to keep borders open to medical supplies and medical personnel casualties/evacuees. Our military is still around with us and has significant distribution capability if it hasn't already been "vented out" ( I wonder whether having synthesia allows one to detect dark skin colors as a stink; I suspect that diet plays a significant role in body odors; I can naso-geolocate while driving on the New Jersey Turnpike because I can smell Chemotown and Currytown ) as the "Whites' House" was. The hope still lives.

Erection has Con sequences. Our President, Speaker of the House, and leading candidates for the Presidency are all in the high-risk-for-dying older group for CoViD-19 so they should have realized that this is an absolutely nonpartisan challenge and act accordingly. According to Chinese Mainlander CoViD-19 death statistics ( but ¿not Italian statistics?,) being female gives our Speaker of the House an advantage for surviving, over the males. The dependency on country may be showing a sex-at-birth cultural element affecting the medical care provided or the quality thereof. One can create in one's own mind a mirage of death and the mirage can of its creation become real by causing death.