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Forum Post: So you think religious crazies are only in America & Arab countries?

Posted 2 years ago on Sept. 16, 2012, 11:57 a.m. EST by bensdad (8977)
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[-] 1 points by WSmith (1377) from Cornelius, OR 2 years ago

Let's make/mandate religion personal, like masturbation.

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[-] 1 points by Karlin (350) from Nelson, BC 2 years ago

Ya, "went to sleep with a smile on his face" reminds me of a famous Quote: “There are two ways to sleep well at night - Be ignorant or be prepared.”

I dare say the smiling fool was ignorant, the parable saying nothing of being prepared.

One more, which could apply to religion: "Man prefers to believe what he prefers to be true". — Francis Bacon

[-] 1 points by JesseHeffran (3903) 2 years ago

That's cute. But i look at your parable, and compare it to my life, and think, what a boring existence to believe you know ultimate Truth and never have to ponder if you are wrong.

I mean, what would be the point of a brain if everything was given to you in one easy format, the Bible.

Maybe that's is why religious people have all the free time for entertainment gossip, shopping sprees and football games, they already got it all figured out. Give me the dirt so I can be entertained.

[-] 1 points by throaway (57) 2 years ago

Uh, the only :"crazies" in USA are the atheirsts!

[-] 1 points by Karlin (350) from Nelson, BC 2 years ago

Welcome to OWS! We have all kinds here, we definately do not all agree with each other. Spelling is not extremely important either and in fact that spelling sparks some ideas like "thirsty for no gods".

Anyway, I am a proud atheist, and a little crazy, but from Canada. Whats your religion?

We are the 99% - every one of us except the 1% wealthy elites belongs here, and if the 1% wants economic justice for all, they are welcome too.

[-] 1 points by NVPHIL (664) 2 years ago

What's crazy about not believing in magic without proof.

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[-] 1 points by yobstreet (-575) 2 years ago

Could you expound on that?

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[-] 0 points by yobstreet (-575) 2 years ago

National politics by any label has been a long slow slide for as long as I can remember; I'm more interested in your view of... well, just about anything.

Really stupid question; I have no idea where he was going with this...

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[-] 1 points by yobstreet (-575) 2 years ago

Nah, I didn't really want to hear all that. I see enlightenment more as the product of an intellectual quest, it doesn't necessarily have to be of a mystical or spiritual nature, but while we're here - at what point does contemplation or exploration of the mystical become "spiritual"?

I think it's fair to say that the direction of much of our science is still guided by this ingrained perspective that is certainly Christian in origin; in fact, it directs much of science worldwide.

I hear ya, every word, I really do... and I understand it, but...

"you won't have a whole lot of time off from introspection and self examination - certainly not enough time to contemplate the sins of others with any great depth or clarity" (?)

Wouldn't the opposite also be true? Do those so heavily focused on criticism ever take time to examine themselves? And if not, why not...

[-] 2 points by JesseHeffran (3903) 2 years ago

To be able to faithfully and honestly criticize others, wouldn't you have to do some deep soul searching of your own?

I believe most people live by the "live and let live" mantra because they themselves have not searched their soul enough to honestly have an opinion about other people's actions.

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[-] 2 points by JesseHeffran (3903) 2 years ago

So being enlightened is not having an opinion? well, if that be the case, enlightenment sounds a lot like political correctness. How else is someone supposed to grow if no one ever calls their bull shit?

No, "live and let live" mantra is for those who don't know how best to live themselves so can't have an opinion about those around them.

I hope you don't keep yourself unchallenged by gravitating to those who agree with you and see the world as you do. Being challenged is the best way to enlightenment, or so I believe, and if everyone is allowing me to live and only expecting to be left alone, then how do we ever challenge one another and grow?

Now, I am only speaking about verbally challenging someone, I ain't about physically challenging someone's beliefs. Gravitating and socializing with those who only see the world as I do, I'd say, leads to the echo chambers that are destroying our union.

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[-] 1 points by JesseHeffran (3903) 2 years ago

I see, that makes sense

[-] 1 points by yobstreet (-575) 2 years ago

Actually I think most people are far too critical of others... and without circumspection with which to create a vantage point, we tend to be very inconsistent in our philosophy.

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[-] 1 points by yobstreet (-575) 2 years ago

Well, first... Although dictionaries often do this, I don't believe it's appropriate to define a noun through the use of its root. The suffix 'ment' here - in "enlightenment" - implies some state achieved through specific action. In other words, I see the definition of "to be enlightened" as a cop out by those who haven't a clue - they not only do not understand the verb, or the adjective, they also do not understand the resultant state.

But we really can't discus enlightenment until we agree on definition.

I have no idea what you're saying in the last few sentences but I get the impression you are implying that experimental science has tended to encroach upon religious belief; personally I do not find that to be the case - current science very much supports the presence of "supernatural" as that which exists outside all known laws of physics in such a manner that no algorithm as a means of deciphering is remotely possible, so... of course, we're not just talking semantics here - there is significant difference between what we view as natural forces and our Christian God. But on the overall scale of things, I'm not certain it makes any difference whatsoever; more truthfully, I'm quite certain that it doesn't.

Nor does any of this change the fact that we are so inconsistent in philosophy that I have begun to question whether a coherent rationale is even possible.

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[-] 1 points by yobstreet (-575) 2 years ago

Well now wait a minute there, big dog... I don't generally leap to conclusions; and it's not necessary to belittle people who ask questions.

The definition provided above indicates the possibility of enlightenment as either a personal, spiritual experience, or as a purely intellectual endeavor.

While this may be true it does not define this "process" or the resultant state; I ask again, what is enlightenment?

Is it to discover that we are deficient; is it truth revealed through self examination? Or is this just line 2 of definition? Or, is it inappropriate entirely - may some other word here offer more succinct description in reference to "maladaptive"?

Do nouns not describe? What is enlightenment?

I asked at what point does premonition entertained in mystical form - creative imaginary exploration, but why, how so, and what for - become "spiritual" - two different words; to examine you must again first wrap yourself around definition.

Funny but it never occurred to me that I should first examine your "join date" but I suppose, that is in fact very relevant.

Would not morality itself require enlightenment; what is "morality"?

Can I justify anything? I think human beings in general are all capable of justification as a means of self defense; that justification can lead us all down the slippery slope... And that's why the the Wisemen and Spirit Chiefs have always been so highly esteemed.

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[-] 1 points by yobstreet (-575) 2 years ago

My decision was to attempt to educate you, Zen.

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[-] 0 points by yobstreet (-575) 2 years ago

If you were impervious you wouldn't be here, big dog.

[-] -2 points by roboProg (-56) 2 years ago

78 protesters at the ows anniversary today in NY, that is quite impressive

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[-] 0 points by Orwellwuzright (-84) from Lockeford, CA 2 years ago

Enlightenment.....

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