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Forum Post: Some of Christie's biggest bills match model legislation from D.C. group called ALEC

Posted 2 years ago on April 6, 2012, 11:28 a.m. EST by GirlFriday (17435)
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Drawing on bills crafted by the council, on New Jersey legislation and dozens of e-mails by Christie staffers and others, The Star-Ledger found a pattern of similarities between ALEC’s proposals and several measures championed by the Christie administration. At least three bills, one executive order and one agency rule accomplish the same goals set out by ALEC using the same specific policies. In eight passages contained in those documents, New Jersey initiatives and ALEC proposals line up almost word for word. Two other Republican bills not pushed by the governor’s office are nearly identical to ALEC models. http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2012/04/alec_model_bills_used_in_nj_la.html

AND check out these two responses to the article. http://blog.nj.com/ledgerletters/2012/04/star-ledger_report_on_alecs_ro.html

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[-] 2 points by bensdad (8977) 2 years ago

Although ALEC just lost Pepsi, Coke, Kraft - thay are too big to fail
And even if the lost 90% of their companies, koch can sneeze up the balance


BUT
Thanks to OWS and the flood of recent PR and zimmerman -
the stench of alec is becoming much more conspicuous
and hopefully reveal cheristies stench as well


If you think you know America’s biggest threat,
..Koch ?
….Norquist ?
……Iran ?
………Boehner ?
………...McConnell ?
……………Murdoch ?

you are wrong –
……spend ten minutes with each of these


American Legislative Exchange Council

http://www.alecexposed.org/wiki/ALEC_Exposed
http://www.alecwatch.org/
http://www.thenation.com/article/161973/alec-exposed-koch-connection
http://www.americablog.com/2012/03/whos-behind-nras-stand-your-ground.html


.............................................BE AFRAID – VERY AFRAID


And FYI – They are doing everything they can do to create
a new constitutional convention [Article V Convention]
that can propose virtually anything:
All public schools – privatized
All medicare/Medicaid/SocialSecurity – privatized
No cap gains tax
EPA - gone No inheritance tax
Tell me – what else do you think an Article V Convention could do?

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

Like most (R)epelican'ts, Christie is bran and brain lazy.

He's much too busy figuring out what to eat next, to actually write his own legislation.

[-] 2 points by GirlFriday (17435) 2 years ago

Christie is a bonafide putz.

[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

As is any representative that accepts ALEC legislation.

[-] 2 points by GirlFriday (17435) 2 years ago

Agreed.

[-] 0 points by JoeTheFarmer (2654) 2 years ago

The examples they use in the article a great ideas. Who cares where they came from. The example they use in the article, measuring teacher performance, is a great idea. I have a performance rating every year at my job. Teachers are doing one of the most important jobs and not measuring their performance is a crime.

Some of the members of ALEC are the largest employers in NJ, Johnson and Johnson, Merck, Pfizer, Verizon, Honeywell, and AT&T are headquartered in NJ and employ tens of thousands of NJ residents. Why would you not want to work with them?

Chris Christie is the best than that has happened to NJ in decades. He is certainly better than that criminal John Corzine that "lost" over a billion dollars of investors money. Christie balanced the budget without borrowing from the pension system and floating more bonds. Yes he made some cuts but they were across the board in every department.

Christie says what he believes and from what I have seen is a man of great integrity. He gets attacked from both sides from the unions when he pushed for them to contribute a mere three percent to their benefits. His response was great: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PkuTm-ON904

He was also attacked when he appointed a Muslim to the NJ Court. His response was great : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y83z552NJaw

As for the second article, NJ does not have a stand your ground law. New Jersey Statutes 2C:3-4 states the you must "retreat required if actor knows he can avoid necessity of deadly force in complete safety, etc. EXCEPT not obliged to retreat from dwelling, unless the initial aggressor"

[-] 3 points by GirlFriday (17435) 2 years ago

You: The examples they use in the article a great ideas. Who cares where they came from.

Me: We did this some three or four months ago. My stance has not changed. Corporations are out for their own interests and do not represent the people. Period. Therefore, they should not legislate.

You: The example they use in the article, measuring teacher performance, is a great idea. I have a performance rating every year at my job. Teachers are doing one of the most important jobs and not measuring their performance is a crime.

Me: It isn't a question of evaluation it has more to do with tying it to standardized testing. More specifically, standardized testing is designed to fail the schools and teachers and students in the name of the testing company and faux privatization.

You: Some of the members of ALEC are the largest employers in NJ, Johnson and Johnson, Merck, Pfizer, Verizon, Honeywell, and AT&T are headquartered in NJ and employ tens of thousands of NJ residents. Why would you not want to work with them?

Me: lolwut? Again. Corporations are out for their own interests and do not represent the people. Period. Therefore, they should not legislate.

You: Chris Christie is the best than that has happened to NJ in decades. He is certainly better than that criminal John Corzine that "lost" over a billion dollars of investors money. Christie balanced the budget without borrowing from the pension system and floating more bonds. Yes he made some cuts but they were across the board in every department.

Me: Christie is a douchebag. Corzine is a douchebag. Like I said, we did this several months ago. In fact, we discussed how far back the cash problems went back. Corzine has no relevance here.

You: Christie says what he believes and from what I have seen is a man of great integrity. He gets attacked from both sides from the unions when he pushed for them to contribute a mere three percent to their benefits. His response was great: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PkuTm-ON904

Me: They were already paying. This is something that you continuously overlook. So, pay freeze and to pay more and lose bargaining rights.

You: As for the second article, NJ does not have a stand your ground law. New Jersey Statutes 2C:3-4 states the you must "retreat required if actor knows he can avoid necessity of deadly force in complete safety, etc. EXCEPT not obliged to retreat from dwelling, unless the initial aggressor"

Me: That wasn't an article. That was two responses to the article. But, let's have a look at what the guy actually wrote: An example is Gov. Chris Christie loosening environmental regulations in favor of business. Sometimes kids lose when corporations earn money by operating charter schools. In extreme cases, if ALEC wins, you can even lose your life. This happens when ALEC pushes NRA laws such as “Stand Your Ground.”

yeah....

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (22334) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

You are always in good form - I like it!

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 2 years ago

Thank you! :D

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (22334) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Thank You!

[-] 1 points by JoeTheFarmer (2654) 2 years ago

I don't care if corporations make a profit if they are doing a better job educating children at a rate that is at or below the public per pupil rate in their district.

I think you need testing to see how children are progressing. If students are improving you are doing a good job. If they are not you need to be able to explain why. I know every kid is different. I worked in special ed for 10 years,

That said, the current practice of pushing kids along and graduating kids that cannot read has to stop.

Teachers in NJ did not pay a portion of their benefits. As I said, I worked in a school for 10 years. My wife is a music therapist in a school system. My mother was a teacher, my sister is a teacher, many of my friends are teachers. Anyone I know who has a spouse that is a teacher refuses their corporate benefits at work in favor of putting the family on their school system employee spouse.

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