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Forum Post: Some Say the Movement is Done

Posted 12 years ago on Jan. 26, 2012, 11:22 p.m. EST by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT
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Some insist the Occupy Movement is in dire straights, utter disarray, soon to fold completely and disappear from the American landscape.

This is of course, the hopeful notion of fools deluded by the allure of current market opportunities and the empty promises made by those propping up a system of fraud and of corruption.

Marketing firms, on the contrary, know full well what mood the nation is in. Consider the television advertisement airing on CBS in the Burlington area promoting a JCP sale dated 2.1.12.

It features few verbalizations - screams of rage, and a single word articulated in a variety of ways -

  • No

These screams and verbalizations of no are juxtaposed with images that feature various sales markdowns. The first and most prominent of these indicate a sale of some 60%

  • Yesterday and yesterday only

This advertisement is featuring inherent unfairness as a sales gimmick. This reflects the depths that this issue has breached the social consciousness.

Inherent unfairness within our social and economic infrastructure will not go away on its own accord.

Nor will the current mood of the people.

The Occupy Movement is simply representative of the more agitated specturm within that overall mood - and so long as unfairness remains institutionalized to the degree that it currently does, this mood will become more prevalent and more pronounced.

Sophisticated marketing firms know this is true, they know it is true because they have sophisticated demographic analytical tools that can quantify in detail public sentiment.

Sophisticated marketing firms have empirical evidence - inherent unfairness is a subject on the public mind.

And the public mind says

  • Enough is Enough.

So does the Occupy Movement.

Who really believes the Occupy Movement is done?

Only those so consumed by a complete inability to commerce with truth, so inept in the face of fact, and so unfamiliar with the process of reason, that their only recourse is to traffic in LIES.



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[-] 2 points by NKVD (55) 12 years ago

Not done by a long shot! We will prevail and make real change!

[-] -3 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 12 years ago

It is interesting to watch the naysayers squirm . . .

[-] 1 points by CephaIus (34) 12 years ago

Occupy will soon split. Those who want to work within the government by making demands will become more prominent than the anarchists. Either they will take over Occupy, or they will create a new protest/movement. I think this will happen sometime after the elections when making demands to a newly elected President will make a whole lot of sense.

Most Americans don't want to replace the republic with general assemblies on each street corner, and most are not ready for a civil war that would be required to overthrow the government. The ideals of the anarchists represent a tiny fraction of the 99%.

[-] 1 points by BradB (2693) from Washington, DC 12 years ago

Former CIA Agent's Message to America - WATCH NOW


[+] -5 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 12 years ago

Your link the guy sounds like commander Kurtz of Apocalypse Now . . .

Blog that

This might be the same guy here -

He is advocating the electoral reform act 2012 - and I'm not sure if I've seen this one or not. There are several proposals before the public at this point, including at least three proposed Amendments to the Constitution.

I'll have to look into it.

[-] 1 points by BradB (2693) from Washington, DC 12 years ago
[+] -5 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 12 years ago

He says some interesting and provocative things.

It is usually easier to analyze statements when they are written. Given that he has a video out where he sounds like Commander Kurtz I begin to speculate on his perceived target audience.

Such speculation brings into question issues of intent, method, and motive.

I'm not certain - but I might be tempted to agree with his advocacy in the first link . . .

and that is a very very sick prospect indeed.

[-] 1 points by BradB (2693) from Washington, DC 12 years ago

hehehe ;) ... it does sound like a bit of truth is in there

[-] 1 points by OccupyCapitolHill (197) 12 years ago


[+] -5 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 12 years ago

I don't know what that means

care to elaborate?

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 12 years ago

too long didn't read

[+] -6 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 12 years ago

thanks - I guess it should have been obvious.

[-] 0 points by Obummer (-16) 12 years ago

OWS was averaging around 20,000 per day in contributions and on Dec 17 only 98.00 was brought in. Is OWS dying???? yes it is


[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 12 years ago

Excellent Post. We have only just begun. There is a long road ahead and much work to be done. That is OK. We are American workers, we know how to carry the weight of the world on our shoulders. I shit you not!!!!!!!!!!!!

[+] -5 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 12 years ago

thanks man. power to the people . . .


[-] -1 points by mediaauditr (-88) 12 years ago

ZD, your inherent unfairness concept isn't strong enough to carry your idea through. You assume we agree with idea of fairness. TO THIS DAY, I've never seen a concrete definition of what is fair.

Is it fair I have to sit down to take a dump? Is it fair I have to exercise everyday to keep from blowing up like a balloon, having to get lifted out of my bed with a forklift? LIFE IS NOT FAIR.

What's your definition of fair, as it applies socially and economically to our society?

[+] -4 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 12 years ago

Generally I think most people tend to know when they are treating others unfairly - not always perhaps but most of the time.

We see responsible parents spend an inordinate amount of time attempting to teach such principles to their children.

Humanity has had such difficulty with this issue that the Judeo/Christian tradition tells us this is the reason for the law and the prophets.

We have some stark examples of unfairness today - beginning with the influence of monied interests on our electoral process - this is one where there is widespread public agreement, and even some members of Congress favor changes in this regard.

Staying with this example, we do see how deeply the principle of unfairness has been institutionalized within our political system by those who oppose changes that will curb the influence of money on our politics.

To simply say life is unfair is no justification for unfairness in our interactions with each other any more than it is in the policies that govern us.

It is our obligation, to ourselves, and to future generations, to attempt to rectify these instances when they arise.

[-] -1 points by headlesscross (67) 12 years ago

Jeez ZD it isn't the Govts. responsibility to make life fair for citizens,to rescue people from poor life decisions,to level the so called playing field.

This is a fundamental problem with you Leftists,you want a Govt. run cradle to grave nanny state but at the same time you think you will retain freedom as usual. Ain't going to happen.

Your Leftist ideology is done. Obama done wrecked any chance for your kind to win another POTUS election. The Left has lost the war!!!

[-] 0 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 12 years ago

and of those that take advantage of others though legal means

and the others who are suckers for a bad bet are punished

[-] -1 points by Kirby (104) 12 years ago


[-] -1 points by mediaauditr (-88) 12 years ago

Great points. Would you agree that the most effective place to for American's to effect change is at the voting booth?

[+] -6 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 12 years ago

You must be new around here - the answer is that the voting booth is a place where Americans may effect change.

Given the state of the nation I would suggest that today, the place to be most effective may begin on the street - and I say that after having observed the influence of the Occupy Movement on members of Congress, on television broadcasting, and on the advertisers who pay for time on the air.

[-] -2 points by Kirby (104) 12 years ago

One persons truth is another persons lie.

[-] -2 points by Ninetyninenot (-57) 12 years ago

But it never was a movement. That's was always just aspirational hype.

But when you claim to represent virtually everyone, but even in our biggest cities, the only people that show up are tiny numbers of maladapted life-long socialists and needy and inexperienced 20-somethings, one thing is clear: You don't.

[-] -3 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 12 years ago

But it never was a movement

You can debate that at this point if you like, to which the college kids will insist that it is indeed a movement, one that is global in scope, and that the Occupy Movement here in the U.S. does indeed find international solidarity with other organizations who have expressed support.

Organizations like:

If you are not satisfied with consumer market analysts who recognize the current public mood, all I can possibly say is . . .

time will tell

and you are most certainly going to be quite disappointed.

[-] -1 points by Ninetyninenot (-57) 12 years ago

College kids, thanks for the reminder. Yeah, that was funny, probably no funnier than Occupy Harvard. Whaaa, whaaa, make someone else pay my student loans.

Maybe the OWSers want to shut up about the whole Egypt thing too. Yeah, solidarity with a bunch of lunatic muslims that trade one tyranny for another. Now they do virginity checks. Solidarity! Just another data point about the utter thoughtlessness and misdirected energy of these people.

[+] -6 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 12 years ago

Egypt has a completely different culture than we do. They got rid of a corrupt leader and now they have the bureaucracy that supported his rule to deal with.

What you just said - "the OWSers want to shut up about the whole Egypt thing . . . Now they do virginity checks. Solidarity!" suggests doing nothing in the face of flagrant disregard for basic human dignity. The virginity checks are deliberately intended to humiliate and to intimidate women in Egypt, thus stripping them of their voice.

The U.S. government is a major supporter of the Egyptian military. I don't think it is likely that the Occupy Movement will end it's support for the Egyptian revolution. The people of Egypt are not done, the Occupy movement will and does continue to support them, this is not only an obligation for anyone who holds matters of justice and human rights as essential to the future of humanity; it is also likely to produce some positive results -

Pressure on the U.S. government by the people is likely to result in pressure from the U.S. government on the current Egyptian leadership to curb such practices.

[-] 0 points by Ninetyninenot (-57) 12 years ago

The OWS moonbats are indiscriminate in "solidarity" because it doesn't stand for anything other than simpleminded energy of protest and whining. That's why they talk of "solidarity" with Egypt; that's why they can't comprehend that islamic tyranny is now their choice. Yes, solidarity with Islamists. Fantastic. It's about as thought of as the other OWS dribble.

[+] -6 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 12 years ago


Because that's strange - I really thought that solidarity with feminists within the Islamic world was one fine method of undercutting those who support theocracy based on religious dogma including sharia law . . .

[+] -6 points by GirlFriday (17435) 12 years ago

OWS is not done. Not by a long shot.

[+] -5 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 12 years ago

I think it's kinda cute watching the fools speculate it is.

Just how delusionally hopeful can some people get?

[+] -5 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 12 years ago

checking now